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SmokeyTheBear 07-11-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by alias (Post 18273960)
This was linked from that article, pretty intredasting: http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/0...-are-paranoid/

i love when they use faulty studies to justify legislation .. :)

The very first key the study is faulty is ", they used a marijuana-like drug to"

so if i was trying to argue "apples" caused paranoia , a faulty study would be me using "oranges" to test with and call it "apple like"

In a nutshell they basically are saying marijuana made rats more scared of being shocked.. hello.. the rats had a justifiable reason to be scared.. they were being electrocuted.. If anything the study shows marijuana HELPED them be MORE aware of a truly scary event.

This is just another study to perpetuate silly myths.. like smoking marijuana lowers sperm count.. even if lets say we could prove beyond a doubt marijuana does lower sperm count. Physical evidence says it is not a concern.. i.e. hippies don't seem to have any problems having children.. infact quite the opposite.

Fletch XXX 07-11-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by amateurbfs (Post 18274298)
Robbie you got it all wrong. Growing great weed isn't as simple as just popping a seed in the ground and then waiting to get baked some day in the near future.

Also, you can grow your own tomatoes but I bet you just buy them. They could very easily tax it. Lobbyists are what help keep it illegal. There is too much industry against it.. Pharmaceutical companies, corn refiners, paper industry and even places like Dupont need to keep marijuana illegal.

Yes there is a difference between growing weed, and growing *good* weed.

It's the difference between an unripened tomato from the store, or a ripened on the vine organic tomato. Depends on how it is grown.

Haven't you ever smoked an outdoor grow? vs. hydro.... the bugs eat the thc crystals, but it still works. just not as juicy and ripe. :)

and tomatoes grow wild too... there are wild cherry tomatoes growing in my yard now, I didn't even plant. They might taste good, too. fuck im gonna eat some lolz

drmadcat 07-11-2011 11:12 AM

the first time i tried weed was in florida when i was working there
to get weed in america and Australia is just like going to the corner shop very easy
so why ban it its just crazy

blackmonsters 07-11-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18274197)
When I was a teenager in the 1970's pot seemed very close to being legalized back then. But I can remember my parents discussions about it...and they always said it wouldn't be legal because the govt. could NOT tax it. Everybody would just grow their own.

Everybody would just grow their own pot on the same day that everybody churns
their own butter from a cartoon of milk and brews their own beer in the basement.

:1orglaugh


There is one thing that business can always count on in America : Lazy consumers.


Saying that everyone will grow their own is like saying that everyone will do their
own website programming. I mean everything needed is here : w3schools.com

Look how that one worked out.

Socks 07-11-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18274185)
It's as stupid as the govt. investigating steroids in baseball. What a goddamn joke.

lol yeah, they're very serious about the "integrity" of the game..

COUGH, LAUGH, COUGH.. Ugh I just drank some bongwater.. :Oh crap

just a punk 07-11-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18273911)
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) ruled on Friday that marijuana has "no accepted medical use" and should therefore remain illegal under federal law ? regardless of conflicting state legislation allowing medical marijuana and despite hundreds of studies and centuries of medical practice attesting to the drug's benefits.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/1...#ixzz1RoJKFdKJ

A very good decision. Can somebody tell me why narcotics should be legal? Marijuana is for junkies so why this news should bother normal people?

marketsmart 07-11-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18274428)
A very good decision. Can somebody tell me why narcotics should be legal? Marijuana is for junkies so why this news should bother normal people?

i bet you'd understand/relate better if they made sucking cock illegal... :thumbsup





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Robbie 07-11-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18274391)
Everybody would just grow their own pot on the same day that everybody churns
their own butter from a cartoon of milk and brews their own beer in the basement.

Maybe. I know that when I was in highschool, me and all my little hoodlum buddies all grew our own (I lived in Florida)...I had it easy because my dad owned thousands of acres of orange groves and I would just go out to a pond in the middle of one of the groves and grow plants right there hidden in the bushes beside the pond.

Of course by the time I went to college, all my friends were more interested in the fact that my dad also had several thousand acres of ranch land with cattle. So we lost interest in pot and started picking 'shrooms instead and making tea all through college. lol

But anyway...back then (and probably because it was Florida and the weather was perfect for it) most everybody I knew grew their own. I still remember all the different "types": Sensemilla, Columbian Gold, Panama Red, etc.
I stopped smoking it after highschool. But a buddy gave me a hit off some of his California grown stuff a few weeks ago and WOW! That shit knocked me for a loop!

