Then it's a stupid poll. But coming from you that's nothing new.

So just say you don't know.

clown. Why not just say you don't know?

As you're clueless about what was made in offline porn where are you getting your stats from? Come on, show us proof.

A lot of money was made in online porn, just not by you.

I did work out what the Internet was.we weren't going to risk the offline income to go for a paysite. Nice that you think I could of made millions with our content. OH fuck, I did.

And you have absolutely no clue how much we made, whether we live in a cottage, rented or owned. We all know you live in a dump, rented dump, look like an idiot with your pornbeer and a massive failure promoting your magic shows.

So Damian, what do you think your next career will be?

You keep ignoring me on this so here's a post all on it's own.

It seems a lot of people give a fuck. Should I post more pics and wind up more trolls?

A picture of hers on Men Only

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc28/th_...7_123_28lo.jpg

Don't remember her, but she's hot.

But I do remember this one. Fleur was hot and a lot of fun. The naughtiness in her eyes is what makes porn.

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http://paulmarkham.com/temp/oldscan08.jpg

Sorry about the quality of the scans.

Paul, you asked the question. I just wanted you to make it an official poll so you could see how no one but you thinks offline porn made more than online.

Because it's already been discussed here, several times. You've probably forgotten. Use the search function.

Stats? There are no public stats. You lied about getting some from Northern and Shell and then were too much of a pussy to admit that when I asked you to post the email you lied about with full headers. Again.Turning into a habit, isn't it? You lie, you get called on it, then you insult the person. :D

But you would have to be really painstakingly stupid to think before the internet porn made more money than after. Really really really stupid.

Did you forget then? Cos you don't have a fucking clue today. And really, internet stopped having a I about 10 years ago.

You tried lots of pay sites, they just all failed. Magic join links agogo. $5 sites. Astral-blue. LOL.

Where did it all go though Paul?

Now you live in a cottage you are too ashamed off to post a pic.

Sucks to be you :(

No wonder you're so bitter.

I can guess. You live in a small cottage, full of dreadfully tacky nicknacks. You dress like you shop in Lidl. You cannot afford decent kit. Your wife has to work a menial job.

Well post what your millions bought you Paul! Show us all what 35 years at the top of your game gets you in a village outside Brno. Man up for once. Let is all aspire to be as successful as YOU!

Post away. Let's see what all your millions bought you...

And here are a couple of videos of her.

Fleur 1

Fleur 2

Sorry about the quality, very old. But it's the way she delivers the scene that gets a guy going. Bit playing to the camera, that's normal, still her personality comes through and she delivers to the audience a personal scene.

Will see if I can find the scene of Fleur getting on on a vibrator.

Paul, you keep saying that the porn being produced today is crap.

Can you specifically point to any porn produced today that, in your opinion, is not crap? Please give links/examples.

I ask this because it's hard for me to see where you are coming from when you say current porn is crap, but have no examples to point to.

Good point.

www.alsscan.com & www./partyhardcore-trial.com & www.ben-dover.com & /www.evilangel.com (if you like high production stuff, were good last time I looked. As was www.perfectgonzo.com before they lost their shooter to Evil Angel.

I like FTV, Lady Sonia, some of Sapphics stuff and I'm sure there's more.

Brazzers has some good stuff in, I just feel let down that a company with, so we're told, power and money. Can't do a lot better. Some of their scenes I reviewed were good and some were bloody awful. Which was agreed by other shooters.

Nice looking asian woman that one.

You can add www.vivthomas.com to that list as well.

Today it's far tougher to produce great porn. The budgets are slim, many of the shooters lack real experience, models seem a lot more bolshy and very fake plus finding a new fresh one is tough and too much is churned out on a conveyor belt system.

Better cameras, don't equal better porn.

Most of those I quoted have a DVD income as well as online. However if online is the King of porn.

Why have so few online companies employed or partnered properly with these guys. Who has a stable of shooters like Evil Angel. Who employs an in house shooter of the level of Viv Thomas, Ben Dover, etc?

My experience talking to the biggest of programs is the moment is gets to content, they don't seem so rich. Cutting corners and costs seem to be the order of the day. Lensman once told me he thought $500 a shooting day for a shooter was a good wage. I told him for $500 a day he won't get a good shooter. They could then earn far more elsewhere.

