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AnimeFevers 06-11-2011 08:34 PM

I bought some traffic at trafficshop with the help of chris, I think hes a nice guy & good at what he does, he may make some douche posts here on GFY but come on who doesn't lol... Anyway we all learn from our mistakes and we all gotta move on.

L-Pink 06-11-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 18210195)
200k before taxes is good money.
;)

200,000 is good money period.

Wagerboy 06-11-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 18210190)
nobody. My point is 200k after taxes is very good money in America these days, even if you have a couple of kids.

No it isnt. Guess depends on where in America. Not in the Notheast it isnt. Especially in the cites, NY Boston etc...:2 cents:

C H R I S 06-11-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 18210182)
ya they must have had their hands in all kinds of shit.

would love more details about the structure over there.

who wants to spill it??
:winkwink:

what would you like to know.... i could write a book......

C H R I S 06-11-2011 10:00 PM

200K is OK.... after taxes and expenses its enough to live decently. Its not rich by my standards. Ron Cadwell $ is probably what I would like to be making (in my dreams).

Realize that your expenses grow as your paycheck does.... so it doesnt really seem like more money, you just liuve better. Smart people put alot away in the bank, which I did but had to tap into when I was unemployed......

And 328 is a chicks car but if you drive it right trust me you can blow anyone away....

xNetworx 06-11-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 18210291)
No it isnt. Guess depends on where in America. Not in the Notheast it isnt. Especially in the cites, NY Boston etc...:2 cents:

In NYC 200k is similar to 60k in say, Houston. Still decent for the AVERAGE person.

I couldnt live in NYC on less than 250k per year

plsureking 06-11-2011 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210298)
what would you like to know.... i could write a book......

properties, division of labor, major revenue streams.

the money can't all be from events and mags?

just curious tho. dont cross any legal lines..
/

Agent 488 06-11-2011 10:57 PM

did manwin buy avn? spill it ..

Herd 06-11-2011 11:07 PM

U can redeem yourself by telling us ICM's secrets on mandating .XXX. Who are the Democratic senators being influenced that will try to introduce this bill so that we may expose them. :Graucho

shade001 06-12-2011 01:03 AM

No one cares how you see yourself, you sold all of us out with ICM. Full stop right there. It's about time this industry took a stand against whores like you who will fuck the rest of us for a buck.

But for those who want to express sympathy for this asswipe, fuck you too. You're tainted by association.

shade001 06-12-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18209756)
Honestly, i like your style. Instead of all the hypocrits on gfy, you say whats on your mind. Some will love that, most will hate it because they cant handle the truth.

I know it got me hated for the same reasons.

Lemme know if you ever have something i can work on with you. Im ready for some change.

People don't like you b/c you are a little fucking drama queen. It ain't complicated. Get over yourself.

tonyparra 06-12-2011 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18209384)
you act like a 15 year old girl ...........

:2 cents::2 cents: this

tonyparra 06-12-2011 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 18209427)
Why on earth would AVN pay you 200k a year..

and that :2 cents::2 cents: i work at subway!!

DamianJ 06-12-2011 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18209792)
I could care less what you think.


Vjo 06-12-2011 04:56 AM

All you on the east and west coast who need 200K a year to get by are getting robbed.

Unlike Jed who went to Beverly Hills, you all should leave. :)

You can live large on 120K (200K after taxes) a year in the midwest.

Shit you can live large on 60K a year if you try. That leaves 600K plus interet you WOULD of had in 2021. Or 300K if you make 5 years.

Instead some of you WILL regret the money you are pissing away on Vegas and all the shit that young guys blow money on.

I know EVERYONE is a baller and needs 200K to live "properly". :)

When the income drops someday (from this VERY iffy business) and the cash goes bye bye I will be playing "my heart cries for you" :)

Respect the cash is all I am saying. (not to anyone in particular)

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18209538)
he was making 200k and he was your employee - jesus, how much are you making?

avn bought gfy :2 cents:

C H R I S 06-12-2011 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210572)
All you on the east and west coast who need 200K a year to get by are getting robbed.

Unlike Jed who went to Beverly Hills, you all should leave. :)

You can live large on 120K (200K after taxes) a year in the midwest.

Shit you can live large on 60K a year if you try. That leaves 600K plus interet you WOULD of had in 2021. Or 300K if you make 5 years.

Instead some of you WILL regret the money you are pissing away on Vegas and all the shit that young guys blow money on.

I know EVERYONE is a baller and needs 200K to live "properly". :)

When the income drops someday (from this VERY iffy business) and the cash goes bye bye I will be playing "my heart cries for you" :)

Respect the cash is all I am saying. (not to anyone in particular)

I agree Vjo, I was fucked when i lost the avn gig... I never expected it to go away... but ad revenues sank, revenues sank, we layed off 70% of staff and cut down from 5 mags to one. On top of that tradeshow sales were tanking... avn was in every declining biz model that ws hit the hardest - its a miracle they survived...

