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US claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

07-05-2011, 10:09 AM

THE US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) wants to take down web sites that use the .com and .net top level domains (TLD) regardless of whether their servers are based in the US.

Erik Barnett, assistant deputy director of ICE said told the Guardian that the agency will actively target web sites that are breaking US copyright laws even if their servers are not based in the US. According to Barnett, all web sites that use the .com and .net TLDs are fair game and that, since the Domain Name Service (DNS) indexes for those web sites are routed through the US-based registry Versign, ICE believes it has enough to "seek a US prosecution".

According to the Guardian, ICE is not focusing its efforts just on web sites that stream dodgy content but those that link to them, something the newspaper claims has "considerable doubt as to whether this is even illegal in Britain". It points out that the only such case to have been heard by a judge in the UK was dismissed.

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07-05-2011, 10:11 AM

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07-05-2011, 10:18 AM

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07-05-2011, 10:52 AM

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07-05-2011, 10:58 AM

Wondering why you guys are opposed to copyright law enforcement.

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07-05-2011, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Wondering why you guys are opposed to copyright law enforcement.

It's more than that.

Namecheap for example has been shutting down .com based pharmacy sites that are hosted in Canada, registered by Canadians and aimed at the Canadian market for the simple reason that they are illegal under US law.
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07-05-2011, 12:23 PM

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It's more than that.

Namecheap for example has been shutting down .com based pharmacy sites that are hosted in Canada, registered by Canadians and aimed at the Canadian market for the simple reason that they are illegal under US law.

it's an Enom policy. Namecheap has spoken against it, and even gotten Enom to relax the rules a little.

Namecheap uses an Enom backend for the time being. Were supposed to have their own up and running, but who knows when that will happen.

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07-05-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by u-Bob

It's more than that.

Namecheap for example has been shutting down .com based pharmacy sites that are hosted in Canada, registered by Canadians and aimed at the Canadian market for the simple reason that they are illegal under US law.

That's more then idiotic....
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07-05-2011, 12:31 PM

This is really setting a bad precedent. I'm all for copyright protection, but there's a lot more that they can do with this if it's allowed.

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07-05-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by JamesGw

This is really setting a bad precedent. I'm all for copyright protection, but there's a lot more that they can do with this if it's allowed.

indeed, think obscenity laws, think 2257,....
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07-05-2011, 12:37 PM

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That's more then idiotic....

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07-05-2011, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by u-Bob

It's more than that.

Namecheap for example has been shutting down .com based pharmacy sites that are hosted in Canada, registered by Canadians and aimed at the Canadian market for the simple reason that they are illegal under US law.

who are you kidding dude? Canadian pharmacy aimed at Canadian market? yea, right...
Just like those pharmacies from India are marketing to customers in India...
I bet you 95% of customers were actually from the US...

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07-05-2011, 12:50 PM

If Al Gore would have patented the net after he invented it none of this shit would be going on.
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07-05-2011, 12:51 PM

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If Al Gore would have patented the net after he invented it none of this shit would be going on.

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07-05-2011, 12:51 PM

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who are you kidding dude? Canadian pharmacy aimed at Canadian market? yea, right...
Just like those pharmacies from India are marketing to customers in India...
I bet you 95% of customers were actually from the US...

they even shut down sites that refused to ship outside of Canada.
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07-05-2011, 01:46 PM

There is no thing as extraterritorial jurisdiction.

However, there is international co-operation in enforcing similar laws.

Most nations are signatories to the Berne Convention on Copyright.

Verisign is in the US Court's jurisdiction they operate the .com and .net registry world-wide.
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07-05-2011, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Wondering why you guys are opposed to copyright law enforcement.

I thought you repubs were for LESS federal govenment involvement. Now you want more. Which is it? Also in this time of people demanding budgets cuts where is the money for all this going to come from?
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07-05-2011, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by u-Bob

It's more than that.

Namecheap for example has been shutting down .com based pharmacy sites that are hosted in Canada, registered by Canadians and aimed at the Canadian market for the simple reason that they are illegal under US law.

.ca not good enough for them? Tell them to join the tour. If they are not doing business outside of Canada, the .com is kinda pointless.
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07-05-2011, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

Wondering why you guys are opposed to copyright law enforcement.

which copyright law.. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...pyright_length

As you can see in the list above , it isn't just a few rogue countries that have a different opinion of copyright laws/lengths.

Your real question is
Q) why should people be concerned about american copyright law being imposed on citizens of other countries that have nothing to with usa ?

A) For the same reason you would not want Iranian laws imposed on you.

The u.s. has a tld of its own just like every other country has the right to. If they want to impose american laws on american domains that's fine.

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07-05-2011, 10:45 PM

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07-06-2011, 12:41 AM

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I thought you repubs were for LESS federal govenment involvement. Now you want more. Which is it? Also in this time of people demanding budgets cuts where is the money for all this going to come from?

Dear surfer, copyright enfringment is taken seriously among business owners here.

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07-06-2011, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

which copyright law.. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...pyright_length

As you can see in the list above , it isn't just a few rogue countries that have a different opinion of copyright laws/lengths.

