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Juicy D. Links · 05-25-2011, 01:09 PM

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Alien Q invented PSDs

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-25-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Alien Q invented PSDs

I still love you.

Sid70 · 05-25-2011, 01:11 PM

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Half a hero! Long Island's favorite sanditch.

CYF · 05-25-2011, 01:39 PM

If I'm paying someone to do a custom logo for me, there better be a PSD included and I always ask up front. That way I can make simple changes and resize the logo, output it in different formats, use it as a watermark, etc etc etc.

Same thing when I'm paying someone for a custom script. I'm paying for the script, I want the source code in case I need to make bug fixes, or the programmer disappears I can have someone else make changes.

That's just common sense, and I won't use anyone that doesn't provide PSD or source file

loreen · 05-25-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

There is no more work at gfy.

There's plenty.

MaDalton · 05-25-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

There is no more work at gfy.

there would have been work - now i'm stuck with no psd and no banner

machinegunkelly · 05-25-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

there would have been work - now i'm stuck with no psd and no banner

To be honest, to expect PSD's for a banner is a bit much.

If absolutely necessary I would send a client a PSD with the main graphics locked, but editable text, so you can change the promo terms, text etc.

u-Bob · 05-25-2011, 02:27 PM

I always expect the PSD. Of course I always make sure to mention it is work-for-hire.

Si · 05-25-2011, 02:29 PM

I never buy a design or script without getting the psd or source code.

If I need to make changes, I want to be able to.

Meloman · 05-25-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by machinegunkelly

I think he's speaking of one client taking the $100 design he paid for, using the PSD to make 10 more sites, which he sees as a loss of $1000

that's the way I used to see it, but now I couldn't give a fuck, any client with that mindset is a pain in the ass, and I'd rather they take their PSD and go make their own shit

1st let me say I've used Sid in the past and think he does good work and is reliable.

Secondly let me say I ask for PSD's for all my projects and yes I have bought 1 design which I've then been able to modify for 100's more sites. I've never realized it was such an issue that designers feel they are loosing money.

I think the solution is to offer 2 prices right up front, 1 with psd and 1 without.

Note: I'm talking about my personal projects and not anything related to AFF.

Deej · 05-25-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Meloman

1st let me say I've used Sid in the past and think he does good work and is reliable.

Secondly let me say I ask for PSD's for all my projects and yes I have bought 1 design which I've then been able to modify for 100's more sites. I've never realized it was such an issue that designers feel they are loosing money.

I think the solution is to offer 2 prices right up front, 1 with psd and 1 without.

Note: I'm talking about my personal projects and not anything related to AFF.

Many do... The only point here is Everyone expects the psd and nearly everyone expects its virtually for free... meaning they want to pay the design price bare minimum and get everything for that price.

Sid70 · 05-25-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Many do... The only point here is Everyone expects the psd and nearly everyone expects its virtually for free... meaning they want to pay the design price bare minimum and get everything for that price.

This pretty much sums it up.

Carmelo, thanks on a good word, mate.

harvey · 05-25-2011, 03:04 PM

Although I understand the point and see it very reasonable, I couldn't care less. If someone wants the PSDs, I'll give them. I've even had this situation: one client asking me to fix a site made by one of those cheap filipinos who (badly) modified the design I originally made for that client. What can you do? I simply laughed and provided my best service as usual and told my client: "see? you had to paid twice!"

However, in such a competitive market, giving LESS than your competition will get you out out the race. Simple as that. And unless you're absolutely the best designer ever, and I mean WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, people will simply say "fuck, I'll get someone else at the same level of quality for the same or LOWER price and get a better and more complete service". As simple as ABC.

Of course, to each his/her own, but for those that are willing to listen to some advise: be smart and provide a better service. Work will come alone.

Deej · 05-25-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

Although I understand the point and see it very reasonable, I couldn't care less. If someone wants the PSDs, I'll give them. I've even had this situation: one client asking me to fix a site made by one of those cheap filipinos who (badly) modified the design I originally made for that client. What can you do? I simply laughed and provided my best service as usual and told my client: "see? you had to paid twice!"

