Saddam's son: War would make 9/11 seem like 'real picnic'

[EscortBiz]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...eut/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Reuters) --President Saddam Hussein's eldest son Uday has warned the United States of huge losses and a calamity worse than the September 11 attacks if it goes ahead with plans to invade Iraq.

"It is better for them (the Americans) to keep themselves away from us," Uday was quoted as saying on Thursday night by al-Shabab (Youth) television which he owns.

"Because if they come, September 11 which they are crying over and see as a big thing will be a real picnic for them, God willing," Uday said, referring to suicide hijacker attacks in New York and Washington which killed about 3,000 people in 2001.

"They will be hurt and pay a price they will never imagine," he added, repeating similar comments in an editorial in Thursday's Babel daily, which Uday also owns.

Uday said the Americans could get more gains from Iraq without war, saying that Washington would fail in ousting President Saddam Hussein.

"They can get much more from Iraq by dialogue without resorting to the logic of force and war," he said.

The United States believes Saddam is hiding weapons of mass destruction from U.N. arms inspectors and has threatened to disarm him by force if necessary. Iraq denies having such weapons.

President George W. Bush's administration, which is building up a major military force in the Gulf area, has said the release of a U.N. Iraqi weapons inspections report on January 27 will be an "important date" in deciding how to react against Baghdad.

"They (inspectors) will discover that we do not have these things, we are not lying, we are telling the truth, we have no proscribed weapons," Uday said.

[NoCarrier]

Iraqi Propaganda

[Alky]

one of the FAA stations is near my house, you can hear the big cargo planes taking off lately... i have never heard this many before.

[Warden]

That reminds of when I was stationed in Italy when we would go to Aviano AFB just for the fun of it (The Hair Force always had better food in the Mess hall). Anyways, you would always know when a stealth fighter was taking off because every light on the runway would be turned off and you seen this black streak take off in the air. Pretty cool shit back in 1993. Especially since we weren't suppose to have any stealth fighters or bombers stationed abroad.

Warden

[galleryseek]

lol, how contradictory is that. how are they gonna make 9/11 seem like a picnic if they dont have any weapons.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by galleryseek
lol, how contradictory is that. how are they gonna make 9/11 seem like a picnic if they dont have any weapons.

What weapons were used on 9/11?

[Theo]

I believe we'll experience similar events in the near future.

[galleryseek]

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

What weapons were used on 9/11?

lol, i'd imagine they'd have to have SOME kind of weapons to make 9/11 look like a picnic. i wouldn't think every one of um would jump on planes and off themselves.

[Brujah]

They've threatened more attacks worse than Sep 11, ever since it happened. It happened in the first place before this.

He should work for the psychic friends network, and state the obvious to believers for $3.99 / minute.

"You are going to find yourself in great controversy with someone in your life right now. This will work itself out and a new path will be taken that brings you much happiness as a result. blah blah blah".

[Backov]

I believe the implication was:

"You think we support terrorists now? Just you fuckers wait and see what a few hundred million dollars will buy"

I believe there was some evidence that Iraq opted out of financial support for the WTC bombing.

It's a pathetic grab for oil really, and I'm blown away that the US system of checks and balances is gonna let it happen.

Cheers,
Backov

[EscortBiz]

I just hope nothing happenes

[freeadultcontent]

Originally posted by Backov
I believe the implication was:

"You think we support terrorists now? Just you fuckers wait and see what a few hundred million dollars will buy"

I believe there was some evidence that Iraq opted out of financial support for the WTC bombing.

It's a pathetic grab for oil really, and I'm blown away that the US system of checks and balances is gonna let it happen.

Cheers,
Backov

Actually I would just think he is speaking of the loss of life envolved in a standard urban warfare battle.

Yes it is the tale of Oil and the Madman (bush). Most of us are just hoping we and the world can make it past his riegn of moronic egotism. Right now there is no checks and balances, well there are checks, just ones his ass cant cover that he is writting to spin the economy problems, terrorism, and his agenda.