We could earn far more than $500 a day, 5 days a week, so we were outside the budget of anyone I ever spoke to. And $500 a day is only $125,000 a year. By no means a good or even great income. Now all the trolls can jump in and tell me I didn't earn $50 a day. Not that they have a clue.

So, did it harm online porn is the question? I can think of many ways.

The problem is in the knowledge of online porn with porn itself. No one so far has answered my questions of the main income sources of a porn shop and a porn producer, prior to the Internet and even today.

And for the record, I'm no where near the level of the guys I named.

That's because you've posted that before and it has been discussed before and, essential, no one cares because the world is laughing so hard at you for actually trying to argue porn as an industry generated more money before the internet took off.

HTH

Your pal

Damian
x

PS I sometimes wish you were trolling when you post such stupid things, but I know you actually do think you're right. Hilarious.

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What will your next career be?

And just for the record, if there are no public stats. Why are you convinced online porn made more money? Not much of it flowed your way.

What was the BS about N&S about? You lying again or drunk?

You said you moved to Arundel. Is that a lie? Post a picture of your new place please.

Damian's street and living room, furnishings via the local tip, wardrobe by Oxfam.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/damianstreet.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/damianroom.jpg

For a man who knows so much about Internet Marketing, it hasn't paid you very well..

My street and living room

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http://paulmarkham.com/temp/jigsaw2.jpg

For a man who knows so little about the Internet, I seem to have done all right.

Damina, post a picture of your office with a written sign that says, "Paul Markham is a fool".

And I will post one of mine with the wording you choose. Let's see who has the nicer office. Street and living room, I'm 2 up on you.

Excluding micro jobs, such as working for a company, etc..

• Magazines - Full to part rights to secondary, etc.
• Rights based on type of material (slide, film, etc)
• Brokering models off.
• The start of hotel porn.
• Marketing material rights.
• Tape/DVD - Porn stores to trade shows to bulk in mags.
• Direct orders/mail orders, fax orders, etc.
• Cable Television/Satellite, from direct subscriptions to the start of VoD

Basically all stuff many companies continue to do today... normally managed by one staff member, and would also include online markets today.

I think a list of ways to make money is close enough, really no reason to bust out all the ways a store can make money when your products aren't part of those income streams. If they sold hot dogs, it's an income stream....

What's more important is that 'average' buyer in a porn store didn't make $80-$120 profit for the store... that's what paysites do. Hell even a magazine had to send out for YEARS to make that, at least 3 times longer than a paysite has to - just to make the same money.

Hell, only VoD was hundreds of millions in sales online... it was kinda cake to make $30k-$50k a month from just a few scenes - what did they have in the 80's that did that? TONS of us tapped into this, some made a little, many made a shit ton... that's before $100's - $1000's per 'scene' other sites pay - these still sell like this today.

Most of the list above is still used today, by many people in our Industry. But you have to stack them all together just to cover one staff member and the company make profit.

* thread can be closed now *

Because you'd have to have the brains of a potato to think otherwise.

Oh Paul, your memory really is going, isn't it?

Last time you went on this rant, I called you on it, and you lied about getting a email from N&S senior exec with their circulation. I asked you to post proof. You couldn't, because you lied about it. Same as usual.

I don't claim to have millions Paul, you do.

I'm not *trying* to prove to people I am a millionaire. I'm not. Far from it.

You, however, do claim to have made millions from porn, but are too scared to post a pic of your mansion.

We all want to see what millions buys you. So show us what your 35 years of porn bought you. And don't just post the same stupid shot of your street, or you on the couch. We've seen them. Post on of you standing outside the front of this mansion.

It's paid me just fine thanks. Not millions, but I don't claim it did.

OOH THE STREET PIC. AGAIN! lol. Seriously Paul, why do you keep reposting this? What do you think it demonstrates, aside from the bland greyness I imagined a Eastern European place would have?

For a man who is meant to know about aesthetics, you clearly have absolutely *no* taste at all. Or is that what Eva thinks looks nice?

Either way, looks like a B&B from Scunthorpe in 1975. Cream leatherette sofa. Nice. ;)

No you don't. You beg for money here and send your wife out to work as a secretary. I don't think Hef makes his birds do filing!