Your real question is
Q) why should people be concerned about american copyright law being imposed on citizens of other countries that have nothing to with usa ?

A) For the same reason you would not want Iranian laws imposed on you.

The u.s. has a tld of its own just like every other country has the right to. If they want to impose american laws on american domains that's fine.

Dear surfer, business owners take copyright laws very seriously.

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07-06-2011, 01:17 AM

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07-06-2011, 01:45 AM

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07-06-2011, 12:23 PM

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.ca not good enough for them? Tell them to join the tour. If they are not doing business outside of Canada, the .com is kinda pointless.

and what if they do business with everyone except the states

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07-06-2011, 01:03 PM

Just thinking out loud here, but is this really an "America is evil" thing? Don't all countries do it?

Google is an American company and they are always running into issues with European countries trying to get them to comply with stricter European privacy laws and regulations, even when they are not selling anything (i.e Google Street View). Apple and Microsoft deal with the same things.

For example, here is a story about Google being investigated by the EU for anti trust violations. http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/30/eu...er-online-ads/

Should Google be able to tell the EU to fuck off because they are an American company and the EU has no jurisdiction over them?

Generally, when you have users or customers in a foreign country, that country tries to get you to comply with their laws. Every country does it, not just America.

I doubt ICE will care if, for example, a German .com is streaming German content to German citizens. It's when a site streams a large portion of it's content to U.S. based surfers that they will get involved.

I'm NOT defending the actions of ICE, but every country tries to apply it's own laws when a foreign company starts to cross it's borders, even via the internet. You can't just blame America on this one. America has the most weight to throw around so everyone notices their actions, but every country does this in their own way.

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07-06-2011, 01:13 PM

The short answer to why ICE thinks it has jurisdiction here is that Verisign is the registry that operates .com and .net, and as such, everyone who purchases a .com or .net is doing business with an American company, which ICE is asserting creates a "U.S. nexus" for the purposes of their acts of enforcement.

I'm not sure the courts will ultimately concur with ICE on that conclusion/construction, but that's the basis of their claim of jurisdiction where foreign-operated .COMs and .NETs are concerned.

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07-06-2011, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by mynameisjim

Just thinking out loud here, but is this really an "America is evil" thing? Don't all countries do it?

Google is an American company and they are always running into issues with European countries trying to get them to comply with stricter European privacy laws and regulations, even when they are not selling anything (i.e Google Street View). Apple and Microsoft deal with the same things.

For example, here is a story about Google being investigated by the EU for anti trust violations. http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/30/eu...er-online-ads/

Should Google be able to tell the EU to fuck off because they are an American company and the EU has no jurisdiction over them?

Generally, when you have users or customers in a foreign country, that country tries to get you to comply with their laws. Every country does it, not just America.

I doubt ICE will care if, for example, a German .com is streaming German content to German citizens. It's when a site streams a large portion of it's content to U.S. based surfers that they will get involved.

I'm NOT defending the actions of ICE, but every country tries to apply it's own laws when a foreign company starts to cross it's borders, even via the internet. You can't just blame America on this one. America has the most weight to throw around so everyone notices their actions, but every country does this in their own way.

True. In general to me this is bad news for thieves, which is good news for legitimate webmasters trying to SELL the content that the thieves are "giving away".

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07-06-2011, 01:39 PM

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07-06-2011, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

The u.s. has a tld of its own just like every other country has the right to. If they want to impose american laws on american domains that's fine.

great, except .com/.net/.org was created and controlled by the US since the start of the internet, and so they have as much jurisdiction over those domains, as they do over .us...

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07-06-2011, 02:07 PM

Quite frankly, everything that is happening has all been caused by the actions of thieves.

If bit torrents, file share, and tubes hadn't STOLEN other people's work...this never would have happened.

Much like the dumb fuck "terrorists" gave the green light for the USA to take away all of it's citizens freedom to "protect" us...the goddamn moronic IDIOTS that are hiding behind DMCA to justify using copywritten materials and profit off of it have now given the USA the green light to fuck up the internet.

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07-06-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

Quite frankly, everything that is happening has all been caused by the actions of thieves.

If bit torrents, file share, and tubes hadn't STOLEN other people's work...this never would have happened.

Much like the dumb fuck "terrorists" gave the green light for the USA to take away all of it's citizens freedom to "protect" us...the goddamn moronic IDIOTS that are hiding behind DMCA to justify using copywritten materials and profit off of it have now given the USA the green light to fuck up the internet.

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07-06-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by mynameisjim

Just thinking out loud here, but is this really an "America is evil" thing? Don't all countries do it?

Google is an American company and they are always running into issues with European countries trying to get them to comply with stricter European privacy laws and regulations, even when they are not selling anything (i.e Google Street View). Apple and Microsoft deal with the same things.

For example, here is a story about Google being investigated by the EU for anti trust violations. http://venturebeat.com/2010/11/30/eu...er-online-ads/

Should Google be able to tell the EU to fuck off because they are an American company and the EU has no jurisdiction over them?

and how exactly does google get the street view pictures without having an PHYSICAL operation within EU.

they don't that an apples to oranges comparison.

