Interesting chat with a guy selling adverts on a Tube site. Is it a good sign? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

96ukssob · 05-25-2011, 09:39 AM

fiddy good signs

The Porn Nerd · 05-25-2011, 09:41 AM

I just finished a two-week "test run" on a major tube. $5000 (and I got a deal). Lost about $2000 on the ad. LOL

So going for PPC now, instead of pre-paid ad spots. Better bang for your buck there.

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

so the GFY group opinion now is that illegal tubes are good because they sell advertising space, is it? Everyone has forgotten their loss of SE places, falling conversions and surfers now knowing that they'll never need to pay for porn again?

This is the most un-business like industry I've ever encountered.

No industry gives away the product it's trying to sell in the quantities, regularity or quality online porn does, in the hope of selling online porn.

Even when the result of the practice is as clear as daylight, people praise the sites that give away the most and cost them the most sales.

marlboroack · 05-25-2011, 10:27 AM

What are you smoking

shade001 · 05-25-2011, 10:31 AM

Paul, even when you make a decent point you just repeat the same shit over and over.

shade001 · 05-25-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

so the GFY group opinion now is that illegal tubes are good because they sell advertising space, is it? Everyone has forgotten their loss of SE places, falling conversions and surfers now knowing that they'll never need to pay for porn again?

Pretty much. Money talks.

DamianJ · 05-25-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shade001

Paul, even when you make a decent point you just repeat the same shit over and over.

He is a script. All he ever says is 2 things. Free porn is bad. Spend more on content.

Everything, and really, everything, is a rehash of those two points.

Sucks getting old.

Cherry7 · 05-25-2011, 11:37 AM

Tube sites are ringing people in the Czech Republic ?

From the USA ?

Wow....

NetHorse · 05-25-2011, 12:17 PM

Paul, you're obsessed with tubes. Let it go pal.

Fucksakes · 05-25-2011, 12:22 PM

wow reading advice from ppl who are fucking clueless is so frustrating.

Rochard · 05-25-2011, 12:27 PM

magic join pages

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shade001

Paul, even when you make a decent point you just repeat the same shit over and over.

The reason is the problem and solution are still the same.

Problem = Falling sales.
Solution = Better attention to customers.

When the problem and solution change, I won§t be able to say the same thing.

teomaxxx · 05-25-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I just finished a two-week "test run" on a major tube. $5000 (and I got a deal). Lost about $2000 on the ad. LOL

So going for PPC now, instead of pre-paid ad spots. Better bang for your buck there.

I did my own test $2000 campaign, it almost paid off, but net earnings were just around zero or maybe I ended up with small loss. Anyway, I succesfully bought gallery spots on Thehun, Worldsex and Sleazydream during 2004-2008. Thehun was the best place, 200-300 percent ROI guaranted, if you did know what you were doing. Few small programs I was promoting there, discovered the power of thehun paid galleries and bought there a shitload of their own paid spots, after they saw my own paid galls. All Juggcash sites were a big hit during those times overthere too, I was there first with their galls, only to be followed by the Juggcash owners half year later

. Everybody with half brain could make money on Thehun at that time, but now to make money there or on the tubes, you have to have two brains and thats not my case

Juicy D. Links · 05-25-2011, 03:42 PM

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 05:38 PM

market economy + capitalism + perfect competition + copy/paste = free porn

aint much you can do about it!

When I get in power I'll make copyright laws only 2 years, so there's 2 parrallel markets
1 = FREE Old Stuff
2 = Pay For Recent Media

Windows 7 should just about be ready for free download by now!

Vjo · 05-25-2011, 06:31 PM

Paul, everybody is an affiliate of something incl most of the biggest pay ops. I agree on some of your points except the whole anti affil thing.

Surely you are an affil of something. Affiliate marketing is like social networking. We damn near all are affilliates and some also wear many other hats.

Most affils follow the terms of the prog so the affil does nothing but good for the payop.