If you think that your sitting room shows the trappings of a porn millionaire, you really haven't been to many porn millionaire's houses.

What do you think this is? 419baiter?

You post one of your CRT and windows 98me running, I will then show you what a real set up looks like.

But you won't. Because you are scared of everyone laughing at you. As usual.

All mouth and no trousers.

So you don't know and just babbling.

Lying again, go find the post.

Do the maths moron. 34 years in porn, $2 million isn't a lot and over the years I made more than that, a lot more. Seems a lot to you, but what the fuck. You're broke. When did I say I lived in anything but a bedroom detached house. The mansion thing is you continuing to lie. You really must stop lying. Where did I claim to be a millionaire? You must stop lying. I will never post a picture of the front of my house for obvious reasons.

Well you do claim to know a lot about so much. Which has got you so little. You claim to be in marketing, yet you market yourself as a failure and a fool.

It's a lovely quiet street where kids can play without the fear of being knocked over. Which of those second hand cars belongs to you? Not 1 decent car on the street. People don't have garages where you are.
And your decor looks like you got it from the local rubbish dump. I suppose living in such a small hovel storage space is short.
I linked to thread where you lie about me begging for money. You must of read it, or a stupid liar. The glasses thread was a joke.

It's a home, sorry if it's not luxurious enough for you.

What do you think this is? 419baiter?

You post one of your CRT and windows 98me running, I will then show you what a real set up looks like.

A picture of my desk, Eva's desk, note the server and 3 computers. Got a few laptops as well.

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http://paulmarkham.com/temp/office5.jpg


Yes our offices look a shabby as your living room. I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

What will your next career be Damian?

I'm off to sit in the garden and read a book. Came back just to wind you up, will be back to do some more.

And the Jibe about Eva working, what does your wife do for a living?

Because it is as shit as your crappy office with those tiny monitors and cheap desks and chairs?

Paul, man, tidy up once in a while.

Really.

Maybe when your wife has finished opening the post and filing in her day job she could at least clean up a bit for you?

PS I can't believe you *actually* went to the trouble of taking those pictures to try and prove you are a millionaire. You're fail skills are laughable today. Well done. Fuck Paul, never leave here. You make me laugh so much. You're my bitch. Hehe.

A man whose living room looks like a tip, is telling me my office is untidy. :1orglaugh

When did I say I was a millionaire? You're lying again.

So post a picture of your office. Let's see all your hi tech equipment, wide screens, expensive office chairs.

Eva's desk is the more untidy. :1orglaugh

What does your wife do for a living?

Back to the garden, bye.

Here

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18274176&postcount=121

And you constantly go on about how many million you made.

You and your memory!


I wouldn't want to make you ashamed.

My chair alone cost more than all your office furniture put together. Herman Miller ftw.

Your troll game is getting weak. I never said I was a millionaire. Liar you are.

$2m divided by 33 years = $60,606 a year. That in English money so you understand it better is less than £739 a week. Come on troll, that's easy, it's like one set a week into a magazine. Please stop branding yourself as a failure.

Come on show it or people will think. Liar you are. http://www.usedaeronchairs.co.uk

Finally getting closer to the truth...now aren't you? You made a living and that is about it. Which means your current wealth has to be pretty minimal and would explain why you once stated that the money your wife earns comes in handy.

The trolling here is getting very very weak.

Private, go read it again.

Dismissed, now go clean the latrines and peel the spuds. :1orglaugh

FYI...I have not been on active duty since '92 and I have not been a Private since '80.

From the bloke who posted this little gem "that would mean 100k unique surfers per month - do you know ANYONE with that much traffic???"

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Is in fact the exact quote, made March 15 2007

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Seriously Jel you're not very good at this trolling game are you?

March 2007 who had that much quality traffic?

How does someone get 100k of uniques that will convert at 1-100?

I await your answer.

Getting 100k uniques is dead easy, which is why traffic isn't king. According to Fabian Pornhub has 20 million uniques a day. But conversion ratios are probably up in the 1-10,000 ratios. Not on banner clicks, on actual surfers to sales.

If traffic all converted at the same ratios. No matter how much or how you got it or where you sent it. Then traffic would be king. It doesn't so conversions and retentions are king, because that's what really puts money in our pockets.