M ylifestyle and bills were at 200K , and suddenly i was on unemployment...

I will NEVER make that mistake again... I downsized my car, sold my house, etc etc....

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210300)

And 328 is a chicks car but if you drive it right trust me you can blow anyone away....

never seen anyone drive a bmw right :2 cents: and a big 101

C H R I S 06-12-2011 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18210591)
never seen anyone drive a bmw right :2 cents: and a big 101

well if you dare and you ever in LA ill give you the Mulholland race tour...Cahuenga to 405.... if theres not too many cars I can do it in 15-20 minutes....Not to many people can stomach it....

Vjo 06-12-2011 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210586)
I agree Vjo, I was fucked when i lost the avn gig... I never expected it to go away... but ad revenues sank, revenues sank, we layed off 70% of staff and cut down from 5 mags to one. On top of that tradeshow sales were tanking... avn was in every declining biz model that ws hit the hardest - its a miracle they survived...

M ylifestyle and bills were at 200K , and suddenly i was on unemployment...

I will NEVER make that mistake again... I downsized my car, sold my house, etc etc....

Good move man. It is tough for a young guy to do. I know I was young once. :) I pissed away a larger % of my money (prob not as many $$ as you all :) ) than prob anyone and I do regret it.

In life you almost always have your ups and downs unless you are really well off. A lot of times you really dont appreciate what you have until it is gone. We ALL have to learn that lesson. Then when it is gone you suddenly learn an appreciation for the $$ but then it may be too late.

Get a $2000 mortgage if need be. Get a reasonable USED car. Only fools imo (or guys who can REALLY afford it) throw 40K+ away to car dealers. And after all that you still got $2000 to blow a month while you save 60K a year.

You literally will not be able to spend 5K a month in the midwest unless you really try.

Move to Utah or Montana or somewhere. (if you dont mind cold, the colder the cheaper) You will first of all have your choice of beautiful midwestern girls as you WILL be a baller on 1/4 the money there. :)

It is all about reprogramming yourself and getting in an area where you can live reasonable unless you really are a million $ earner which there are some on this baord I guess.

Anyhow, maybe I helped someone who is doing well think clearly and save some for a rainy day.

Shey 06-12-2011 05:54 AM

Glad to see this thread Chris. I never got in on the other threads but read a couple cringing at the amount of drama. Good luck with every!

C H R I S 06-12-2011 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210607)
Good move man. It is tough for a young guy to do. I know I was young once. :) I pissed away a larger % of my money (prob not as many $$ as you all :) ) than prob anyone and I do regret it.

In life you almost always have your ups and downs unless you are really well off. A lot of times you really dont appreciate what you have until it is gone. We ALL have to learn that lesson. Then when it is gone you suddenly learn an appreciation for the $$ but then it may be too late.

Get a $2000 mortgage if need be. Get a reasonable USED car. Only fools imo (or guys who can REALLY afford it) throw 40K+ away to car dealers. And after all that you still got $2000 to blow a month while you save 60K a year.

You literally will not be able to spend 5K a month in the midwest unless you really try.

Move to Utah or Montana or somewhere. (if you dont mind cold, the colder the cheaper) You will first of all have your choice of beautiful midwestern girls as you WILL be a baller on 1/4 the money there. :)

It is all about reprogramming yourself and getting in an area where you can live reasonable unless you really are a million $ earner which there are some on this baord I guess.

Anyhow, maybe I helped someone who is doing well think clearly and save some for a rainy day.

Not sure if weve met but I like you.....

I am pretty happy in cali.. i think if i ever move it would be to south beach or spain....

Lessons learned man - i learned it the hard way.....

I tend to do everything the hard way, but I think you can see that.... :winkwink:

C H R I S 06-12-2011 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shey (Post 18210616)
Glad to see this thread Chris. I never got in on the other threads but read a couple cringing at the amount of drama. Good luck with every!

Miss you shey. I have some good news for you..hit me on icq or skype sometime to catch up...

Vjo 06-12-2011 06:25 AM

Skip the mortgage (if you can) and pay cash, other than that I stand by what I said.

Fuck the banks. 120K is fuck you money.

If you are making that kind of money you should realize the ying and yang rule is in affect. What is that?

In life nature sees to it that noone gets it all. If you are a major money earner maybe you have a nagging wife. Maybe you end up like JFK junior. Maube you have health issues. By being frugal with your money you are not spitting in yings face. Therefore yang wont show up someday to teach you a lesson.

Just a theory. :)

Vjo 06-12-2011 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210623)
Not sure if weve met but I like you.....