[Pornwolf]

I think Bakov is right. He is talking about doing things to us here. That statement he's been making is a smart move. It's the only way to make someone like Bush think twice. It would be easy as pie to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans over here. Saddams son knows he can't win a battle on his land but he can hit us hard over here.

Maybe he saw how the Korean nutcase's threats were recieved and realized no one will mess with a crazy little man that has nothing to lose... he will kill you.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
I think Bakov is right. He is talking about doing things to us here. That statement he's been making is a smart move. It's the only way to make someone like Bush think twice. It would be easy as pie to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans over here. Saddams son knows he can't win a battle on his land but he can hit us hard over here.

Maybe he saw how the Korean nutcase's threats were recieved and realized no one will mess with a crazy little man that has nothing to lose... he will kill you.

i dont think that being accused of being a whacked out and dangerous nutcase, hiding weapons of mass destruction and then coming out and making terrorist threats is going to help them score any sympathy points.

it reminds me of the Talibans Ambassador in Pakistan promising that "the US has not see anything yet" "we look forward to living like Americans look forward to dying" and "jetliners will rain down from the sky all over America" yada yada yada.

judging from the hundreds of thousands of soldiers, 6 aircraft carriers and full battle groups parked at their front door as well as around 25% of Britains military, Austrailia and others that are training right now all over the Gulf... i doubt that his "threats" are going to be very effective.

[ab1183]

Originally posted by Backov


It's a pathetic grab for oil really, and I'm blown away that the US system of checks and balances is gonna let it happen.

Cheers,
Backov

You guys are crazy if you think this whole thing is over oil. Saddam needs to be removed from power. All you people want world peace and no fighting, and that would be a great thing but it will never happen. Now, back to reality, there are bad people in this world. Saddam is one of them. He must be stopped now. When will people learn that appeasing dictators doesnt work. You say, "well he hasnt attacked anyone, lets leave him alone" Then when he attacks Kuwait you say " Well, you can take over Kuwait, but after that you have to stop" Then he keeps going and you saying, " No war" It didnt work with Hitler and it wont work with Saddam.

[xxxinnovations]

We should kill Saddam's dirty iraqi-lovin ass along with Ugay

[Apollo]

Oh geez, so with that thought when will it end for the US? They consider Saddam a bad guy so they put him out of business....who will be next on the chopping block? What if suddenly they decide that Japan could be a potential threat so then they'll invade there?

Look in a mirror before you start belittling other country's methods and ideaologies. Maybe you should look up the crusades in a history book and tell me exactly what good came out of that 'cleansing'.

As for 9/11 being a picnic compared to war...I have no doubt it would be. You honestly don't think there's going to no be suicide bombings, sabotages and other terrorist attacks in the states once this all starts? Especially since a lot of middle eastern countries from what I've heard are beginning to to voice their opinions against the US invading IRAQ. Some pro-war people don't realize that this isn't going to be like Desert Storm where the battle was overseas and the only US people affected were those families who lost soldiers during that time. There's no doubt there will be attacks on US soil and more than likely their allies as well.

lol, how contradictory is that. how are they gonna make 9/11 seem like a picnic if they dont have any weapons.

wtf? IRAQ isn't allowed to have chemical weapons or weapons of mass destruction...they're allowed to have conventional weapons.

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183


You guys are crazy if you think this whole thing is over oil. Saddam needs to be removed from power. All you people want world peace and no fighting, and that would be a great thing but it will never happen. Now, back to reality, there are bad people in this world. Saddam is one of them. He must be stopped now. When will people learn that appeasing dictators doesnt work. You say, "well he hasnt attacked anyone, lets leave him alone" Then when he attacks Kuwait you say " Well, you can take over Kuwait, but after that you have to stop" Then he keeps going and you saying, " No war" It didnt work with Hitler and it wont work with Saddam.