However, in such a competitive market, giving LESS than your competition will get you out out the race. Simple as that. And unless you're absolutely the best designer ever, and I mean WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, people will simply say "fuck, I'll get someone else at the same level of quality for the same or LOWER price and get a better and more complete service". As simple as ABC.

Of course, to each his/her own, but for those that are willing to listen to some advise: be smart and provide a better service. Work will come alone.

CaptainHowdy · 05-25-2011, 03:49 PM

Give up those PSDs, boys. Nobody is reinventing the wheel in terms of design on the adult biz as far as I'm concerned ...

DWB · 05-25-2011, 03:52 PM

I'd never buy from someone who wouldn't provide the PSD if I wanted it.

Why?

1) Because shit needs to get adjusted. You, the guy who calls himself a "designer" because he knows photoshop, probably won't get everything correct down to the pixel, so I need the PSD to make those little tweaks / text changes / image changes / color tweaks. I have designers get me 90% of the way there and I do the rest based on that. Just because you know photoshop and can make some neat designs doesn't mean you know how to put a site together 100%.

2) There is a really good chance you won't be in business or will have flaked out when it comes time for me to hit you up for a change later on. Most designers, especially the ones in porn, are totally flakes. As are 95% of the programmers. I want it now because I will outlast you. That is guaranteed.

3) If I want changes, I wanted them yesterday. I'm not going to wait for you to schedule me in.

It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the changes. It has more to do with I want the changes now, and I can do the little changes myself, and you will eventually turn into a flake, then I'm left holding my dick.

DWB · 05-25-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Give up those PSDs, boys. Nobody is reinventing the wheel in terms of design on the adult biz as far as I'm concerned ...

Very well said.

No disrespect to designers here, but everyone just copies everyone else. There hasn't been an original site design since everyone moved to "reality style" tours years ago. And even then, once someone did it first, everyone else just copied them.

Most of you use brushes, vector images and fonts that you got elsewhere anyway. I doubt many of you, if any, are making your own. Kudos to those who do.

georgeyw · 05-25-2011, 04:21 PM

If you are that devoid of confidence (in your own work) that you think passing on a PSD will get you less work...well you are obviously not very good.

I deal with one designer and have done so for quite a few years. I expect the PSD and he has zero problem in passing it on. I can't design and never ever will try to do so, also if I want to make a tiny ass change then so be it - not all designers want to be hassled for pissy amounts of money.

Being unco-operative is only ever going to cancel out repeat business. I've dealt with other designers and when they start with all this type of thing I simply never ever give them repeat business.

NaughtyRob · 05-25-2011, 04:22 PM

Ditto and a very good point.

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As a "consumer" I want the PSDs as insurance. I've had a couple of designers create something for me (including PSD) then shortly afterwards drop off the face of the earth. I don't just mean ignore my contact attempts, I mean seriously gone... no more posts from them anywhere.

How do I get a minor change done if there's no PSD and the person who has them is gone? :D

NaughtyRob · 05-25-2011, 04:23 PM

DWB hit the nail on the head.

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Originally Posted by DWB

I'd never buy from someone who wouldn't provide the PSD if I wanted it.

Why?

1) Because shit needs to get adjusted. You, the guy who calls himself a "designer" because he knows photoshop, probably won't get everything correct down to the pixel, so I need the PSD to make those little tweaks / text changes / image changes / color tweaks. I have designers get me 90% of the way there and I do the rest based on that. Just because you know photoshop and can make some neat designs doesn't mean you know how to put a site together 100%.

2) There is a really good chance you won't be in business or will have flaked out when it comes time for me to hit you up for a change later on. Most designers, especially the ones in porn, are totally flakes. As are 95% of the programmers. I want it now because I will outlast you. That is guaranteed.