The problem is you don't understand that part and all you and many do understand is how to throw more traffic to sites. Traffic that's clearly converting less and less. Now you can tell us you've never done any better and make yourself out to look like a liar.

The increase in revenue in online porn was not due to the free porn being put out. It was due to the increase in people coming online. That growth is over and now the growth is slow in quality traffic and the growth of people soaking up free porn is building.

There's never been so much online porn traffic and so little buying. So how does that make traffic king?

150 people thinking Paul is a big silly goose

I love how you keep saying this. Even though I keep proving, beyond any doubt, you are completely wrong. Again. Like with so many things. Bless you.

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/b...com-trends.png

Source: http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/1103/

Now please post your pointless reply where you call me an idiot and say I live in a rented flat. If you could take the time to so some screen grabs of any videos on youtube too, that'd be great.

For Mr Peabody.

A porn shop had many revenue stream.

DVD and mag sales.
DVD rental.
Private DVD viewing booths.
Peep shows
Toys
Pills and lubes.

The first 3 were absolute cash cows. Peep shows also were good earners, girls could earn a good living doing them. There were 1-1 shows and 1-10 or more shows.

When porn shops could afford rental on Times Square and other NY prime locations you know these places are making a ton of money. When the mafia run many shops it's a slam dunk there's money in them.

The porn shops and retail was where the real money was made in porn. For every film produced there was the possibility of retail sales, rental, private booths, cable and for some softcore market. Then the World Wide market.

When people talk about the turn over of Private as an indication of porn revenue prior to the Internet. Old timers know they're clueless about porn prior to the Internet.

And lastly, the idea of 100 people being allowed to thumb through a mag before someone buys it, is silly. The idea of people standing on a street corner leafing through a porn mag is silly, because it would deter other customers. Especially females in NY they might take grave offense. The idea of 100 people asking for a porn mag that's often placed on a rack behind the vendor is also silly. He would soon learn to say "Buy it and read it at home."

Not saying your friend didn't tell you, that would be wrong. Just saying you're silly to accept it at face.

Damian, go and think of how I will pull down your assumptions on traffic. You have an hour because I'm off to take Rajah for a walk. Seriously think about it.

I can't wait love!

You said the internet isn't growing, I proved it is. Lots.

You now have to PROVE it isn't growing to make your point.

Not posts 2000 words on why you think I'm a cunt. You need to find *evidence* about how the net isn't growing.

Because that is what you claimed.

Good luck with that.

xxx

The key is in the last part.

Shit, we have a thunderstorm. I'm staying in for a little while.

The growth of people in countries that are likely to buy is slow.

Look at growth in the last 3 years, year by year in the US, UK, Germany, AU and any of the other prime markets. Consider that online porn revenue comes from just a few countries. Then you see why a Global growth chart isn't important. It's a country by country growth chart that counts.

Then consider the growth in traffic on free sites and you have an indication why revenues are falling and people are getting out.

100k uniques per month lmfao hahahahahaha

Markham you made a living shooting porn...selling to mags...not a great living...but a living and about that subject you have some knowledge. As you have demonstrated...so very well...time and time again...when it comes to any other subject you are clueless. I spotted your ignorance many years ago and began calling you clueless and have ever since.

I am aware that you are not aware of your ignorance in almost all subjects but as I...and so many others...have pointed out to you...you are ignorant.

Here's a few links to show the trouble online porn is in.

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm the growth in US and EU is good, but the new growth is clearly in places we will have trouble selling to.

While online sales are booming in an unprecedented way. Online porn shrinks.

http://www.internetretailer.com/2011...fits-boom-2010

Online sales grow 29% for week ending May 8 to $1.5 billion

More sales taking place online, official figures show

Online sales statistics and forecasts: compilation

Sales of online porn are falling. While sales online are growing. Why is that? Maybe all you marketing guys aren't as good as you need to be. If you can't increases ales like they should be, you're obviously failing.

And don't say they're not, we can all see the problems we face. Well you face. If online porn comes back, it will make me happy, but no better off. I'm semi retired.

Maybe your business partner can give up her cleaning job and you could open up your own bank account :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yeh, because you have a life off GFY :1orglaugh

Your so obsessed and have no life, that now even you can see it and are now posting excuses for posting, because even your getting embarrassed :1orglaugh


Must suck to be you :1orglaugh