Examples of police state in USA: Police violently arrest man for dancing with girlfriend, then - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

buzzard · 05-30-2011, 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=Rochard;18178414] What the fuck for? /QUOTE]

Those are the kind of guys that are keeping your right to post on message boards alive.
Your government spent a trillion on Bin Laden and then lied to you about killing him.

You got it exactly right.... What the fuck for?

TheSquealer · 05-30-2011, 08:39 PM

Quick recap:

1) Idiots set out to cause a disturbance with the goal of video taping themselves being arrested, while at the same time making it look like a random, aggressive act by police.

2) Police warn idiots many times to cut the shit and that they will be arrested should they continue causing the planned disturbance

3) Idiots continue to provoke police

4) Police arrest idiots

5) Video of idiots being arrested hits the web with the intended effect of rallying even more idiots to make allusions to the USA being a police state as if they have any clue at all what that means or as if they've ever experienced life without legal rights or the protection of the law/Constitution or know what it means to live somewhere with ZERO rights, to be tortured, to be a political prisoner, to have their property arbitrarily seized, to have family members disappear in the middle of the night... etc etc etc.

(NOTE: these are american idiots using the term "police state" and it shouldn't need to be said that they have an extremely naive and ignorant world view)

L-Pink · 05-30-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Quick recap:

1) Idiots set out to cause a disturbance with the goal of video taping themselves being arrested, while at the same time making it look like a random, aggressive act by police.

2) Police warn idiots many times to cut the shit and that they will be arrested should they continue causing the planned disturbance

3) Idiots continue to provoke police

4) Police arrest idiots

5) Video of idiots being arrested hits the web with the intended effect of rallying even more idiots to make allusions to the USA being a police state as if they have any clue at all what that means or as if they've ever experienced life without legal rights or the protection of the law/Constitution or know what it means to live somewhere with ZERO rights, to be tortured, to be a political prisoner, to have their property arbitrarily seized, to have family members disappear in the middle of the night... etc etc etc.

(NOTE: these are american idiots using the term "police state" and it shouldn't need to be said that they have an extremely naive and ignorant world view)

If I was visiting I would be pissed at idiots being idiots. Look for attention elsewhere.

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buzzard · 05-30-2011, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Quick recap:

1) Idiots set out to cause a disturbance with the goal of video taping themselves being arrested, while at the same time making it look like a random, aggressive act by police.

2) Police warn idiots many times to cut the shit and that they will be arrested should they continue causing the planned disturbance

3) Idiots continue to provoke police

4) Police arrest idiots

5) Video of idiots being arrested hits the web with the intended effect of rallying even more idiots to make allusions to the USA being a police state as if they have any clue at all what that means or as if they've ever experienced life without legal rights or the protection of the law/Constitution or know what it means to live somewhere with ZERO rights, to be tortured, to be a political prisoner, to have their property arbitrarily seized, to have family members disappear in the middle of the night... etc etc etc.

(NOTE: these are american idiots using the term "police state" and it shouldn't need to be said that they have an extremely naive and ignorant world view)

The cops won your heart because the main park cop looks like Steve Carell. Can I play playground insult with the word "idiot" 7 times?
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Internet User · 05-31-2011, 01:20 AM

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Cherry7 · 05-31-2011, 04:37 AM

So you are saying it is illegal to be an idiot in the USA?

That's is even worse than making dancing illegal, after all you can choose to dance or not but you are born an idiot.

Should not the police have offered the idiots help and support? What sort of civilized country attacks the retarded?

hdkiller · 05-31-2011, 05:40 AM

They was protesting

Rochard · 05-31-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

So you are saying it is illegal to be an idiot in the USA?

That's is even worse than making dancing illegal, after all you can choose to dance or not but you are born an idiot.

Should not the police have offered the idiots help and support? What sort of civilized country attacks the retarded?

It's not illegal to be an idiot in the United States. It's also not illegal to dance in the United States.

If two people were to be dancing quietly in a corner at a monument, people would just look at them strange. But if you have a group of people dancing for no real reason, it would make the other tourists there feel rather uncomfortable. Sooner or later someone will call the police, the police show up, instead of talking to the police officers their behavior gets stranger, they refuse to identify themselves, refuse to cooperate, and then get arrested for disturbing the peace. Normally you would just get a ticket for that, but being as they refused to produce identification, they got hauled down to the police station. In the process they resisted arrest, and might have even assaulted an officer or two.

In other words, it's perfectly legal to dance. But it's not okay if you do it - say - in a movie theater.

sperbonzo · 05-31-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's not illegal to be an idiot in the United States. It's also not illegal to dance in the United States.

