When you hear that there are 725 new laws in California this year, I mean why?

And cops, they use to protect and serve, now it harrass and control.

When I got my first speeding ticket, the judge said $10 and I paid $10. My last ticket was $360 and now they even charge you for fix it tickets?

Protect and serve is a another lie now.

When I was a kid and anybody got caught drunk driving, they would give you a ride and made sure you GOT HOME SAFE. As in protect and serve. There was no taking you downtown to jail. Harass and control you're right.
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Vendzilla I have always respected your views even though I disagree with them most of the time and I have always shown you respect but that image is the stupidest F'ing thing I have ever seen you post and the follow up comments between you and buzzard only add to my incredulity.

The Tea Party is not fighting for freedom, they are delusional thinking their country has been taken away from them and erroneously believe it is due to out of control government spending and 'entitlement' programs. At the same time voicing the need for less regulation of industry and less taxes. The fact is that those who get meat of the tax breaks are corporations and multi-millionaires while the people are tossed a bone and spun to think it's steak... steak that liberals are trying to steal from them.

What makes it even worse and less forgivable is these very same activist are working hard against their own best interest. It is sad and pathetic to witness some elderly gentleman or woman screaming about the wastefulness of government spending and socialism while carrying a sign that says 'they' better keep their hands off the old gentleman's social security.

There is a distinct talent that the right shows on presenting it's spin to a country of uninformed, flag waving, patriotic people that gets them riled up. Yes the right can win the war of the words and have done so spectacularly for a couple of years now. But the Tea Party is not fighting for freedom, they are ignorantly fighting for a continuation of the status quo and a deepening of the American plutocracy. :2 cents:

thanks for reading

It's not about the pic or the Tea Party. It's not about the bow downs and the suck ups.

It's about following the constitution.

with respect, IMHO it is not about the constitution at all, but corporate sponsorship of our government. It is no longer a government of, by and for the people but one that will continually be more and more paid for by the true 'special interests' in the background. The Tea Party means well, all these activists on both sides means well. However they are under some strange delusion that somehow we will return to whatever sense of normality they think the 'real America' should be. There is no turning back without dramatic political change and the fact of the matter (as I see it) is the days of dramatic political change is long gone.

I now equate all politicians ( well with a few exceptions I am sure) as sponsored drama queens. We seem to relish loud mouthed, angry, sound bite spouting idiots that have no respect what so ever for the public they claim to serve. So that is exactly what they are giving us, massively partisan political theater sponsored by Coke. I think that the politicians should be required to wear NASCAR style fire-suits so we can see the logos of the corporate sponsors and root for our favorite ones.

You and I are probably on opposite ends of the political spectrum and even though I positively drip Liberalism and think Bernie Sanders is AWESOME (what up) I can respect that there are people out there that can be both in disagreement with me and be correct and the onus is on me to take the time and weigh those opinions to see if there is truth in them. Congress cannot seem to do that and it dooms this society to decline.

So while saying that it is about the constitution sounds pleasant and something we can all wrap our arms around the facts are the constitution lays out a standard but it is the issues not specifically listed in it but under governmental powers that is the source of debate.

If this is true, why on earth would anyone want the government to spend more and become larger? :helpme :error

I dont know if I am outside the liberal norm but I do not necessarily want the government to spend more more. I want them to spend it much more wisely. To create and enforce strict regulations, to prosecute fraud, to investigate waste and to meet the needs of the population so that the tax dollars that are spent are spent in the best possible way to benefit the populace of the United States. Their stewardship of our society is so incredibly lacking it is shocking. If however they eliminate as much waste as possible and there are still needs the government should meet for the society as a whole then yeah, I am for raising taxes.

Is any of that probable.... heh heh no. I dont know if there is going to be a crash here, I suspect our standards will drop to the point of having only two real classes, a caste system effectively but that the majority wont even notice as they work harder, get paid less, go into debt and their health declines with braying elite regurgitating repeatedly how we are the greatest country on earth

wow. enlightening viewpoint from the bottom.

You Douche-Bagger idiots are as pathetic and self-destructive as morons can be!

http://themetapicture.com/media/funn...rporations.jpg

Hi, we hate black people!

We watch Fox Noise, and now we're scared!

Beep if you're an idiot!

That damned black Socialist president wants to take away our Social Security!

WE ARE FUCKING STUPID!

you do realize they are beating you, right? while you are complaining about them on an adult message board, they are actively wining elections and, like it or not/right or wrong, making a difference in government.

