digitaldivas

It just amazes me that so many affiliate programs have old school tours and shit up still. Also going through my links with my sponsors, it's just a shame that so many people have just stopped updating galleries, etc.

I am also surprised that maybe only 15 percent of sponsors are offering us, the affiliates downloadable flv's. I'm talking about just the files, not embedded with the player, etc. Some of us have our own players we would like to use. Just fyi.

I know that things are shitty, economic wise, scrubs, acts of God and what not, but I think that many program owners have just thrown in the proverbial towel already, but just have not taken that final step of closing their sites. Sometimes sites and programs are like our children. Pretty hard to let go.

I think that as an industry, we have monetized everything that can be monetized. I think the 3D will never get popular, personally, at least from what I've read. I'm talking computer driven 3D, not blue ray media.

Even networks, looking at and linking to all of these other sites, some with blue and green and yellow pics. Not even color corrected. Never even gave the girl a chance to sell herself and make you some $$. Who want's to jerk off to green fucking pics?!? I feel like the program is just subconciously screaming "our content sucks! but we will give you access to 20 other sites that also suck, so you don't feel as guilty when you join us". It's fucking depressing.

On the other end, there are actually a good amount of sites that are being launched that really have a fire in their bellies. The front GUI's are so slick that it makes the surfer want to lick the glass. So just my opinion, that the cycle that is online adult continues to respawn, but at a pace that is much slower than in the past. Imho, the ultimate longevity of these websites and concepts will be how much they love what they do and what the concepts mean to them.

And sadly, sponsors will continue the love/hate with affiliates, but they sure won't be giving away Porsche's and shit like they used too through bonus points, drawings and stuff like they used to do. I've only been to a couple of shows and they were both XBIZ Hollywood things. But I doubt they are like they used to be either.

I think some great innovation will someday resurrect this industry online again, but it will never be with the wide eyed excitement that it used to be. When I was in college in '2000 and I found my first foot fetish site, I was like, "I'm never going to a fucking porn store again"! I was buying magazines at the time and just cutting out pics and scenes that I liked with an xacto knife. This shit was custom! I could download what I wanted and fuck the rest. I spent 400 bucks on online porn in 2000. No, our market trusts us as far as they can throw us, and if you fuck up just one time, you've lost them. Social Media and shit have made people lazy. They have no patience for load times or video buffering lapses, not even mentioning "circa 1997" web designs. When I was on a 28k modem. I would be happy just to let a video I liked download all night while I was asleep. And when I woke up, It was Christmas Fucking Morning! Smoke a blunt, jerk off to it and kiss that shitty little white modem and my free 750 hour online access AOL CD!

They will join your paysites and cancel and hour after joining so they don't catch the recurring fees. If the dazzle on your backend does not match with wonderment your pimping on your front end. Just like a disgruntled customer, they will rip your ass from one forum to another. I am very respected in my fetish community and can honestly say that having an open door as a producer and surfing my forums that are key to my niche, putting myself out there for my community has saved my ass as far as being able to grow my paysite concepts and have the time to fuck around as an Adult Directory Network with Digitaldivasonline. It's fun, I'm not filthy rich, but blessed.

I do feel pretty fucking depressed though to go through affilite programs looking for new content though and seeing these one formidable programs, just a slowly dying shell of themselves. This is more of an observation than anything, however, your feedback on the state of the affiliate or adult program model may help others. Just sayin'... It takes a village, fuckers!

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Frasier

I noticed you are sending traffic to bigtitsglamour

just thought I'd tell you, they seem to be gone as of a few days ago.

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digitaldivas

thanks Frasier! That's sucks, I liked their content.

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You can work with me and Ed if ya like We want you're business, we do updates, the tour is fresh and new and I will build you what ever you need to promote!

Grapesoda

as a photographer in the biz I have always been 'tarnished' by the low quality images and video out there on the net.... other than the GF/amature stuff most of the crap shooter are losing their work as the 'buyers' become aware. and I don't think these 'brand new sites/programs' recycling bulk content form 2003-2005 are really going to do well with the sophisticated modern internet users, maybe in China or somewhere like Malaysa, but Western Eurpoe or the US/Canada no way

Vjo

What is also hurting the affiiate model is everyone on youtube is an erotic publisher. Sure some people want more hardcore stuff but a lot of people who like softer core niches find the girl down the street showing her feet or getting tied up or whatever more erotic than some paid pornstar.

True amateur is simply better than paid professional to the surfer if the content is filmed well.

Indeed the pornstar content of yesterday is not going to fly anymore imo and those sites (a ton of em) built around older content are prob not doing too good.

Good read DD. Always very interspective stuff you write

plsureking

its very simple. affiliates stopped producing results so why should sponsors bust their ass to produce new materials every month?

affiliates sales cost 50% or more of gross revenue. on top of that you want sponsors to spend money to produce the marketing materials for you. so how much money do you want the sponsor -- primary producer -- to walk away with? 10-15% after production and server expenses?

the affiliate model is dead. long live the affiliate model.
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Most programs have given up on the affiliate model. I've seen a lot of programs looking to build their own traffic networks, which is long over due.

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Grapesoda

the 80/20 rule applies here

Vjo

I would rather have the sponsor spend zip on marketing tools and everything on a new tour.

Tours are what sells. Marketing tools mostly just gain affils traffic. Pull all marketing tools from all sponsors tomorrow and it wouldnt hurt me at all. It would help me by eliminating free sponsor content from the web.

There was a time when you had to buy your own content to market with.

Doesnt matter how much affil materials you have if your tour sucks. Conversely if ND comes out with a kick ass tour tomorrow with kick ass site content but offered no affil tools it would still sell like hotcakes. Spend the money on the tour.

