To me it was always an extreme very last-measure, when the attempts to see how far the child can push the parent see no end and it's complete indifference to any discipline. Think it might have happened once or twice.

The riots have nothing to do with bad parenting, unless it's the kind of macho tough-ass bullshit demeanour bullies always grow into after failing the jock stage in senior high.

That goes double for those who were only disciplined by spanking and other physical measures.


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Fiddy spanks to JFK HAH.

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I think spanking, to some degree, can be an effective form of punishment, but it's really not the best way to go about things. If the kid's completely out of control sure, maybe. But if he just did something wrong, you're better off approaching it with a more cool, but firm head.

Its easy for people here who have no kids to chime in on the subject. Once you do let us know your thoughts....

Growing up my mom used my grandpa's army belt from WW2 to hit me when I did shit wrong and always as a last resort. Needless to say I didnt want to put my kid through that.

I can count on one hand how many times I spanked my kid who is now 15. It all happened when he was young - 2-5 years old. Never to hurt him physically, more of a swat to show him I was serious and it hurt his feelings more then anything.

If you are gonna spank your kids, never do it out of anger or while angry. Wait until the situation calms. If you are pissed you are going to hit him/her harder then you meant to. That is a fact!

no the children I have done this with successfully were my niece and nephew who were both between 11 and 14 when they lived with me.. if they are treating you like a pushover that's because you are being a pushover... lay down the law and don't be nice about it and you will get a better response...

My nephew tried that 'your not aloud to hit us' shit at first, but I told him flat out that I don't give a shit about the rules so you'd better listen to me when living here. I have never lifted a finger towards him but because he knows i stand my ground hard he will not even try now. It took some work though, because my sister is a SERIOUS pushover so getting them to commit to things wasn't easy. They are getting there though.

I believe that a little tap on the ass when warranted isn't a bad thing. I also remember in grade 1, that a kid got the strap, from the Vice Principle. Just knowing that option was available to them was enough to keep most kids on their best behavior. Not too long after that though, they banned corporal punishment. That was in the 80's.

I think that a sting on the behind goes away pretty quickly, but for those 15 mins, it makes you ponder what you did wrong.

The biggest issue with parents these days, is that they are far too busy to effectively parent and merely give in to their kids after the kids grind them down. Send them to their room, no problem, they have computers, gaming consoles, TV's.

you can't?
spanking is a needed tool to discipline YOUR child/children

Hey... thanks for the replies.

Does anybody WANT to really hit their kid? No, most don't, I don't. I am talking about the pussy whipped mentality of society today in general. If my kid misbehaves to a point I feel a smack on the ass is warranted that is what I feel is needed.

Anybody who grew up before cell phones knows what I'm talking about. If your kid can't walk to the bus stop by themselves when they are 9, 10, 11 years old what the fuck are we teaching them? You teach them to be independent and smart. Shit does happen, but to constantly bask in the tragedy of the next town over and smother your kid, they will grow up introverted and without the knowledge of independence.

People who object to a smack on the ass should go back to mommy and suck some booby... pussies. Harden up and don't make our next generation a bunch of wimps.

what i really don't get is that its commonly accepted that hitting animals isn't the right way to teach them anything but hitting children is supposed to be? doesn't make sense.

beating kids never solved anything. it just created the shit parents that raise the demons you see running wild today.

the kids today = products of their beaten parents.

How does that work? Current punishment, as in no spankings, is really pretty new. Most of our grandparents, a good portion of our parents, and everyone before that employed spankings. Are the kids of today saints because so many of them are not getting spanked?

I think you can raise a child just fine with no spankings, but it does take work and discipline. It's a lot easier to give a quick smack on the ass versus listen to your child scream for 30 minutes while they sit in the corner.

The spanking argument is usually overplayed. There is a very large difference between spanking and abuse, somehow they are constantly lumped together.

I love all the opinions of those who don't know the difference between spanking, hitting and abuse so they just lump it all into 1 category. I guess I'm just a dumb ape since I discipline my child and spank him when needed.

The lack of discipline for kids these days is a major reason for the problems with so many of them, that and every Dr is quick to prescribe drugs for any kid who may or may not have a actual medical issue which only leads to issues down the road for that child and children they will have.

parents beat their kids all the time, just not in public that much any more.

thus explains their behavior in public = abused children.

Good point, when I was a kid, you didn't have kids on drugs. Well, at least the prescribed kind

what is it about spanking that creates a "good" child?

I can see what you are saying here and can somewhat agree with you... Those parents who were "beaten" as kids for not behaving now have kids and they don't believe in discipline and that their kids will obey them because they don't get spanked and are treated as equals right?

But lets consider this, the ones who are now parents learned right and wrong along with respect among many other things through discipline and they went on to grow up, graduate high school, get and hold a job and basically how to be a productive member of society.

Now they have kids and don't want their kids to feel the back of a hand. These are the kids that we read about today, 12 yr old kids gang raping 8 yr old kid. 13 and convicted of a triple homicide in a drive by shooting or worse yet, the victim of that homicide because they were left to make their own decisions and knew they would face no consequences from their parents or anyone else. They have a complete lack of respect for any type of authority, be it a parent, law enforcement, teacher or even the old neighbor from down the street.

Respect of the rules that govern society

What you wrote!

Tell us, O Child Beater, just how it is the beaten kid knows the difference!

I don't want to throw stones here but aren't you the one who posed as a women on gfy?

This kind of supports my point, no?

oh please, that has nothing to do with spanking but a lack of parenting and caring in general. typically kids that get involved in shit that bad have drunk or addicted parents who couldn't give a shit about them.