You're not reading what I wrote with an open mind, All thru history, it's been fanatical liberal protesters, protesting the war, protesting the killing of baby seals, owls in the forest, what every they could get their heads around for a cause. Clubs like Green Peace, the Sierra Club, even the Black Panthers.
The very idea of a large protest has always been a liberal affair.
Then comes in the Tea Party, completely NOT liberal, they are conservative, they have a right to protest, they want as a core, less government spending. Yes other groups are trying to get their voice heard in their, I mean they have a lot of power because of pure numbers and area they cover. But they were heard last November and unless they give up
I see them growing, especially after seeing what the GOP and the Democrats just did with the budget with their unwillingness to make hard choices when everyone is talking about process instead of substance. Deficit targets and triggers are process. Spending cuts and tax increases are substance.
What I perceive with our government as being a problem, may be different that you're perception, but you can't argue that the Tea Party is a substantial force in just numbers and resolve, calling them Racist or under the control of the corporate world is just a lame attempt by those that are scared it them. They are doing exactly what this country was formed to do. Voice your concerns about the way our government represents us, I'm sorry if you think thats wrong. I'm here to tell you that we need to have a voice or idiots like Barry will just continue to spend in an unchecked manor, he would have signed any debt ceiling bill as long as it gave enough to run the country till after his reelection bid, he didn't care about anything else, or he would have made it public.


Open mouth, recite MSNBC, come on, putting everyone in a group based on political belief is prejudice

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Good post!


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In 2010 idiotic Americans voted them in.

In 2012 awakened Americans will be voting them out!

Their numbers will not be getting any bigger.

You're fairly clueless on this topic.
We spend over a trillion dollars more than we bring in.
No amount of taxation will bring in a trillion dollars a year.
Intelligent people know that. The rest badmouth the tea party.

(Emphasis added by me)
What I highlighted there is exactly where we diverge. Yes I think that the tea party has every right... no, an obligation to protest their government for what they see as wrong regardless of which side of the political fence they are on. It strengthens our society, civilized debate strengthens our society.

Yes I agree that the tea party has had a huge impact on the political landscape of the US, are you happy with the outcome? Completely fractured, crippled political system with the minority..................THE MINORITY...........refusing to negotiate with the majority leader in the Senate. Be realistic, the tea party may have had a huge impact on our political system but it has had a HORRIBLE effect on Washington. I thought it could not get worse but it did. I believe there will be a backlash to the tea party's influence which is directly contradictory to what you believe with happen, time will tell.

But I digress...

The tea party has been proven to be about as grassroots as I am thin (I'm not BTW). There have been so many ties to huge corporate interest backing their 'movement' that it is quite obvious that they are being manipulated. It is incredibly easy to control your average American, non-politically savvy citizen and they have been played like a harp. Here is how;

Be afraid, everyone hates us because we are AWESOME (what up!) *how I met your mother*

You pay too much taxes, take your money back it's all YOURS!!

Pay no attention to pollution... its good for you and so hard to understand. No seriously there are graphs and shit

Banks are bad, evil things that rape kitty cats and will steal your bag lunch... but regulation of any kind is far far worse.. no seriously take my word for it

No one should get a penny of money from you, fuck the elderly, sick, poor and disabled. It is Darwinism baby, survival of the fittest

Capitalism is just super duper keen to the max and we hate socialism and anything we disagree with, all of the above... yup, socialism. you dont wanna be a commie do you?

Tea Party member's tend to be or seem to be completely ignorant to what is in their best interest. They hate socialism without even understanding the concept and holding their arthritic knuckles wrapped around their social security checks. Young ones demand deregulation because they mistakenly think that will cure unemployment, they demand that unemployment compensation be cut and that the free market runs health care. They are one pink slip away from absolutely relying on 'socialistic' programs to save their asses. They are so self centered, uneducated and selfish they cannot see past their own pay studs. There is a thing called the common good and they completely ignore it and show their political immaturity by getting the most inane, belligerent no nothings elected and then convince themselves of whatever spin is puked out towards them.

You are right, the tea party has had a dramatic impact on our political system and we, as a society, completely deserve everything we get as a result. I am sorry I have seen the beginning of our decline. We were once a country of lofty ideals with a love of integrity and the respect of the world. The political circus that is the American plutocracy has made us either the target of scorn or a laughing stock worldwide. I wish we could return to our former glory but with ridiculous influences we have now and for the foreseeable future it is not going to happen.

You're wrong on both counts. I know what I am talking about, just because I disagree with you does not make me clueless. you're attitude and the millions of Americans that share it are a huge part of the problem. Note I said attitude and not views.

I never said any amount of taxation would bring in a trillion dollars a year did I?

I would guess I am at least as intelligent as you are. Although I have not seen much evidence of yours, at least not in any contribution you have ever made to a political discussion here

Where do the teabaggers stand on Internet porn?

Serious question ... AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER?

No porn for you! At least if Michele Bachmann has anything to say about it. The GOP congresswoman is the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge that calls for banning all forms of pornography and gay marriage. It also requires fidelity between spouses.

Story continues here...

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dai...rn-no-cheating

Really LOL, so why are they being defended on an adult webmaster board?

I'll answer — they like the nasty pictures ....

I'm telling Sarah and Michelle ... I'm telling Sarah and Michelle ... I'm telling Sarah and Michelle ...

The depth of hypocrisy on the right is so fucking absurd, it is now truly debilitating.

A herd of sheep, led by corporate interests, trained to continuously vote against their very own interests.

Fucking pathetic!

this Quote may seem a little extreme, but it's what I thought about reading your concern about what the Tea Party has done to the political environment. Because the same was thought of when Ross Perot ran for president.

The tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


As more and more people see what our government is doing to the US, they will reach out in concern, the Tea Party offers help for those that are not happy, they get corporate money, doesn't mean they run it, there are over 2600 tea party groups if I remember right

Most people that are right leaning that are business men would disagree with you. Thinking that the left has your back as pornographers, thats the real pathetic statement.
When the economy is doing badly, it hurts our buiness, when it's doing well, it helps, simple math.
Some freedoms could be taken away from us, like the second and third signing of the patriot act by Obama

You are an idiot.

Said the man who owes his career to janet reno lol

which 2 counts am I wrong on again, sparky?

It's nice to see you continually have a shear lack of imagination or comprehension and continue on your vacuous attempt to insult someone.


I love it when you add a lol at the end of an insult that clearly you're the only one that gets due to lack of explanation, sally forth young keyboard warrior and continue on your quest to bring enlightenment to those that have no guidance but to read verbatim the democratic logs!

The DJ is tanking and the dollar is rising what's the skinny to blame Obama now?

well champ, they would be;

1) I am not clueless. I simply hold a different point of view than you. Your assumption that I am clueless because I disagree with you is kind of ....well... ignorant

2) I never said raising taxes would generate a trillion in revenue a year as you implied I had.

No disagreement with me here. Most business people that are right leaning believe the conservatives have their best interest in mind. As a matter of fact the bigger the business the more back they have. I am more concerned with the non-business owners. The majority of Americans who work for those businessmen that are getting more and more fucked and are too blind to see the source
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe, but I think the left has proven two things;
1) They could not muster enough party unity to open a bottle of wine at a washington mixer
2) They are committed (I mean as much as they are capable of being committed to anything what with having the spines of a jellyfish) to the first amendment
that just stands to reason
Of course, but then again freedoms are like currency, they can be given and taken away on a whim. It is a much bigger concern when our rights are taken away. Something the Patriot Act accomplished... I think this is something we have agreed upon in the past :)

It is funny and not an insult you dont know your porn history. to lean right and work in adult is like a jew for the nazi party. Janet Reno saw going after adult porn as a waste of resources. If 911 didnt happen porn was going to job 1 for askcroft. Young? Im 47.Wait til the extreme right comes in and porn will be a big target. You can say leave me alone I defended you on a porn board.

The democrats have proven they are like herding cats, all the power they had for a year and focused it all on passing a law that over 50% in most polls want dissolved.
And during that time, the unemployment rate was shit, if that had more focus, maybe more people would be working and more people paying taxes and the government wouldn't been having this shortage of money?

I am a liberal, not a democrat. The party of the ass has done absolutely nothing with the power the American people gave them. I bet I could win a war with you in showing disgust towards their party and their leadership :1orglaugh:1orglaugh see what I did there? I implied leadership in the same sentence as the democrats!

I crack me up

Only as old as you feel, I'm fifty and feel about 25 sometimes, except in the morning sometimes.

And as far as Janet Reno, who's to say? You're using conjecture, not fact.

Most politicans go after porn for brownie points, fact is it would take a major shift in the morals of the comon man to shut down porn. So they make points by giving the porn industry rules like 2257.

Sort of like the same thing with guns in the US, did you know there are 20,000 gun laws in the US, this is how they get brownie points, when it really doesn't do shit to protect you from people that shouldn't have guns or have the illegally.

I use to be a true thru and thru Republican, then the party changed and so did I.
I think the disgust in both parties is pretty bad, no true leaders in a very long time

You are right about as old as you feel my friend. Back back to janet IM using fact
:http://www.moralityinmedia.org/full_...article_no=171 (not liberals)
Our efforts were to no avail. During the first six years of the Clinton administration, federal obscenity law enforcement declined by over eighty percent. In fiscal year 1997, there were only six prosecutions in which the lead charge was a violation of federal obscenity laws. In fiscal year 1998, the number was eight.

Worse yet, to our knowledge, there have been NO prosecutions initiated against major interstate distributors of hardcore pornography in several years.

But more than any other factor, his failure to fulfill his 1992 obscenity campaign pledge can be traced to his appointment of Janet Reno as Attorney General, because when Reno was the Miami State Attorney, she refused to vigorously enforce the obscenity law, despite the fact that Miami was awash in hardcore porn.

In her article, "You wouldn't know it, but porn is illegal: Prosecutions lagging during Clinton years" (Washington Times, 5 November 1998), Rachel A. Roemhildt wrote:

"Although sexually graphic material is easily found in magazines, videotapes and on the Internet, what most people don't know is that much of it is against the law...During Mr. Clinton's first term, however, prosecutions for obscenity plummeted. While Janet Reno fights 'kiddie porn,' on the Internet, the adult hard-core and illegal porn is left unprosecuted. Justice Department spokesman John Russell said the emphasis is on child exploitation 'because Attorney General Janet Reno wants it there. That is where our money and manpower are directed.' "

learn your history.

I've been in the business for long enough to know the history, I live in california where it's legal