Yes if there were no affils there would be waaay less content given free. Woulda-coulda-shoulda.. affils are here so your arguments are all hypothetical.

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vjo

Paul, everybody is an affiliate of something incl most of the biggest pay ops. I agree on some of your points except the whole anti affil thing.

Surely you are an affil of something. Affiliate marketing is like social networking. We damn near all are affilliates and some also wear many other hats.

Most affils follow the terms of the prog so the affil does nothing but good for the payop.

Yes if there were no affils there would be waaay less content given free. Woulda-coulda-shoulda.. affils are here so your arguments are all hypothetical.

Getting men to look at porn is a no brainer. It's about as easy as getting them to turn their heads when an attractive woman walks past them. Getting men to buy porn is pretty easy as well. Prior to the days sponsors and affiliates saturated the Internet with free porn, it's very likely 1%-2% of US & UK men bought porn. Every month. The distribution and sales figures of any porn product show this.

Now with free porn the % figure isn't even 0.1%

Creating the barrier of free porn, devastated sales. It made people like Robbie a multi millionaire and created these "online porn marketing experts.

The affiliate system was the biggest mistake online porn ever made. Online porn spent a lot of money building a reason for people not to buy porn. It made the affiliate the most important pert of the business.

It even created the myth that traffic was king. In porn it's not, getting traffic to porn is something anyone can do.

This is all that's needed to get people to a porn site.

Astral Blue

Retro porn I shot in the UK during the 80 and 90s.

Having people putting out adverts, directions to a paysite is all thats required. Getting guys to do it in house is fine. Giving affiliate 5% and just banners is fine.

Once you start going down this route.

http://gallery.teenpinkvideos.com/teens/1010/2/ where you need 1,000 (approx) views to get a sale.

You end up here.

http://gals.dancingbear.com/hun/db7850-1/ where you need 2,000 (approx) views to get a sale.

Then here.

http://gals.dancingbear.com/hun/db7850-1/ where you need 5,000 (approx) views to get a sale.

And the cost of this free porn is taken out of the product being sold. Which results in less people buying.

And me telling you 10 years after I started to tell you it was a fucked up system. Saying;

I TOLD YOU SO.

Traffic isn't King. Content is. Because it's the content, gallery, tube in a banner that gets a click to a paysite. It's the content on the tour that gets a sale and it's the content in the members area that keeps buyers buying.

If you need 1,000 people to look at porn to get a sale, you're doing something seriously wrong.

But you guys no so much more than me. Let's face it, you knew how to fuck up online porn.

Now tell me without traffic a site doesn't get a sale.

Even with traffic, now it's pretty hard and getting harder to get a sale.

DamianJ · 05-26-2011, 04:19 AM

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So what's that? Spend more on content and stop giving away free porn?

Amazing!

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

So what's that? Spend more on content and stop giving away free porn?

Amazing!

Or we could keep paying failed marketing men so they can pay the rent.

Thanks for all the bumps, where do I send the check?

DamianJ · 05-26-2011, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Any Americans confused about the definition irony, that was a great example.

This PSA was brought to you by OldManShoutingAtCloud LLC.

2MuchMark · 05-26-2011, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I'll tell you what. My banners are flying on one of the big tubes, i will post some stats if the campaign is finished, then you will be able to KNOW if ads on tubes arent worth the dollars.

Beats "guesswork", dont you think?

Hi Jack,

I'd be interested in seeing stats too, but not just hits. Would you be able to:

- Show what tube site(s) you advertise on?
- Show which ads worked and which ads did not?
- Show your ad(s) with the landing page(s) it goes to?
- Show impressions vs clicks vs conversions?
- Google Analytics reports?

We get pitched by Tube site ad sellers often but the pitch is always the same. When I ask for free trials or detailed stats I never get it. When I ask for proof that it works the answer is always "Well, Mega site blahblah is our biggest customer so we have to be good". Of course they always say that their content is legal, but when I check their site out I usually find some questionable stuff as well as a "submit your own video" button.

Grrrr, tube sites.