I am pretty happy in cali.. i think if i ever move it would be to south beach or spain....

Lessons learned man - i learned it the hard way.....

I tend to do everything the hard way, but I think you can see that.... :winkwink:

You are not alone. I have done everything the hard way twice. :)

I have a hard time saving money. I fig if I got a little left over there will always be more. But that is the kind of thinking that creates problems. Money is God. Without it you can be in hell.

Remember after 50, maybe about 15 years for many of you, you are not gonna want to go find a new job or go to work at a real 9-5 somewhere. You will be in HELL if that happens.

Vjo 06-12-2011 06:53 AM

I am easy to like. :) Because I am a loner and have no other people around :winkwink: at least no wife. :)

Happy is the man (only 3% of males never marry) who can live without all their bs. :) lol

Then again every form of refuge has it's price :(

You get used to being alone and like it that way. But for a man to get old on his own is very tough. Women are stronger over 50. Or at least better at doing the never ending housework. :) Housework is where I think I made the wrong choice. :) Eliminate the housework I am good to go. Let's party. :)

So I might leave the 3% someday. :)

Coup 06-12-2011 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by will76
yet again you will earn no points defending them. Stuart is evil because he IS a capitalist. You just totally don't get it. Being a capitalist and wanting to make as much money as he can doesn't make him evil to most people, but it does to people who *really* are in this industry. You are not in this industry. All you are is basically a bounce around from one company to the next employee. You can just as easy bounce to another industry. You own nothing here. What makes Stuart evil to everyone who is actually in this industry is because his *capitalist* success will come at our expense (not yours). Stuart has lied from day one that the industry supported this, the industry did not want it. He doesn't care about the industry he is just a money grabber, he had nothing to do with the adult industry, he just got a hair up his ass to get the .xxx tld to make money. In the end his success will be at our expense. Am I suppose to like him for it. Fuck no, I have a right to not like someone who is a piece of shit that wants to jeopardize my income. Sorry I don't give him a free pass for trying to "be rich". Fuck him. You are so clueless to what the people here think because you are not in our shoes. Is the person who steals content and then profits off of it a capitalist and should be given a free pass too? Maybe to you, but not the person who is affected in a negative way financially from it.


Welcome to the Communist Party, Comrade.

C H R I S 06-12-2011 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210687)
I am easy to like. :) Because I am a loner and have no other people around :winkwink: at least no wife. :)

Happy is the man (only 3% of males never marry) who can live without all their bs. :) lol

Then again every form of refuge has it's price :(

You get used to being alone and like it that way. But for a man to get old on his own is very tough. Women are stronger over 50.

So I might leave the 3% someday. :)

married 13 years..... most of it good....

I admire your independence.... I think only now I could do that.

Vjo 06-12-2011 07:21 AM

And yes I like girls. lol I can see the wheels turning out there. :)

How do you make it to 50 without getting married? Just like you many of you are doing right now. Start at 35 in this biz as an affil. Blink and you are 50. 15 years sitting on your ass in this stupid (altho sometimes giving) business. :)

Money is my mistress. :)

there is nothing a man should aspire to be more than secure as their own boss

As soon as I am secure, Ill move on to the next level and GET THE FUCK out of here and this stupid chat board. hehe j/k

Taking forever! :)

C H R I S 06-12-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210712)
And yes I like girls. lol I can see the wheels turning out there. :)

How do you make it to 50 without getting married? Just like you many of you are doing right now. Start at 35 in this biz as an affil. Blink and you are 50. 15 years sitting on your ass in this stupid (altho sometimes giving) business. :)

Money is my mistress. :)

there is nothing a man should aspire to be more than secure as their own boss

As soon as I am secure, Ill move on to the next level and GET THE FUCK out of here and this stupid chat board. hehe j/k

Taking forever! :)

Dont start joking now...... you see where that got me.
:winkwink:

mikesouth 06-12-2011 07:39 AM

I never had any issue with you until you sold out to ICM Registry. OK people are allowed mistakes but being a traitor is a BIG mistake, if you ever read "The Divine Comedy" you know that the innermost circle of hell is reserved for traitors and betrayers, and justly so. You aided and abetted someone who not only wants to make big bucks he wants to destroy this industry, as if we need the help....that's where the problem is, people like you are all too wiling to help if it makes them a buck. I still have no real ill will for you other than to say you reap what you sow.

You should serve as an example to others in the biz.....

Ya Im back.....

Vjo 06-12-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210695)
married 13 years..... most of it good....

I admire your independence.... I think only now I could do that.

I took you for a single guy for some reason although like I say only 3%.

I was studying engineering way too long. Graduated at 31. Then delivered a few pizzas, smoked a lot of doob lol with guys 10 years younger than me (yes I was the oldest guy at the pizza place too) and today I still hang with guys 10-15 years younger than me.