Oh give me a break man...you must be a republican without CNN
Sadam is a survivalist. He isnt attacking shit. Do you think he is that atupid to attck Kuwait or anyone else, knowing he is gonna be wiped out this time? This is the bullshit that Bush is feeding everyone...

Collin Powell is the only sane person in the whitehouse, and that is a fact. Even the inspecters are giving IRAQ a "good grade" for their cooperation with them...http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20030125/D7OOU5A00.html

Bush promised us evidence...where is the fucking evidence to go to war? Where is the weapons? That is the basis for going to war with IRAQ, right? So since we arent finding any weapons, why go to war? On a hunch that Bush has? on a guess? or because of oil?

[ab1183]

Originally posted by MetaformX


Oh give me a break man...you must be a republican without CNN
Sadam is a survivalist. He isnt attacking shit. Do you think he is that atupid to attck Kuwait or anyone else, knowing he is gonna be wiped out this time? This is the bullshit that Bush is feeding everyone...

Collin Powell is the only sane person in the whitehouse, and that is a fact. Even the inspecters are giving IRAQ a "good grade" for their cooperation with them...http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20030125/D7OOU5A00.html

Bush promised us evidence...where is the fucking evidence to go to war? Where is the weapons? That is the basis for going to war with IRAQ, right? So since we arent finding any weapons, why go to war? On a hunch that Bush has? on a guess? or because of oil?

No, I am democrat. And if you were able to read, I didnt say that he was about attack Kuwait. I said that if he did attack all you tree huggers would so it was ok because you dont want war. And UN inspectors found 12 chemical warheads in Iraq. And Iraq just happened to leave them out of the report "by accident". What about that?

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183


No, I am democrat. And if you were able to read, I didnt say that he was about attack Kuwait. I said that if he did attack all you tree huggers would so it was ok because you dont want war. And UN inspectors found 12 chemical warheads in Iraq. And Iraq just happened to leave them out of the report "by accident". What about that?

well, apparently the 12 EMPTY warheads that they have found is not that relavent to the case at hand, or else we would already be at war, wouldnt we? Bush himself stated the warheads found werent sufficent enough to indicate weapons of mass destruction.

What is gonna happen here is the inspectors will make their final report, and it will say that IRAQ has no weapons of mass destruction, and the U.N will state that there is no reason for a war....Than cowboy Bush will come riding unto the field with guns blazing, and the U.S. will invade IRAQ...who knows how many americans will die and how many innocent people will die, but hey, as long as get rid of 1 crazy old man.

[Tuga]

ab1183 I recomend you go find the other half of your brain now.

[NoCarrier]

It does not matter who is right or wrong. With the geopolitical stabilities in place right now, war in Iraq could cause some serious shit about world stability.

[ab1183]

lol, find the other half of my brain? Good one. All I am saying is that people need to come to the reality that war with Iraq is almost inevitable. If they would completely comply with the UN, we wouldnt have a problem. Please explain to me why they kicked UN inspectors out of the country a few years back if they had no weapons of mass destruction. You say that innocent people will die, maybe so. And for that I am sorry, but in my opinion it is a neccesary evil. What about all the innocent people that died when he invaded Kuwait? What about the innocent people that are shot in Iraq simply because they didnt vote for Saddam? And the innocent people that are beaten and tortured for losing in the olympics? I wish that you idiots would live over there for 1 week and see how horrible it is there. Then you wouldnt be so unrealistic.

[MetaformX]

And urban warfare is different then sitting back and dropping laser guided missles....Your talking about invading a country and staying there for many years.

Yeah, Iraq is a 3rd world country....so was somalia...18 american soldiers dead in 1 day of urban warefare in somalia...American public couldnt handle that back then, I'de like to see what happens this time oncethe Bush brainwashing ends and people start smelling the blood.

you want to invade IRAQ? Fine...Can you handle monthly occurences like somalia for 4 or 5 years? You better

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183
If they would completely comply with the UN, we wouldnt have a problem.