Roald · 05-26-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Hi Jack,

I'd be interested in seeing stats too, but not just hits. Would you be able to:

- Show what tube site(s) you advertise on?
- Show which ads worked and which ads did not?
- Show your ad(s) with the landing page(s) it goes to?
- Show impressions vs clicks vs conversions?
- Google Analytics reports?

We get pitched by Tube site ad sellers often but the pitch is always the same. When I ask for free trials or detailed stats I never get it. When I ask for proof that it works the answer is always "Well, Mega site blahblah is our biggest customer so we have to be good". Of course they always say that their content is legal, but when I check their site out I usually find some questionable stuff as well as a "submit your own video" button.

Grrrr, tube sites.

Now lets say something crazy and pretend he was having great conversions (impossible I know I know), do you really think he would be stupid enough to post that requested data?

Just wondering ;))

2MuchMark · 05-26-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'll tell you how to prove it.

Sign up as an affiliate to a paysite of your choice. And someone well known to the board and who will verify your earning. 50% REV. Put their advert on your Tube.

Hi Paul,

To me this idea makes total sense. If a product or service works, free trials should be available. And a 50% REV or PPS is more than a generous offer to any tube site as a test of their traffic. In fact if a tube site works as well as many claim that it does, PPS or REV could be worth more to them than flat rate.

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 08:21 AM

Paul Markham gives content a bad name.

When porn was 1) forbbiden and 2) the means to make porn expensive of course the profits to be made were big.

As the means of shooting porn become available to all, as the internet made it possible foe all to distribute with little risk so the amount rises and the prices fall.

The high price before reflected the risk and high cost of production.

The use of ratios in meaningless as people visit many sites, hundreds over the months, the more the internet gats used show this will show as increased visitors. 1 in a 1000 buying on one site is meaningless, they may have already bought before will buy on another site. There are thousands of sites to choose from and they will make the figures go up as people check them out.

I have bought 3 memberships from 3 sites over the last 2 years and I have visited 1000s of sites, so I am a ratio of a 1000 to one ! If people are on a pay site and they stay on it for more than a few minutes it is because they are interested and may buy, now or in the future.

Making traffic and getting know is difficult as it is expensive and the competition is strong.

Content is important and the more value and creativity is added to the product the easier it is to sell.

rogueteens · 05-26-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

I have bought 3 memberships from 3 sites over the last 2 years and I have visited 1000s of sites, so I am a ratio of a 1000 to one !

But is the reason why you haven't brought more memberships is because you know that you can get it for free from elsewhere?

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Hi Paul,

To me this idea makes total sense. If a product or service works, free trials should be available. And a 50% REV or PPS is more than a generous offer to any tube site as a test of their traffic. In fact if a tube site works as well as many claim that it does, PPS or REV could be worth more to them than flat rate.

The reason is simple, they want more for their ads than affiliate links would earn.

The sad part is the clowns who jump to their tune.

If they said fuck off, the Tubes would disappear. Or have to be supported by Dating and cam sites. Those fuckers profit from the content of video producers without paying for the cost of producing the content.

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Paul Markham gives content a bad name.

Well it's been giving porn a bad name for a very long time.

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When porn was 1) forbbiden and 2) the means to make porn expensive of course the profits to be made were big.

You are totally fucking clueless. Porn was not forbidden in the US, where I sold. It was not hard to produce. It was hard to sell crap porn. The Internet changed that. Prior to the Internet you would be some amateur photographer who joined a camera club so he could shoot girls on the cheap. No one would buy your stuff from what I've seen. And that's why you think the costs were high.

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As the means of shooting porn become available to all, as the internet made it possible foe all to distribute with little risk so the amount rises and the prices fall.

The means of shooting porn was available to all. The means of selling was open to all. It's just the required level was way above you.

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The high price before reflected the risk and high cost of production.

Therefore justified by the high return on the cost. Model $300, film $300, make up $200, location $100, equipment, add ons, etc $100-$200. = $1,000.