3) If I want changes, I wanted them yesterday. I'm not going to wait for you to schedule me in.

It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the changes. It has more to do with I want the changes now, and I can do the little changes myself, and you will eventually turn into a flake, then I'm left holding my dick.

harvey · 05-25-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

There hasn't been an original site design since everyone moved to "reality style" tours years ago. And even then, once someone did it first, everyone else just copied them.

that's simply not true. there have been MANY original designs out of the "reality style", they're not the most common, but they exist

Plus, you gotta be on the designer's side: 90% of clients (and I'm afraid of falling short) will never, EVER accept anything new. They all will want "something like ...................................." . Which isn't wrong, I understand it and it makes some sense, but my point is even those trying to do something different have no room to do it.

btw, check out my portfolio and I'm sure you'll be pretty surprised at how different to "reality tours" a design can be. And I didn't have the most different ones since they're quite old and quite honestly I don't even bother anymore since I know most of the time anything different will be rejected by the client

DWB · 05-25-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

that's simply not true. there have been MANY original designs out of the "reality style", they're not the most common, but they exist

Plus, you gotta be on the designer's side: 90% of clients (and I'm afraid of falling short) will never, EVER accept anything new. They all will want "something like ...................................." . Which isn't wrong, I understand it and it makes some sense, but my point is even those trying to do something different have no room to do it.

btw, check out my portfolio and I'm sure you'll be pretty surprised at how different to "reality tours" a design can be. And I didn't have the most different ones since they're quite old and quite honestly I don't even bother anymore since I know most of the time anything different will be rejected by the client

You can probably count them on two hands. Maybe one. But nothing is coming to mind. Please feel free to share. I'm not saying you guys can't do it, I'm saying you don't. For whatever reason.

There is the reality tour, the amateur tour, the GF/submitted tour, the tube tour, the Twistys model style tour, the solo girl tour, and then all the rest are variations of one or more of them.

It's like porn scenes. We fuck on the sofa, on the bed, on a table, and sometimes outside. Short of a few sites, content is in the same boat as design. It's all interchangeable. Few can actually say they have made ground breaking porn.

harvey · 05-25-2011, 06:25 PM

Well, obviously you have to show content, what's the point otherwise? But even then, you can do things in a different way, or even using the same concept you can give it a twist. I dare you to find something similar to the following BEFORE I did it:

http://fdsign.com/dawson1/
http://fdsign.com/dawson2/tour2b.jpg
http://fdsign.com/brittanysbod/page1.html
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...ger-pornstars/ (this is also a WP CMS, many sites are copying it right now)
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...bella-bellini/ (this is also a WP CMS)
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/18-years-old/ (the first site ever mixing episodes + toonish styles. Widely copied)
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...ia-montenegro/
http://www.fdsign.com/yegf/
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/destiny/
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...rtually-jenna/ (very old)
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/alternadudes/
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...athtime-girls/
http://submittedgirlfriends.com/tour.php (mix of social site and paysite)
http://messengergirls.com/tour.php ultra amateur + flash + fake social + chat and private messaging in one tour - this tour and concept will be copied to death, mark my words
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...l-about-boobs/ (this one, exception made of the narrow design could be a great design today... but it was made 7-8 years ago)
http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...r-18-under-21/ (another oldie)

some so old I don't even keep on portfolio anymore:
http://www.fdsign.com/bubblegumfreaks/
http://www.fdsign.com/butt_fetish/
http://www.fdsign.com/CumFilledMouths/
http://www.fdsign.com/freaky_panty/page1.html
http://www.fdsign.com/mywifesfriend/

As you can see, originality isn't something I lack of. However, if you care to take a closer look, the more original ones are not alive. Or are alive by parts (ie keeping the header, or the "vibe", or some elements). Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't do several of those designs today, they're dated and a some of them simply SUCK.