Bro, turn on fucking CNN....the U.N. sais they are complying...please, spare me the bullshit and do some research
here, I'll do some of the work for you even. Click and read
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20030125/D7OOU5A00.html

The whitehouse is the only entity that is saying their not cooperating...and obviously, cause they got nothing else to say. There is no proof like we were promised.

[Ironhorse]

Just war-bluff and chest pounding guys!

[ab1183]

I am talking about the first fucking time. We had inspectors there before and they DIDNT comply. Why, if they have no weapons, did they kick them out of the country last time????????

[ab1183]

And here you go, I did some fucking research as you suggested and take a look at it
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/spr...gainst.saddam/


Charles Duelfer, a top official with the U.N. Special Commission on Iraq, states "Iraq hindered more than it helped the effort, misleading inspectors and refusing access to sensitive buildings. "

I ask you again, why would they do this if they had nothing to hide?

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183
I am talking about the first fucking time. We had inspectors there before and they DIDNT comply. Why, if they have no weapons, did they kick them out of the country last time????????

Because last time, Clinton took over and Saddam knew Clinton wasent gonna enforce anything.

Anyways, what relevance does "last time" have? Were talking about now.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Backov
I believe the implication was:

"You think we support terrorists now? Just you fuckers wait and see what a few hundred million dollars will buy"

I believe there was some evidence that Iraq opted out of financial support for the WTC bombing.

It's a pathetic grab for oil really, and I'm blown away that the US system of checks and balances is gonna let it happen.

Cheers,
Backov

pathetic grab for oil? jeez wake up, it goes beyond oil. its all about saddam

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183
And here you go, I did some fucking research as you suggested and take a look at it
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/spr...gainst.saddam/


Charles Duelfer, a top official with the U.N. Special Commission on Iraq, states "Iraq hindered more than it helped the effort, misleading inspectors and refusing access to sensitive buildings. "

I ask you again, why would they do this if they had nothing to hide?

LoL! That article is from september 30, 2002, and the U.N inspector was talking about 1993 when IRAQ was being misleading, and yes, ofcourse they were. Once again, that has no relevance to today. In the present situation, the U.N is quite happy with IRAQ's cooperation. Lets live in the present please

[ab1183]

Anyways, what relevance does "last time" have? Were talking about now.

What I am saying is that to me, not comply last time was because they had something that they werent supposed to have. And if that is the case, where did these things go? They didnt just disappear. Which means that they may still have them. But even if the inspectors go in and say "We found 18 nuclear bombs" tree huggers like you will say "well, he isnt attacking anyone, he isnt using them, so we should just pretend he doesnt have them" Then he uses them and then you people think something should be done. How many innocent people will die then? We should do something before it gets that far.

[Matt_WildCash]

Look IRAQ is freaking HUGE and its easy for Saddam to hide a bunch of moveable bio & chem weapons and hide them where ever he wants.

The fact is that IRAQ has 100-1000's of bio and chemicial warheads, shells and missles from years ago that are not accounted for by the inspectors or that bullshit report IRAQ gave the UN. In IRAQ EVERYTHING is documented I mean EVERYTHING. And apparently the IRAQ govenment says they destroyed these weapons of mass destructions but didn't document it (oops). IRAQ experts say that is bullshit and that everything is documented by IRAQ and stored and to have all the weapons destroyed without any paper work just couldn't happen in today's IRAQ. (unless there bullshiting)

They don't need to find weapons of mass destruction to invade IRAQ, we all know he has a bunch of bad ass weapons that took him decades to aquire and he doesn't want to give them up.

Think about it, if he gives them up, then he has no major deterant to the USA or any of his neighbors invading him. So yes he has bio & chem weapons and No he doesn't want to give them up, and YES we are gonig to invade and kick his ass and I just hope the USA/British/Australian troops have some good bio & chem protection.