Really I never grew up. That is why I am so much fun while other guys my age are total lamers. :) lol

I wasted my good years studying:
Time and Motion study.
Mechanical Drafting (now obsolete)
and other major boring stuff.

But had a great time with the ladies as college rules for meeting the ladies. :)

Anyhow congrats. All my friends are now married. So I am the odd guy who goes over and visits them and gets a little female food and tlc once in a while. :)

Vjo 06-12-2011 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210719)
Dont start joking now...... you see where that got me.
:winkwink:

One last thing then i got to stfu. :) As far as Im concerened you dont work for the xxx outfit so frankly peoples anger should be directed somewhere else. Your a good guy. I can tell. A lot like me when I was posting in the 90s. A little shoot from the hip.

Yes people including me are dead set against xxx and so anyone who comes along is going to catch major flack.

Yeah maybe you didnt handle it perfect but chat boards can be tricky. There are no emotions and sometime humor or sarcasm is missed.

As someone said, prob wont be anyone on this board promoting .xxx as they will catch major hell.

In fact there may be a couple guys who are saying, why is Vjo being nice and chatting to him. Well cause.. read above. he made a mistake, he no longer works for them. Ya dont have to like him but lets allow him do his thing.

Ya know everyone here has always been so nice. I know I can be gabby but they let me do my thing and I let them do their thing. In fact giving you a little shit (really advice) in my first post is not my style. So i felt I owed ya a little chat and since I am in the mood to chat... my sponsors are doing well this month. :)

And you need NO advice from me. Keep making 200K or even 1/2 that and you got my respect. They dont give money like that away to ANYONE without them earning it.

Money talks and my BS walks. :)

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 3.0 (Post 18210595)
well if you dare and you ever in LA ill give you the Mulholland race tour...Cahuenga to 405.... if theres not too many cars I can do it in 15-20 minutes....Not to many people can stomach it....

no thanks, I drive in the mountains all the time... never seen a beemer doing anything impressive except race around in inappropriate areas of town, like on the freeway, side streets and mulholland etc... who you gotta watch out for are the volvo station wagons... man those guys are driving maniacs

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210607)
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Get a $2000 mortgage if need be. Get a reasonable USED car. Only fools imo (or guys who can REALLY afford it) throw 40K+ away to car dealers. And after all that you still got $2000 to blow a month while you save 60K a year.

hard to save 60k a year off 200k... the gov really gets all over that one

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18210687)
I am easy to like. :) Because I am a loner and have no other people around :winkwink: at least no wife. :)

Happy is the man (only 3% of males never marry) who can live without all their bs. :) lol

Then again every form of refuge has it's price :(

You get used to being alone and like it that way. But for a man to get old on his own is very tough. Women are stronger over 50. Or at least better at doing the never ending housework. :) Housework is where I think I made the wrong choice. :) Eliminate the housework I am good to go. Let's party. :)

So I might leave the 3% someday. :)

get maid servics and stay in the 3%.. that's what I'm doing

Grapesoda 06-12-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 18210730)
I never had any issue with you until you sold out to ICM Registry. OK people are allowed mistakes but being a traitor is a BIG mistake, if you ever read "The Divine Comedy" you know that the innermost circle of hell is reserved for traitors and betrayers, and justly so. You aided and abetted someone who not only wants to make big bucks he wants to destroy this industry, as if we need the help....that's where the problem is, people like you are all too wiling to help if it makes them a buck. I still have no real ill will for you other than to say you reap what you sow.

You should serve as an example to others in the biz.....

Ya Im back.....

Mike you are a traitor the entire adult biz. all you do is look for the dirt or misrepresent stuff and blow it way out there... you pushed AHF agendas by attacking AIM. how is that helping anything other than traffic for YOU?

Vjo 06-12-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18210831)
get maid servics and stay in the 3%.. that's what I'm doing

lol Thanks man. That actually sounds like a good idea. :thumbsup

Agent 488 06-12-2011 09:31 AM

who gives fuck?

forward ..

Vjo 06-12-2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 18210828)
hard to save 60k a year off 200k... the gov really gets all over that one

You got to move to the midwest and live modestly. I fig 200K is 120K after taxes. You can easily live fine off 60K espec if you have housing already taken care of. If you moved then it is a little tight as you will need to rent or maybe buy but you then save 1/2 or 60K a year. Also if you already have a decent car, that helps.

Even if you give 3000/month to housing and all overhead ($1500 mortgage if needed, $500 car payment if needed, 1000 covers insurance, prop tax, all of the rest.

You then have $500 a week. Ok $100 a week for food covers ya. You now have $400 a week to play with as discretionary income.

It can be done. :) Like I say already being here and having housing certainly makes things workout better. Then you really have decent money left on 60K/year.


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