If two people were to be dancing quietly in a corner at a monument, people would just look at them strange. But if you have a group of people dancing for no real reason, it would make the other tourists there feel rather uncomfortable. Sooner or later someone will call the police, the police show up, instead of talking to the police officers their behavior gets stranger, they refuse to identify themselves, refuse to cooperate, and then get arrested for disturbing the peace. Normally you would just get a ticket for that, but being as they refused to produce identification, they got hauled down to the police station. In the process they resisted arrest, and might have even assaulted an officer or two.

In other words, it's perfectly legal to dance. But it's not okay if you do it - say - in a movie theater.

Ok.... Are we actually agreeing on something??? LOL!!

I think that the police are out of control in a lot of areas, on a lot of issues, but this whole thing looked like this group wanted to get arrested, and they set out to get arrested. The problem in this instance is with the law, not the police. The police don't make the law, they are only allowed to enforce it, and if they don't, they can lose their jobs, (since enforcing the law is what they are hired to do). This group should protest to the people that made the law, not try to make the cops look bad for no reason.

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TheSquealer · 05-31-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Ok.... Are we actually agreeing on something??? LOL!!

I think that the police are out of control in a lot of areas, on a lot of issues, but this whole thing looked like these wanted to get arrested, and they set out to get arrested. The problem in this instance is with the law, not the police. The police don't make the law, they are only allowed to enforce it. These guys should protest to the people that made the law, not try to make the cops look bad for no reason.

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Finally a sensible perspective

A silly law exists that people think goes overboard
A bunch of people set out to call attention to it by getting arrested
They get their attention, people then weigh in on the issue

Has nothing to do with a "police state" - in fact, its more like a healthy democracy in action.

u-Bob · 05-31-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

idiots to make allusions to the USA being a police state as if they have any clue at all what that means or as if they've ever experienced life without legal rights or the protection of the law/Constitution or know what it means to live somewhere with ZERO rights, to be tortured, to be a political prisoner, to have their property arbitrarily seized, to have family members disappear in the middle of the night... etc etc etc.

- the police can tap your phone without a warrant.
- the police are allowed to lie in court.
- police officers will lie to protect other police officers who have committed crimes.
- checkpoints and warrantless searches
- swat enters an ex-marines home without a warrant, execute him and then make up some phony story.
- police officers are being trained to threat anyone who does not act all docile and subservient as a criminal.
- tsa agents detaining passengers at will.
- Indiana's supreme court states that people are not allowed to defend themselves against unlawful entry by police officers.
- police officers pulling a handicapped man out of his wheelchair and slamming him into the ground.
- secret service interrogating kids over facebook postings.
- people being arrested for filming acts of police brutality.
- the president can order the death of basically anyone.
- ...

sounds like the land of the free to me...

Cherry7 · 05-31-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's not illegal to be an idiot in the United States. It's also not illegal to dance in the United States.

But if you have a group of people dancing for no real reason, it would make the other tourists there feel rather uncomfortable. Sooner or later someone will call the police,In other words, it's perfectly legal to dance. But it's not okay if you do it - say - in a movie theater.

Now I understand,

1) it is illegal to dance without a good reason in the USA

2) It is illegal to make people feel uncomfortable in the USA.

The explains why the police beat up civil rights protesters - they made white people uncomfortable.

I feel some people are uncomfortable about porn.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-31-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's very easy to say "Oh these poor people are being arrested" but I'm pretty fucking sure if I'm in my local park high as a kite dry humping my girlfriend, it's only a matter of time before someone is going to complain to the local PD, they are going to come to look into the disturbance, they are going to see I'm intoxticated, and then charge me with a number of violations starting with creating a public disturbance:

what is your point ? nobody was humping anyone , nobody was intoxicated. Strange analogy lol

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Key word here is "offensive conduct".

i am not sure why that is the keyword here but , ok i will roll with that .. what was offensive about it ?

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Originally Posted by Rochard

These people were acting like idiots

lots of people act like idiots , you are acting like an idiot sometimes to me

i don't want you arrested for it .. i thought the keyword was offensive not idiotic ?

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Originally Posted by Rochard

, people complained,

the horror.. so if 2 people call the police and say you are acting like an idiot , thats a good excuse for a beatdown ?

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's not a fucking police state. No one was "violently arrested".

you sound like you are trying to convince yourself i think

you would admit jaywalking is a crime correct ? would you want your mother/grandmother/daughter arrested in that manner for jaywalking ?

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They were not arrested for "dancing".

i must have been confused by the part where he was dancing , they asked him to stop and then arrested him.

justinsain · 05-31-2011, 08:53 AM

The purpose of the law is to draw a line as to what is appropriate and what is not.