But, as you can see, it's not a question of not being original, it's a question of doing what you're asked to do and avoid doing everything 2, 3 or 4 times until you end doing the simplest and most known thing... which will get approved. It's very frustrating and time consuming to try to create and come with new ideas and then you will only do... reality style tours (as if they sell)

And I'm pretty sure many designers face the same problem, so it's simply a smart move to keep the best of your creativity for other uses and try to come with something as original as possible but always within certain boundaries

carzygirls · 05-25-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I'd never buy from someone who wouldn't provide the PSD if I wanted it.

Why?

1) Because shit needs to get adjusted. You, the guy who calls himself a "designer" because he knows photoshop, probably won't get everything correct down to the pixel, so I need the PSD to make those little tweaks / text changes / image changes / color tweaks. I have designers get me 90% of the way there and I do the rest based on that. Just because you know photoshop and can make some neat designs doesn't mean you know how to put a site together 100%.

2) There is a really good chance you won't be in business or will have flaked out when it comes time for me to hit you up for a change later on. Most designers, especially the ones in porn, are totally flakes. As are 95% of the programmers. I want it now because I will outlast you. That is guaranteed.

3) If I want changes, I wanted them yesterday. I'm not going to wait for you to schedule me in.

It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the changes. It has more to do with I want the changes now, and I can do the little changes myself, and you will eventually turn into a flake, then I'm left holding my dick.

Ok... I have been trying to post since page 1 and IE crashed EVERY time I tried...

I agree 100%. Nothing pisses me off more then having to wait 2 days for a space and a word change.

If I was a designer I wouldn't have fucking hired the designer in the first place. Same goes for most but MY TIME is worth money and making me WAIT 2 days for a word change in a jpg image costs way more then the fucking $3.50 you want for it.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-25-2011, 09:25 PM

Most programs are using outdated tours these days.
Most programs can not afford a good designer.

I know why affiliates are crying for better conversions because I have cried about it myself.
I hate sending traffic to tours more than even 1 year old.
If I know a tour is old or typical the surfers know its old and typical.

Maybe I am giving traffic to much credit but I never assume they are stupid anymore and odd's are when something new is online they want to see it. If its old and obviously fucked out of date they will not be interested.

Does not matter how good the design is so long as it is upto date and at least framed in something current and familiar with the times.

iMind · 05-25-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

btw, an example of what I was saying: check this site I made some time ago: not very original, but it has some original elements I've used for years and I kinda consider part of my style: the odd shaped angled boxes.

did you link to the correct sites? I don't see it at all.

harvey · 05-25-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by iMind

did you link to the correct sites? I don't see it at all.

well, maybe I've a more trained eye, but I caught it at first sight:

anyway, not a big deal, and even I admit those colors are pretty common (although the EXACT shade and all at the same time in the same combination in the same odd shaped boxes...

). I was just trying to illustrate my point and just minutes ago this design popped on another thread

potter · 05-25-2011, 10:37 PM

I don't see it... Yours just looks like you duplicated the layers, then flipped horizontal and vertical. Theirs looks like they genuinely created different layers. Seriously they look like two completely different methods, and the end result on both look entirely different.

Oh, and some might consider it fairly crazy to try to claim "odd shaped boxes". I mean seriously, juicy's posts making fun of AlienQ saying "I invented"? You're literally saying "I invented odd shaped boxes".

TubeSubmitters · 05-25-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70

I am in mainstream now.

So wtf are you complaining on a adult webmaster forum for then stupid ass?

harvey · 05-25-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

I don't see it... Yours just looks like you duplicated the layers, then flipped horizontal and vertical. Theirs looks like they genuinely created different layers. Seriously they look like two completely different methods, and the end result on both look entirely different.