Generally, when you have users or customers in a foreign country, that country tries to get you to comply with their laws. Every country does it, not just America.

I doubt ICE will care if, for example, a German .com is streaming German content to German citizens. It's when a site streams a large portion of it's content to U.S. based surfers that they will get involved.

I'm NOT defending the actions of ICE, but every country tries to apply it's own laws when a foreign company starts to cross it's borders, even via the internet. You can't just blame America on this one. America has the most weight to throw around so everyone notices their actions, but every country does this in their own way.

you do realize that taking away the domain name takes away the right to view content that is 100% legal in other countries.

linking for example is 100% legal in EU.

your equating balanced response which only targets the privacy rights of the individuals WITHIN the country where the laws apply

to an unbalanced response which denies the world stuff that is perfectly legal

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07-06-2011, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

you do realize that taking away the domain name takes away the right to view content that is 100% legal in other countries.

linking for example is 100% legal in EU.

your equating balanced response which only targets the privacy rights of the individuals WITHIN the country where the laws apply

to an unbalanced response which denies the world stuff that is perfectly legal

so use .eu or .ca or whatever domain and then you can link to torrents, or link to cp, or link to anything you want...

if you want to use .com/.net/.org you have to play by the rules that the country that controls it has laid out...

what's the drama all about?

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07-06-2011, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by woj

so use .eu or .ca or whatever domain and then you can link to torrents, or link to cp, or link to anything you want...

if you want to use .com/.net/.org you have to play by the rules that the country that controls it has laid out...

what's the drama all about?

because .com is a commercial, non regional top level domain

the only reason verisign was allowed to keep the monopoly control was because they were supposed to regional agnostic.

this violates that very principle

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07-06-2011, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

because .com is a commercial, non regional top level domain

the only reason verisign was allowed to keep the monopoly control was because they were supposed to regional agnostic.

this violates that very principle

in theory maybe it is, but in practice obviously it's not... and it's not really that obvious why "non regional" is even a good thing?

"non regional" implies "anything goes"... since no one has control over it, people do shady things on those domains and nothing can really be done about it...

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07-06-2011, 03:39 PM

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.ca not good enough for them?

It would be fine if a .ca didn't cost 5 times as much and require you to jump through hoops to prove your citizenship.

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07-06-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by woj

in theory maybe it is, but in practice obviously it's not... and it's not really that obvious why "non regional" is even a good thing?

"non regional" implies "anything goes"... since no one has control over it, people do shady things on those domains and nothing can really be done about it...

bullshit

you still have to obey the laws when you operate in a country

google still has to obey privacy laws for EU and canada when they film canadians houses for their street view

the difference between getting a court order to block US traffic from going to domain X

is totally different then taking domain X away from the owner just because US laws something that 100% legal somewhere else illegal.

the former only applys the laws appropriately

the latter takes away rights from people in foreign countries.

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07-06-2011, 04:44 PM

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07-06-2011, 04:47 PM

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07-06-2011, 07:10 PM

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07-06-2011, 09:39 PM

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Dear surfer, business owners take copyright laws very seriously.

Dear scumbag , you calling yourself a businessman is always good for a chuckle.

I guess maybe if you say it enough someone might believe you..

well , that is if they don't know your history , if they do then they just get a good chuckle out of a scumbag spouting bullshit..

I will be eagerly awaiting your shift at mcdonalds to end so we can hear your reply..

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07-06-2011, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by GatorB

Dear asshole no one likes you here so go fuck yourself. Not a surfer and you use steroids and thus made your small cock even smaller. How many people here even signed up for your shitty program? I mean besides the other republican neo-con faggots here. Is it as successful as your old mojosearch program? Oh wait that failed miserably. Now kindly go exercise your 2nd Amendment right on yourself and do the world a favor.

umm, what does the fact that 12clicks is an asshole have to do with the fact that he just owned you bad?

This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

Now read without the word dog.
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#48

07-06-2011, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by lauralace

It would be fine if a .ca didn't cost 5 times as much and require you to jump through hoops to prove your citizenship.

Contact your government and complain. Meanwhile the country that started the Internet will control .com and .net

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#49

07-06-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by woj

great, except .com/.net/.org was created and controlled by the US since the start of the internet, and so they have as much jurisdiction over those domains, as they do over .us...

The usa has "control" over all domains, that doesn't mean they have jurisdiction over what happens on servers in other countries .. if the domain itself is a copyright infringement then theoretically they could have jurisdiction over the domain.

but hey neither of us are lawyers so i guess it is a useless argument.

one thing is certain , if the usa starts pushing the issue , they will likely no longer have control over domains either..

The brits created the first flushing toilet, doesn't mean they can tell people in other countries how to shit..

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#50

07-06-2011, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

umm, what does the fact that 12clicks is an asshole have to do with the fact that he just owned you bad?

you must be reading a different thread, in this thread 12clicks is just repeating the same old drivel he has always done.. only he is older and has less money now..

You buying pre-checked cross-sales ? or is there some other reason you are licking the chocolate starfish ?

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