If dancing were allowed what would stop a bunch of hood rats from setting up their ghetto blaster and doing the
electric boogaloo on the marble floors thinking they are at monument to George Jefferson.

What would stop a DJ from throwing a rave and everyone paining up the place in glow colors.

What would stop performance artists from doing their thing.

What would stop kids from throwing a party and dancing.

What would stop strippers from dancing for tips.

The line was drawn at NO DANCING at all.

It's a Monument, not really a place to party and there are many more places that are much more appropriate for that behavior.
People that want to challenge that are just plain stupid.

Cherry7 · 05-31-2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinsain

If dancing were allowed what would stop a bunch of hood rats from setting up their ghetto blaster and doing the
electric boogaloo on the marble floors thinking they are at monument to George Jefferson.

What would stop a DJ from throwing a rave and everyone paining up the place in glow colors.

What would stop performance artists from doing their thing.

What would stop kids from throwing a party and dancing.

What would stop strippers from dancing for tips.

Sound like a place I'd like to live, you square daddy O !

pornlaw · 05-31-2011, 09:25 AM

Wow the US Park Police have definitely become much more serious...

Went to undergrad in DC. Hanging out at the different memorials was one of the things to do in DC...

A group of us were drinking and climbing on The Awakening at 4am (little known memorial down the way from the Jefferson) when the 4 cars of US Park Police showed up... no one got arrested. We were simply told to dispose of the beer and leave.

Many nights were spent watching friends climb up and sit in Lincolns lap...

Never once were we hassled or arrested. One girl did get a ticket for Climbing, Traversing and Descending a National Monument... but that got thrown out.

Rochard · 05-31-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Now I understand,

1) it is illegal to dance without a good reason in the USA

2) It is illegal to make people feel uncomfortable in the USA.

The explains why the police beat up civil rights protesters - they made white people uncomfortable.

I feel some people are uncomfortable about porn.

It's not illegal to dance in the US. They weren't arrested for dancing. In fact, you have no idea why they were arrested. Your seeing footage that fails to include what they did other than them saying "We are only dancing". Most likely they were getting a ticket for disturbing the peace, but instead of accepting the ticket they refused to produce ID. Any time you get a ticket or a citation and you refuse to produce ID proving who you are, you get hauled down to the police station.

Then they resisted arrest.

And if you feel uncomfortable about some porn, it's your right to call and complain.

Rochard · 05-31-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what is your point ? nobody was humping anyone , nobody was intoxicated. Strange analogy lol

From the video they all looked high.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i am not sure why that is the keyword here but , ok i will roll with that .. what was offensive about it ?

We don't really know what was offensive about any of it. All we see is them being arrested and saying "We are only dancing". For all you and I know, a few moments before they were all running around screaming.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lots of people act like idiots , you are acting like an idiot sometimes to me

i don't want you arrested for it .. i thought the keyword was offensive not idiotic ?

There's a difference between acting like an idiot and saying something stupid - which I am prone to do from time to time - and offensive behavior in public. For example, if ten of your friends decide to dance in the movie theatre that's offensive behavior that is included under disturbing the peace.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

the horror.. so if 2 people call the police and say you are acting like an idiot , thats a good excuse for a beatdown ?

Not really. If I call the police and say "someone is acting suspicious" it is the duty of the police to look into it. (This happened the other day when someone was standing outside of my house watching my wife leave, which made both of us rather nervous.) While it's not cause for a "smack down", if the police decide to issue a ticket or a citation, and you refuse to produce ID, your going to be arrested. And if your going to refuse arrest, your going down and your going down hard. In that case, yes, you will get a smack down.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

you would admit jaywalking is a crime correct ? would you want your mother/grandmother/daughter arrested in that manner for jaywalking ?

Jaywalking is a crime in context of you can be ticketed for it. If my daughter was caught jaywalking, was being ticketed by the police, and refused to produce ID I would expect that she would be arrested. And if she resisted arrest, she would be smacked down.

This is a simple matter of a group of people disturbing the peace, refusing to produce ID so they can receive a ticket, and then refusing arrest. And yeah, they got smacked down. You resist arrest, you get smacked down. Period.

L-Pink · 05-31-2011, 02:36 PM

There is a time and a place for everything. That wasn't the time and obviously wasn't the place. They were trying to provoke a response and got one.

Cherry7 · 05-31-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is a time and a place for everything. That wasn't the time and obviously wasn't the place. They were trying to provoke a response and got one.

So now in the USA is not the time and place to be....

You only find out how free you are when you try to use it. On putting up a Stop the War table, in a UK shopping center I was threatened with arrest within 5 minutes, when I refused to go, I was arrested.