We know how to promote with minimal affil materials.

plsureking

great advice. tours are useful if a sponsor is generating in-house traffic too.
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Vjo

I know I am the minority and most guys need pics, flvs, feeds ect. But what we really need is new sites and first class tours with new content or new tour ideas and designs ect. If the affil materials must be cut back or even eliminated to make all ends meet so be it.

scubadiver626

What's 80 20? Internal/external traffic I'm guessing.

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Vjo

80 percent of sales are generated by 20% of affils.

So the other 80% of affils cost you a lot in promo materials, management and needed affil managers but dont deliver as much.

flpartyduo2

curious what you all think is a really well done tour. Post examples

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Cherry7

Wrong, 95% sales generated by 5% affiliates. Most affiliates seem to be amateurs with no traffic. Hobbyists.

It is difficult to offer galleries, when so few affiliates us them, want them or produce sales with them.

The affiliates that make sales are the ones with sites which have real content, a real personality and direct the traffic with intelligence to our site.

We spend our time and energy making the best possible product.

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Vjo

http://www.daredorm.com/main.htm

Notice the tour is:

1) High res (looks good on a 1920 x 1080 monitor)
2) New content (unseen elsewhere, well it was at one time)
3) Very long (at least 6-7 scenes shown or more, this tour goes on forever which is simply beautiful)
4) Feels "abundent" (like there is a lot of content)
5) Large individual images (surfers have mega fast speeds, image load time is no longer a concern)

Also notice the auto vid upon page opening at top right and also only one trailer but one that is easily found.

Love ya ND. Waiting on the next fantabulous straight site.

That kind of quality tour and a price under $25 = Winner

DWB

People with a Hulk fetish. Fuckin' noob.

Vjo

A price under $25 and paying your affils $35 = Super Winner

A price under $20 and paying your affils $25 or more likely revshare = Winner (but you better recur)

Priced at $29.95 and paying your affils $30 or revshare = OK (but you better convert which means a dynamite tour)

Priced at $34.95 or worse $39.95 and paying your affils $30 or less = Loser (regardless of tour, because you will not sell)

Love Sex

if the galleries worked, they would produce sales and more people would use them.

I agree with better tours.

Agent 488

aside from manwin/ rk and the cam companies adult is dead / dying.

the market has peaked, matured and consolidated.

everywhere else on the internet the affiliate model is booming because business is booming.

pretty simple.

Agent 488

has nothing to do with pps or any silly nonsense. when there is money to be made there is robust affiliate program.

programs creating their own traffic is a symptom of a market in decline.

rock-reed

We live in a more enlightened porn world... You're crazy if you think you send traffic via Your affiliate links that most surfers would sign up right then and there.

They see the site, they take time and think about it and do some searches on it.

They come back a few days later or even a week or month and then go straight to the paysite and bypass Your affiliate links completely. The paysite gets the signup, but you do not get paid as an affiliate.

This has Always happened... but its more prevalent now as:

1) Pay sites have fucked over members in the past... great tours, but shitty content on inside

2) Pay sites have fucked over members by trying to upsell or not let them cancel

3) Surfers are overall more savvy and understand overall search better and they do some basic research before buying in to a paysite.

4) Porn surfers are desensitized to porn to a degree and they no longer buy spontaneously.Sure there is still a Lonely, Drunk Jeff on a Friday night that buys immediately. But this is no longer The Norm.




Also----As time goes by.... many people cancel a paysite they love.... They will routinely join again after 6 months, a year... or sometimes even several years. This is a known fact as I have talked to several popular paysite owners about it.

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BlackCrayon

i sure as hell don't rely on it these days..

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Vjo

Good point. I always liked that Pimp Roll used "hard links" with your code contained that carried from page to page so if the surfer bookmarks the site and comes back they use your code as it is still in the bookmarked URL.

As opposed to cookies and your affil code vanishes soon as they enter the site.

There used to be lots more progs using hard links that carried thru the site.

So kudos to Pimp Roll. Only one I can think of that still does that.

GatorB

Not necessarily. Especially in the US. Half the copuntry can't evn get anything faster than 3 Mbps.

Vjo

This is true. Still prob better to lean towards bigger images even if a few sufers are still slow rather than be caught looking like your an old tour with not high enough res.

Robbie

In my opinion a really well done tour is one that sells. I know that sounds like a non-answer but it's true.

I find that "static" tours are pretty much useless. I don't care how "pretty" it is or which great website designer did it.

The tours that sell are the ones that are dynamic and change with the members area. Gives surfers/potential members a reason to come back to the tour and allows them to see what's happening in the members area.

In other words the tour and the site itself are "alive"

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digitaldivas

thanks Vjo

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...shockingly I agree with this

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digitaldivas

Much Respect for Cinema E, but it seems like your movies are pretty high production deals. Why not encode your .flv's to maybe +1750k data rates, so they don't pixelate. Other than that, I'd say keep on doing what your doing.

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V_RocKs

The amount of crap pics and lack of updates is appalling... A lot of smaller programs thought things would always be like they were in 2004/2005/2006 and then in 2007/2008 the economy started going South. Next tubes came in and started pushing out the old model of doing things...

Now it isn't enough to just look good, you have to sell it too. Blogs are still doing well because they SELL porn instead of just giving 160 options on a page to click on and you pick the best looking one...

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plsureking

the ignore list is probably the best feature of gfy

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Trayce

I couldn't agree more. I'm at someone else's house tonight dog sitting and their network is satellite because they're in the country and can't get anything else. I'm about to pull my hair out waiting for sites to download as if I'm on a 56K modem. Haven't experienced this frustration for years! If these people were into porn they'd still be going to a video store for DVDs!

I remember some of those shows. They were mostly a big pissing match between sponsors but they were lots of fun.

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