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


pathetic grab for oil? jeez wake up, it goes beyond oil. its all about saddam

ok, this is what this war is about. I will lay it out for you all:

1. Bush has a grudge against Saddam because he attempted to assasinate Bush SR, and I am sure that didnt make daddy happy
2. Bush needs to make his oil buddies happy
3. Bush knows that he has NO diplomatic and foreign affair skills, and he has absolutly no SOLID answers for the U.S. economy, so he is gonna play some wag the dog and hope for the best. It has worked before, so why wouldnt work now.
4. Bush knows that congress and the senate is less likely to criticize him in a war time situation, so he is gonna try and pick a fight with anyone he can. IRAQ is an obvious choice here.

That is it folks. I hate simplifying things, but wake the hell up please.

[Backov]

Well, it might be partially about the Bush family and Saddam, yes.. But really, it's about oil.

If you want to take out a dictator that fucks with his people, there's lots of other ones to fuck with. Just none that are as easy to take out as Saddam (no political connections) or as rich. He's a good target.

Now before you go calling me a tree hugger - I am not opposed to war. Invade him, go ahead. But don't try and make me swallow that it's about humanitarianism.. If it was, Saudi Arabia would be the Arabia Mall in the Greater US Territory of Arabia.

Bush wants to invade because it will be a huge economic boon for the country and because he's got personal issues with Saddam (ever seen the mural of Daddy Bush's face you walk over in the hotel in Baghdad?)

Anyone who thinks this isn't about oil is naive. What about all those other little shitpot dictatorships in Africa? Oh right, they don't have anything we want, let them kill each other.

Cheers,
Backov

[ab1183]

Meta, you sill havent answered my question. Why didnt they comply if they didnt have anything?

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by MetaformX


ok, this is what this war is about. I will lay it out for you all:

1. Bush has a grudge against Saddam because he attempted to assasinate Bush SR, and I am sure that didnt make daddy happy
2. Bush needs to make his oil buddies happy
3. Bush knows that he has NO diplomatic and foreign affair skills, and he has absolutly no SOLID answers for the U.S. economy, so he is gonna play some wag the dog and hope for the best. It has worked before, so why wouldnt work now.
4. Bush knows that congress and the senate is less likely to criticize him in a war time situation, so he is gonna try and pick a fight with anyone he can. IRAQ is an obvious choice here.

That is it folks. I hate simplifying things, but wake the hell up please.

people always come back to oil. if iraq didn't invade other countries there wouldn't be a problem, iraq would be left alone. saddam got stupid and now he pays for his stupidity.

[KingK7]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
I just hope nothing happenes

Amen...
I believe this war will bring nothing but BAD shit to all of us.

And no, I dont think its about the oil.
Like Rumsfeld said, it would be MUCH cheaper to just buy the fucking oil, than to wage war.

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by ab1183

What I am saying is that to me, not comply last time was because they had something that they werent supposed to have. And if that is the case, where did these things go? They didnt just disappear. Which means that they may still have them. But even if the inspectors go in and say "We found 18 nuclear bombs" tree huggers like you will say "well, he isnt attacking anyone, he isnt using them, so we should just pretend he doesnt have them" Then he uses them and then you people think something should be done. How many innocent people will die then? We should do something before it gets that far.

Sounds like you got a 'A' from Bush Brainwash 101
I think you missed it, but IRAQ is claiming that they destroyed all the weaponds in question in 1998. The issue here is not wether you believe that or not, the issue is "where is the motherfing proof?"

Bush promised us that he had proof, and that proof would be reason enough to attck Iraq. Only problem is, I see no proof, you see no proof. my dog sees no proof. But bush apparently has proof, yet despite calls from everyone and their mother for Bush to show that proof, we still see no proof.

Show me some proof, or I am gonna still say this is about oil.

[Backov]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


people always come back to oil. if iraq didn't invade other countries there wouldn't be a problem, iraq would be left alone. saddam got stupid and now he pays for his stupidity.

Dude, what has he invaded since Kuwait, over 10 YEARS AGO?

Answer: Not a god damn thing. He's been minding his business.

He's STILL under economic sanction, which is fine by me as well.. But now they want to take the whole pie away from him - what caused this? Again, nothing..