Oh, and some might consider it fairly crazy to try to claim "odd shaped boxes". I mean seriously, juicy's posts making fun of AlienQ saying "I invented"? You're literally saying "I invented odd shaped boxes".

please show me where I said "I invented" it, since it's not a secret that comes from 50's pop design (which I love). I just said I used it A LOT throughout the years, and same as some designer come be recognized by the fonts, or colors, or shapes, these stacked odd shaped boxes are one of my most recurrent elements. But let's assume I did use them for the first time, we still have the following:

1) of course you're wrong, there's no flipped boxes. But even then, nothing would change

2) you're saying that a site on the EXACT same niche will have the EXACT design elements and the EXACT colors and it's a coincidence? If so, I have a bridge to sell you!

3) any decent designer know that there are styles and trends dictated by cultural, market and social contexts, which means similarities and unperceived influences are common. Yet there's not a single example of advertisement, design, art, etc that shares ALL the most specific elements at the same time (let alone off time cultural subjects like 50's design) without being a copy.

4) Therefore, you're saying this: this designer chose the EXACT palette, for the EXACT niche and the EXACT design element because... he's also a fan of 50's pop design! But wait... did I design that without noticing it?

5) You, one of the few designers in this board that tried to be different attacking me? and on top of that, embarrassing yourself in the process? I really thought you were smarter than that, but well.... maybe you're having a bad day

Sid70 · 05-25-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bengtarne

So wtf are you complaining on a adult webmaster forum for then stupid ass?

Non of your business, pedrilo!

Sid70 · 05-25-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

If you are that devoid of confidence (in your own work) that you think passing on a PSD will get you less work...well you are obviously not very good.

I deal with one designer and have done so for quite a few years. I expect the PSD and he has zero problem in passing it on. I can't design and never ever will try to do so, also if I want to make a tiny ass change then so be it - not all designers want to be hassled for pissy amounts of money.

Being unco-operative is only ever going to cancel out repeat business. I've dealt with other designers and when they start with all this type of thing I simply never ever give them repeat business.

I wish al clients to be so co-operative when it comes to real work not board posting.

RadicalSights · 06-01-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by loreen

There's plenty.

ya if you like working for free.

CyberHustler · 06-01-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Emil

I would never use a designer that didn't give away the PSDs.

wdforty · 06-01-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by harvey

well, maybe I've a more trained eye, but I caught it at first sight:

anyway, not a big deal, and even I admit those colors are pretty common (although the EXACT shade and all at the same time in the same combination in the same odd shaped boxes...

). I was just trying to illustrate my point and just minutes ago this design popped on another thread

Heh, you're right about WatchMyGF stealing their design, but it wasn't from yours. Check out this one I designed over 3 years ago. http://i.imgur.com/WkSKe.jpg And no, I'd never seen your work before.

RyuLion · 06-01-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

Although I understand the point and see it very reasonable, I couldn't care less. If someone wants the PSDs, I'll give them. I've even had this situation: one client asking me to fix a site made by one of those cheap filipinos who (badly) modified the design I originally made for that client. What can you do? I simply laughed and provided my best service as usual and told my client: "see? you had to paid twice!"

However, in such a competitive market, giving LESS than your competition will get you out out the race. Simple as that. And unless you're absolutely the best designer ever, and I mean WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, people will simply say "fuck, I'll get someone else at the same level of quality for the same or LOWER price and get a better and more complete service". As simple as ABC.

Of course, to each his/her own, but for those that are willing to listen to some advise: be smart and provide a better service. Work will come alone.

Yes you do, and thank you!

Girenr · 07-06-2011, 02:55 AM

You should just pretend that you are booked for months with work.

For some reason I am seeing designers claiming to be "booked for months" when they are obviously not.

Seems to be only female designers though. Strange stuff.. maybe they give out free BJ's with design?

sojproductions · 07-06-2011, 04:13 AM

I always give PSDs to trusted clients who i've worked with many times for free, new clients need to negotiate it in until we/they are satisfied with the relationship then we give them the files, everybodys happy that way

cykoe6 · 07-06-2011, 04:20 AM

I would never purchase a design without PSDs. I have never in my life purchased design work that did not require some modification to be useful. Design work without PSDs is not worth anything. It is basically just a screenshot. Totally useless.