Here in Nevada it's a "grow your own state" if you have a medical card. I don't know the specifics, but I think they allow you to grow 1 or 2 adult plants and 1 or 2 juvenile plants simultaneously.
Unfortunately (like most states) there is a dumb twist to the law.
Yes, it's legal to grow here...but SEEDS are illegal! :1orglaugh

just a punk 07-11-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 18274459)
i bet you'd understand/relate better if they made sucking cock illegal... :thumbsup

Hmm, I don't think any SANE country can forbid ladies to suck my penis. At least in my county it's not forbidden. However as far as I know, if in some US state(s) some girl will suck my cock it will be considered as a sodomy. Barbarians :2 cents:

campimp 07-11-2011 02:06 PM

if the idiots in power would just legalize marijuana, regulate online poker, and tax both, this country could quickly work down the debt that is drowning us

D Ghost 07-11-2011 02:09 PM

Wow, even though millions can testify that it does?

The Porn Nerd 07-11-2011 02:09 PM

Robbie, you should write a book, man. Serious.

Come to NYC, I'll blow your mind with some kind bud. :)

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iwantchixx 07-11-2011 02:32 PM

You cant patent soemthing that grows in nature.

You CAN genetically modify the plant to be able to patent it.

There are too many people around with their own strains. The government would have to spend countless resources taxing all the different head shops. Not profitable enough. Other option is the government growing and selling the weed through large contractors. They would have to make it illegal for anyone not to buy, sell or grow non-approved strains. The food industry in the US and Canada works this way. Only government approved genetic strains are allowed to be sold, bought and exchanged on market.

In today's watchful eye and the internet age it would not be able to be implemented without a huge uproar.

Thus allowing Marijuana to be legal and a taxable commodity is way too much bother for them to allow. You'll never see US or Canada like Amsterdam, however, you will someday soon see it being legal to poses within reasons and that's as far as it will ever go.

digitaldivas 07-11-2011 04:53 PM

Up to 1 ounce of personal use is legal in the city of Denver :thumbsup We also have the first cannabis restaurant in the U.S.

For a city of 4 million people, we also have the lowest crime rate of any major city in the U.S. In short, Legalization works! :pimp

IllTestYourGirls 07-11-2011 05:04 PM

This is why arguments like "legalize this for xyz reason" do not work out. Does the government have the right to say what goes into your body, watch on the internet, or who you can marry? If the answer is yes, then you are not free but a slave that sways with the wishes of a master.

icymelon 07-11-2011 05:20 PM

bottom line is whiskey is worse than MJ. I should know i drink too much jack daniels. why not make whiskey illegal. its silly

BFT3K 07-11-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by icymelon (Post 18275125)
bottom line is whiskey is worse than MJ. I should know i drink too much jack daniels. why not make whiskey illegal. its silly

Case in point - straight from today's headlines...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...html?tag=stack

munki 07-11-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 18274211)
The DEA is just like OSHA, trying to justify its budget and its existence.:2 cents:

qft :helpme:helpme

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18274261)
99% of the Big Pharma drugs don't "cure" anything either.

That wasn't my question, nice side step though.

If it doesn't cure anything but only relieves pain and suffering. Given the enormous furore that would result from legalising it, I can see why they decided this way.

I know it sucks, but Governments should react to public pressure don't they?

Word I used was should, not do.

V_RocKs 07-12-2011 02:47 AM

I am always a bit surprised when I meet new pot smokers.

For instance: I go to a huge softball tournament for girls aged 8 to 18 years old. My daughter is 16 at the time. I go around this hill to take a piss and there is the commissioner of her league, four of the best (winning-est) coaches the league has ever known and several other people from the board of directors. All smoking a big fat doobie!

Another time: At work and I am walking out to my car after a shift. It looks like someone is welding on the other side of a van and it peaks my curiosity so I investigate. Round the front of the van and there stands several employees of the company. A shop manager, church decon, clown of the company, one of the hardest workers, one of the most senior employees and the biggest bitch of a woman I had ever known (up until that point).