Oh wait, something did cause it.. It's called a Bush getting into the Oval Office.

[ab1183]

Anyone who thinks this isn't about oil is naive. What about all those other little shitpot dictatorships in Africa? Oh right, they don't have anything we want, let them kill each other.

Tell me one country in Africa that poses a threat to the rest of the world? None. Tell me on country in Africa that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons to use on the US? None. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. I dont care if the UN inspectors look in every city in Iraq, in every home and in every closet. They have them, period. And you tree huggers want to wait till they use em to do anythign about it.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by ab1183
I am talking about the first fucking time. We had inspectors there before and they DIDNT comply. Why, if they have no weapons, did they kick them out of the country last time????????

You do realize that the Iraqi's didn't kick out the weapon inspectors, but that they were pulled out by the UN because the US and the UK started bombing Iraq again and it wasn't considered safe enough for the inspectors anymore?

[ab1183]

He's STILL under economic sanction, which is fine by me as well.. But now they want to take the whole pie away from him - what caused this? Again, nothing..

Wrong again. He isnt still under sanction. He never was, the people of Iraq are under sanction. They are the ones living poorly, with little or no food. Saddam still lives in palaces and eat whatever he wants. You really are naive.

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by KingK7

Like Rumsfeld said, it would be MUCH cheaper to just buy the fucking oil, than to wage war.

Yeah, it may be cheaper to buy oil for now than to go to war, but this is about the longterm supply of oil.
would you rather keep buying oil forever, or invest a big amount up front(go to war) and own the oil forever?

[Backov]

Originally posted by ab1183


Tell me one country in Africa that poses a threat to the rest of the world? None. Tell me on country in Africa that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons to use on the US? None. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. I dont care if the UN inspectors look in every city in Iraq, in every home and in every closet. They have them, period. And you tree huggers want to wait till they use em to do anythign about it.

It's this attitude that gets people bombed..

"He has them, I don't care if they can't be found"

"He might use them, we've gotta take him out"

First of all, assuming he has them and uses them, it won't be against the US.

Second, if he does use them he'll use them against his neighbors, who will then proceed to kick the living shit out of him.

Third, who died and elected the US World fucking Cop anyway? And people wonder why other countries hate the US.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Backov


Dude, what has he invaded since Kuwait, over 10 YEARS AGO?

Answer: Not a god damn thing. He's been minding his business.

He's STILL under economic sanction, which is fine by me as well.. But now they want to take the whole pie away from him - what caused this? Again, nothing..

Oh wait, something did cause it.. It's called a Bush getting into the Oval Office.

you leave him alone to build up weapons and he'll do it again. then the situation could be a lot worse than 10 years ago.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by ab1183


Tell me one country in Africa that poses a threat to the rest of the world? None. Tell me on country in Africa that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons to use on the US? None. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. I dont care if the UN inspectors look in every city in Iraq, in every home and in every closet. They have them, period. And you tree huggers want to wait till they use em to do anythign about it.

Rush Limbaugh.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by ab1183


Tell me one country in Africa that poses a threat to the rest of the world? None. Tell me on country in Africa that is trying to acquire nuclear weapons to use on the US? None. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. I dont care if the UN inspectors look in every city in Iraq, in every home and in every closet. They have them, period. And you tree huggers want to wait till they use em to do anythign about it.

You really seem to have lost more than half your brain. The CIA stated a few months ago that Iraq didn't pose a threat, and was most likely to continue minding it's own business for decades to come, unless Saddam was attacked.
But, ofcourse, the CIA are just a bunch of tree huggers right?

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by ab1183
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. I dont care if the UN inspectors look in every city in Iraq, in every home and in every closet. They have them, period. And you tree huggers want to wait till they use em to do anythign about it.

Wow, a psychic moron!

Since you seem to know everything, what sort of weapons of mass destruction does he have exactly?

[ab1183]

You people keep insisting that him having weapons is not a fact. If its not fact, then why didnt they comply with UN inspectors last time????