Sid70 · 07-06-2011, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

I would never purchase a design without PSDs. I have never in my life purchased design work that did not require some modification to be useful. Design work without PSDs is not worth anything. It is basically just a screenshot. Totally useless.

Only broke fags demand psd for every banner to re-use it save a penny. Useless is a client demanding PSD for 3 banner order. In regards with web site the final result is html/css thing ( unless PSD is what a client wants as a final) that might be supported for extra fee. Heard of monthly support? Updates support? No, why the fuck then you charge porn surfers on recurring basis? Go fuck your self if you can't afford to pay for services.

ExpliciteDesign · 07-06-2011, 07:07 AM

It's alright to ask for the psd for a $2000 but asking for the psd for $15 banner to "make changes" that is ridiculous because making 20 banners out of one psd is simple.

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harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	Although I understand the point and see it very reasonable, I couldn't care less. If someone wants the PSDs, I'll give them. I've even had this situation: one client asking me to fix a site made by one of those cheap filipinos who (badly) modified the design I originally made for that client. What can you do? I simply laughed and provided my best service as usual and told my client: "see? you had to paid twice!" However, in such a competitive market, giving LESS than your competition will get you out out the race. Simple as that. And unless you're absolutely the best designer ever, and I mean WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, people will simply say "fuck, I'll get someone else at the same level of quality for the same or LOWER price and get a better and more complete service". As simple as ABC. Of course, to each his/her own, but for those that are willing to listen to some advise: be smart and provide a better service. Work will come alone. __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

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CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 94,075	Give up those PSDs, boys. Nobody is reinventing the wheel in terms of design on the adult biz as far as I'm concerned ... __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc.

05-25-2011, 06:25 PM	#123
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	Well, obviously you have to show content, what's the point otherwise? But even then, you can do things in a different way, or even using the same concept you can give it a twist. I dare you to find something similar to the following BEFORE I did it: http://fdsign.com/dawson1/ http://fdsign.com/dawson2/tour2b.jpg http://fdsign.com/brittanysbod/page1.html http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...ger-pornstars/ (this is also a WP CMS, many sites are copying it right now) http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...bella-bellini/ (this is also a WP CMS) http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/18-years-old/ (the first site ever mixing episodes + toonish styles. Widely copied) http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...ia-montenegro/ http://www.fdsign.com/yegf/ http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/destiny/ http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...rtually-jenna/ (very old) http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/paysites/alternadudes/ http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...athtime-girls/ http://submittedgirlfriends.com/tour.php (mix of social site and paysite) http://messengergirls.com/tour.php ultra amateur + flash + fake social + chat and private messaging in one tour - this tour and concept will be copied to death, mark my words http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...l-about-boobs/ (this one, exception made of the narrow design could be a great design today... but it was made 7-8 years ago) http://www.fdsign.com/evolution/pays...r-18-under-21/ (another oldie) some so old I don't even keep on portfolio anymore: http://www.fdsign.com/bubblegumfreaks/ http://www.fdsign.com/butt_fetish/ http://www.fdsign.com/CumFilledMouths/ http://www.fdsign.com/freaky_panty/page1.html http://www.fdsign.com/mywifesfriend/ As you can see, originality isn't something I lack of. However, if you care to take a closer look, the more original ones are not alive. Or are alive by parts (ie keeping the header, or the "vibe", or some elements). Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't do several of those designs today, they're dated and a some of them simply SUCK. But, as you can see, it's not a question of not being original, it's a question of doing what you're asked to do and avoid doing everything 2, 3 or 4 times until you end doing the simplest and most known thing... which will get approved. It's very frustrating and time consuming to try to create and come with new ideas and then you will only do... reality style tours (as if they sell) And I'm pretty sure many designers face the same problem, so it's simply a smart move to keep the best of your creativity for other uses and try to come with something as original as possible but always within certain boundaries __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

05-25-2011, 09:25 PM	#125
ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,241	Most programs are using outdated tours these days. Most programs can not afford a good designer. I know why affiliates are crying for better conversions because I have cried about it myself. I hate sending traffic to tours more than even 1 year old. If I know a tour is old or typical the surfers know its old and typical. Maybe I am giving traffic to much credit but I never assume they are stupid anymore and odd's are when something new is online they want to see it. If its old and obviously fucked out of date they will not be interested. Does not matter how good the design is so long as it is upto date and at least framed in something current and familiar with the times. Last edited by ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-25-2011 at 09:28 PM..