Go to play poker: The group is a bunch of well off individuals. Business owners... I go to the backyard during the break and get handed the pipe from some guy that had to be 70... Out of 28 people playing that night 24 of them were out there passing several pipes...

You just never know.

V_RocKs 07-12-2011 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 18274825)
You cant patent soemthing that grows in nature.

You CAN genetically modify the plant to be able to patent it.

There are too many people around with their own strains. The government would have to spend countless resources taxing all the different head shops. Not profitable enough. Other option is the government growing and selling the weed through large contractors. They would have to make it illegal for anyone not to buy, sell or grow non-approved strains. The food industry in the US and Canada works this way. Only government approved genetic strains are allowed to be sold, bought and exchanged on market.

In today's watchful eye and the internet age it would not be able to be implemented without a huge uproar.

Thus allowing Marijuana to be legal and a taxable commodity is way too much bother for them to allow. You'll never see US or Canada like Amsterdam, however, you will someday soon see it being legal to poses within reasons and that's as far as it will ever go.

Not completely true...

You can patent the process of extraction and the final product. Acai berries is a good example... Finding something new is difficult, but when someone finds it, they make a killing off of it.

Theo 07-12-2011 04:01 AM

hypocrisy

The Duck 07-12-2011 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274134)
Does Marijuana cure medical problems or just relieve pain and suffering?

I think Marijuana should be legal, just posing a question.

I am not sure it cures anything by smoking but there are some reports and documentaries about pure THC oil being a possible cancer suppressor or cure. Google 'run from the cure'.

BFT3K 07-12-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275531)
That wasn't my question, nice side step though.

If it doesn't cure anything but only relieves pain and suffering. Given the enormous furore that would result from legalising it, I can see why they decided this way.

I know it sucks, but Governments should react to public pressure don't they?

Word I used was should, not do.

I'm not arguing with you at all, but it WAS EXACTLY your question...

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274134)
Does Marijuana cure medical problems or just relieve pain and suffering?

to which I replied that MOST LEGAL pharmaceuticals do NOT CURE anything either. They just offer temporary relief, so you can stay on the hook.

There is no profit in "cures".

blackmonsters 07-12-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275531)
That wasn't my question, nice side step though.

If it doesn't cure anything but only relieves pain and suffering. Given the enormous furore that would result from legalising it, I can see why they decided this way.

I know it sucks, but Governments should react to public pressure don't they?

Word I used was should, not do.

Ahh, that's not a decent argument.

Cigarettes don't cure anything either, but you can buy all you want.

:2 cents:

They say "it ruins lives"; but the pot smoker's life is not ruined until they are
arrested. So they are ruining lives to stop the life from being ruined.

The reason there is crime associated with pot is because we made it criminal.
But watch people blame crime on the substance when in fact we are the ones
that made the substance the crime.

We created a situation where only criminals are willing to sell it, yet we wonder
why there is crime. :1orglaugh

halfpint 07-12-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 18275773)
hypocrisy

The whole god dam forsaken world thrives off hypocrisy

Robbie 07-12-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18276242)
They say "it ruins lives"; but the pot smoker's life is not ruined until they are
arrested. So they are ruining lives to stop the life from being ruined.

The reason there is crime associated with pot is because we made it criminal.
But watch people blame crime on the substance when in fact we are the ones
that made the substance the crime.

We created a situation where only criminals are willing to sell it, yet we wonder
why there is crime. :1orglaugh

And THAT is the entire thing in a nutshell.

Make it legal and all that "crime" goes away.
The border with Mexico becomes "safe".
Cop will actually have time to solve REAL crimes.
The prisons are no longer overcrowded.

It's absolutely no different than when alcohol prohibition was attempted. That little dumbass move created a giant organized criminal set up that lasts to this very day. There would have been no Al Capone, Bugsy Seigal, etc. and all those horrible shootouts, massacres, and gunfights if it weren't for the U.S. govt making alcohol "illegal".

Everytime the govt oversteps it's authority and tries to run people's lives it ALWAYS ends up badly.

adultchatpay 07-12-2011 11:06 AM

Weed is all natural!

halfpint 07-12-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by adultchatpay (Post 18276886)
Weed is all natural!

It used to be until they started to lace it with crushed glass over here in the UK


http://www.thepoorhouse.org.uk/beware_glass_grass


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