Maybe we should be doling out spanking as punishment instead of jail time.

Now I'm a child beater.. Whatever dude. But to answer you, they learn the difference of right and wrong and what happens when you break the rules.


Agreed, but is discipline not a part of parenting?


I guess you aren't aware of the difference between a child and a adult. A child is still learning things such as right and wrong, if not taught they have no clue that there are consequences for their actions. A adult should know the difference and if they chose to break the law then they are aware of the consequences such as jail time

Don't take this the wrong way, but we are animals.

Pretty much all the posts here are conveying that you should appeal to logic instead of applying feelings since we, intelligent humans can 'understand'. That's all a bunch of bullshit in my opinion.

When's the last time you were able to convince a woman logically to fall in love with you ?

Humans do not work according to logic, no matter how much some of you are trying to push this agenda.

We work on feelings: love, hate, fear, etc. It's what we respond to the best.

Sounds good to me, think of all the money saved!

Well good luck ;) I was too much of a pushover for them :upsidedow

Boy is almost 17 now and will graduate in Jan/12 6 months ahead of the normal
but that took 3 years of fighting him all the way lol making a kid do 2 hrs of homework 5 days a week without caving in lol

It can be done with out hitting them BUT god dam they can sure piss you off! :helpme

I wonder how many of these posters that are against spanking have kids?

And how many that do have kids, that have them on medication or seeing a therapist?

I have kids and have never spanked or hit them. Kids learn to respect you by treating them fairly, hitting them just makes them hate your ass when they get older. Having said that I have to admit I do love it when some mom beats the hell out of her brat in public, doesnt happen nearly enough though.

Yes, indeed!

The child learns that if he/she "breaks the rules", even if it is the first time the child has "broken" a rule and therefore may not have known that the rule existed, that Mommy or Daddy will kick the shit out of the child.

Of course the child then holds lifelong resentments against the abuser and more than likely will become an abuser him/herself.

Now THAT is "parenting" at its best!

There is something inherently wrong with a society which considers "discipline" to be physical abuse.

Yes Indeed I am a child beater? By all means, please post proof of this serious accusation. You know the rules dude.

There is something wrong with a person who can't differentiate discipline and physical abuse.

Beating a kid and spanking a kid are 2 separate issues IMO

+1 vote for spanking the kids!

I see someone hitting their kid in public, I stop it, it's happened

I've never had to spank my kid, but I've known kids that needed it.
Mostly because of bad parenting.

according to Children Protective Services in California, Open hand spanking is OK

It sounds like you were abused.

its a response to physical intimidation. its hard to say how much the child "gains" from it. maybe the child is wondering if how he/she is being treated is right or wrong.

?? It's a spanking. Girl, if you keep that up you are gonna get a spanking.

That is not traumatic... taking away there DSI is traumatic, taking away TV and making them go outside is traumatic, a spanking they just don't want because it hurts there little misbehaved behind.

Yes because that's what I want to do ... scare my child into doing what I tell them rather then talk to them and teach from example.

I have grown up with a parent that used a belt and a school that was aloud to paddle. And you know, if I did something to warrant the belt, I deserved it. Twice in my life. The paddle, whole other story. I did not respect the principal at an elementary school and feel the bitch may have gotten off on the task. Thing is I have three boys and have never had to punish them for their actions, they are so much more behaved then I ever was. I popped their ass when they would get into mischief when they were young, but never beat them. They seemed more upset at not being praised that the action was not the spank but the, oh shit, I let him down look. Kids love to do good, we are here to help them to do there best.
No one can tell another parent how to raise their kids, to many variables....

My father used to slap my brothers and sisters and I often for no reason. We were good kids too. He was a fucking asshole.
When we grew to be adults and he was an old man none of us ever called or visited him. He died lonely and all of us couldn't be happier for it. Only 2 showed up at his funeral out of obligation, the rest of us couldn't be bothered including me.

When you abuse your kids they will remember it the rest of their lives...

that is what you respond to because you exist at that level. you are like a fish trying to comprehend what land is like. you can't, so for you, it cannot exist.

sounds like he went to a gfy parent's course.

sorry to hear.

I got my ass beat with a black belt from my step father as a kid because I was always getting in trouble, hard to find parking when he died, what with the 21 gun salute from the VFW and the marines showing up and people I hadn't seen in 20 years.

I miss him

According to you, EVERYTHING can be achieved through cold logical reasoning. For higher human beings like yourself that is, not for lower fish like me.

Have you ever convinced through logical reasoning someone to fall in love with you ? Have you ever prevented an ex from leaving you by logically explaining to her why she shouldn't ?

Well how about this for a logical argument: you failed at parenting because now your child is a trained killer by choice.

You have allowed your child not only to become someone that is trained to kill others, you have put your child in a very dangerous situation with the wars and what not.

Aimlessly fighting for the US military does not make someone a patriot and it does not mean you're defending your country. Still time to do the right thing, get your children to safety.

That's your opinion. And it makes zero sense.

What makes zero sense? That the parents of murderers are bad parents? That defending your country by invading countries that aren't attacking you isn't defending your country? Please enlighten me.

Your whole trolling. It's pathetic.

the government actually own your kids.

If my trolling is pathetic how pathetic are you for caring? If you don't have nothing to add to the argument kindly fuck off. Thanks!

Pathfinder?

Generally I don't even pay attention to you. However your generalizations are nothing but troll attempts at Vendzilla. It brings nothing to the discussion except your bias towards another poster. How sad is your life that you sit behind a computer monitor to spew hate on a message board to feel complete inside?