05-25-2011, 02:27 PM	#108
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	I always expect the PSD. Of course I always make sure to mention it is work-for-hire.

05-25-2011, 02:29 PM	#109
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	I never buy a design or script without getting the psd or source code. If I need to make changes, I want to be able to.

05-25-2011, 03:52 PM	#116
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I'd never buy from someone who wouldn't provide the PSD if I wanted it. Why? 1) Because shit needs to get adjusted. You, the guy who calls himself a "designer" because he knows photoshop, probably won't get everything correct down to the pixel, so I need the PSD to make those little tweaks / text changes / image changes / color tweaks. I have designers get me 90% of the way there and I do the rest based on that. Just because you know photoshop and can make some neat designs doesn't mean you know how to put a site together 100%. 2) There is a really good chance you won't be in business or will have flaked out when it comes time for me to hit you up for a change later on. Most designers, especially the ones in porn, are totally flakes. As are 95% of the programmers. I want it now because I will outlast you. That is guaranteed. 3) If I want changes, I wanted them yesterday. I'm not going to wait for you to schedule me in. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the changes. It has more to do with I want the changes now, and I can do the little changes myself, and you will eventually turn into a flake, then I'm left holding my dick.

05-25-2011, 04:21 PM	#118
georgeyw 58008 53773 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 9,864	If you are that devoid of confidence (in your own work) that you think passing on a PSD will get you less work...well you are obviously not very good. I deal with one designer and have done so for quite a few years. I expect the PSD and he has zero problem in passing it on. I can't design and never ever will try to do so, also if I want to make a tiny ass change then so be it - not all designers want to be hassled for pissy amounts of money. Being unco-operative is only ever going to cancel out repeat business. I've dealt with other designers and when they start with all this type of thing I simply never ever give them repeat business.

05-25-2011, 10:37 PM	#128
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	I don't see it... Yours just looks like you duplicated the layers, then flipped horizontal and vertical. Theirs looks like they genuinely created different layers. Seriously they look like two completely different methods, and the end result on both look entirely different. Oh, and some might consider it fairly crazy to try to claim "odd shaped boxes". I mean seriously, juicy's posts making fun of AlienQ saying "I invented"? You're literally saying "I invented odd shaped boxes". __________________

07-06-2011, 02:55 AM	#137
Girenr Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 29	You should just pretend that you are booked for months with work. For some reason I am seeing designers claiming to be "booked for months" when they are obviously not. Seems to be only female designers though. Strange stuff.. maybe they give out free BJ's with design? Last edited by Girenr; 07-06-2011 at 02:57 AM..

07-06-2011, 04:13 AM	#138
sojproductions Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,160	I always give PSDs to trusted clients who i've worked with many times for free, new clients need to negotiate it in until we/they are satisfied with the relationship then we give them the files, everybodys happy that way __________________ ICQ: 404-159-022 Blue Pixels Profits - Uk Solo Tranny sites & Crossdressing! Filthy Profits - Uk MILF Solo Sites

07-06-2011, 04:20 AM	#139
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	I would never purchase a design without PSDs. I have never in my life purchased design work that did not require some modification to be useful. Design work without PSDs is not worth anything. It is basically just a screenshot. Totally useless. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

07-06-2011, 07:07 AM	#141
ExpliciteDesign Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 149	It's alright to ask for the psd for a $2000 but asking for the psd for $15 banner to "make changes" that is ridiculous because making 20 banners out of one psd is simple.