In Communist Poland when I went to visit striking shipyard workers, I was arrested and deported.

When went to a protest against S Africa I was arrested for telling the police they should not be beating someone up, (he was charged with assault on the police)

First do something to test your freedom and then see how it is... otherwise it's just a bit of propaganda bullshit.

D Ghost · 05-31-2011, 03:30 PM

No matter which way you put it or look at it. It's pretty sad that some taxpayer money is wasted on this fucking nonsense. And I'm not putting the blame on the people that got arrested. I'm saying the local police or park police should have a little more intelligence in discerning what is a threat to public safety. Jesus.

L-Pink · 05-31-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

So now in the USA is not the time and place to be....

You only find out how free you are when you try to use it. On putting up a Stop the War table, in a UK shopping center I was threatened with arrest within 5 minutes, when I refused to go, I was arrested.

In Communist Poland when I went to visit striking shipyard workers, I was arrested and deported.

When went to a protest against S Africa I was arrested for telling the police they should not be beating someone up, (he was charged with assault on the police)

First do something to test your freedom and then see how it is... otherwise it's just a bit of propaganda bullshit.

Go ahead and troll. You know exactly the point I'm trying to make.

Cherry7 · 05-31-2011, 03:46 PM

Sadly that truth is that most people don't need freedom, they live under dictatorships and don't even notice....

Dead fish swim with the tide....

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buzzard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,276	[QUOTE=Rochard;18178414] What the fuck for? /QUOTE] Those are the kind of guys that are keeping your right to post on message boards alive. Your government spent a trillion on Bin Laden and then lied to you about killing him. You got it exactly right.... What the fuck for? __________________

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Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	So you are saying it is illegal to be an idiot in the USA? That's is even worse than making dancing illegal, after all you can choose to dance or not but you are born an idiot. Should not the police have offered the idiots help and support? What sort of civilized country attacks the retarded? __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

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pornlaw Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,876	Wow the US Park Police have definitely become much more serious... Went to undergrad in DC. Hanging out at the different memorials was one of the things to do in DC... A group of us were drinking and climbing on The Awakening at 4am (little known memorial down the way from the Jefferson) when the 4 cars of US Park Police showed up... no one got arrested. We were simply told to dispose of the beer and leave. Many nights were spent watching friends climb up and sit in Lincolns lap... Never once were we hassled or arrested. One girl did get a ticket for Climbing, Traversing and Descending a National Monument... but that got thrown out. __________________ Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com

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Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Sadly that truth is that most people don't need freedom, they live under dictatorships and don't even notice.... Dead fish swim with the tide.... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

05-30-2011, 08:39 PM	#102
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,174	Quick recap: 1) Idiots set out to cause a disturbance with the goal of video taping themselves being arrested, while at the same time making it look like a random, aggressive act by police. 2) Police warn idiots many times to cut the shit and that they will be arrested should they continue causing the planned disturbance 3) Idiots continue to provoke police 4) Police arrest idiots 5) Video of idiots being arrested hits the web with the intended effect of rallying even more idiots to make allusions to the USA being a police state as if they have any clue at all what that means or as if they've ever experienced life without legal rights or the protection of the law/Constitution or know what it means to live somewhere with ZERO rights, to be tortured, to be a political prisoner, to have their property arbitrarily seized, to have family members disappear in the middle of the night... etc etc etc. (NOTE: these are american idiots using the term "police state" and it shouldn't need to be said that they have an extremely naive and ignorant world view)

05-31-2011, 01:20 AM	#105
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hdkiller Full time cybermage Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 461	They was protesting

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justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	The purpose of the law is to draw a line as to what is appropriate and what is not. If dancing were allowed what would stop a bunch of hood rats from setting up their ghetto blaster and doing the electric boogaloo on the marble floors thinking they are at monument to George Jefferson. What would stop a DJ from throwing a rave and everyone paining up the place in glow colors. What would stop performance artists from doing their thing. What would stop kids from throwing a party and dancing. What would stop strippers from dancing for tips. The line was drawn at NO DANCING at all. It's a Monument, not really a place to party and there are many more places that are much more appropriate for that behavior. People that want to challenge that are just plain stupid.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	There is a time and a place for everything. That wasn't the time and obviously wasn't the place. They were trying to provoke a response and got one.

05-31-2011, 03:30 PM	#121
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	No matter which way you put it or look at it. It's pretty sad that some taxpayer money is wasted on this fucking nonsense. And I'm not putting the blame on the people that got arrested. I'm saying the local police or park police should have a little more intelligence in discerning what is a threat to public safety. Jesus.