2 sets = $6,000. Profit $5,000.

Seriously if you were any bloody good, the investment was paltry. Few product return a 500% profit.

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Making traffic and getting know is difficult as it is expensive and the competition is strong.

Getting men to look at porn is as easy as getting them to drink beer. Your problem is you need so many to look at your site before someone will buy.

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Content is important and the more value and creativity is added to the product the easier it is to sell.

Agreed. Then you should try to shoot something with value and creativity. Not the worthless ordinary to bad crap I posted.

cherry, you're a crap shooter. As far as Erotic porn is concerned you're clueless. The images on your tour prove that. The images I showed proved I've more of a clue on how to shoot erotic porn than you will ever have.

Post what you've shot and consider erotic and I'll do the same. We can have a competition.

Start a new thread though, or keep it here. You were owned and didn't have the common sense to quit when you had lost.

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

But is the reason why you haven't brought more memberships is because you know that you can get it for free from elsewhere?

Wrong, one reason is I joined a site and download all the movies there, I think about 50 videos, one year on I still havn't finished watching them all.

I look at the tubes but the quality is really poor and the content old, also keep getting taken off to other crap sites and casino pop ups can get annoy.

A woodman video has some nice girls but no close ups, and it goes on and on... it really its poor stuff...

The Porn Nerd · 05-26-2011, 10:58 AM

The #1 problem with buying ads is cost. Yes I am BRILLIANT! LOL But here's what I mean:

You can "test" some ad buys on this site or that site but once the money is spent POOF! it's gone, so you sit there and hope for your ROI. So, in the end, to find something that's profitable TO YOU it may take many trials and errors, and cost....how much? After the fourth or fifth attempt at buying ads, and losing thousands in the process, many would give up and not feel it's worth it. Get a great ROI on your first few ads and you may continue. Tough game tho and ya need deep pockets to make it work long-term (or at all).

Cherry7 · 05-26-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You are totally fucking clueless

cherry, you're a crap shooter. As far as Erotic porn is concerned you're clueless. The images on your tour prove that. The images I showed proved I've more of a clue on how to shoot erotic porn than you will ever have.

.

Do you not think there is a problem when you are the witness judge and jury ?

You choose the pictures you want to compare, then announce yours are better.

you don't even ask a neutral third party to judge...you are that arrogant.

You prove things to yourself.

If you want people to respect you and your opinions you have to earn them, being rude, ignorant, arrogant and stupid is now way to go about it.

Paul Markham · 05-26-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Do you not think there is a problem when you are the witness judge and jury ?

You choose the pictures you want to compare, then announce yours are better.

you don't even ask a neutral third party to judge...you are that arrogant.

You prove things to yourself.

If you want people to respect you and your opinions you have to earn them, being rude, ignorant, arrogant and stupid is now way to go about it.

These were pictures on your tour, if you didn't put your best work on the tour. Then I'm sorry I judged them so harshly. The offer is still open, a poll between you and me of who shoots the most erotic stills. You and I can post the work we think reflects our most erotic shots. And people can vote.

I pointed out the problems. These are very basic problems. The opinions are of course my own. But a stubbly pussy, appendix scar, dumb look on a girls face or even a girl squinting because of the sun are erotic too very few people. Framing is simple, if you want to crop crop properly. If you want a soft focus picture, use a filter.

If you have to ask a jury about these things. They are not judgments. They are fact.

Is just simple picture of a girls pussy erotic or is it just meat? IMO it's just meat, it has to be be with a bit of sauce and sizzling to make it erotic. If you get what I mean.

We're not butchers, we're chefs. We prepare the meat so it's delectable and people want to enjoy it. We make them hungry. Just dishing up the meat isn't going to cut it like it should.

Which one is the more appealing?

One is a meal, the other meat.

If you want respect, you have to earn it. Try showing us some stills worthy of respect.

05-25-2011, 09:39 AM	#51
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	fiddy good signs __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

05-25-2011, 09:41 AM	#52
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,658	I just finished a two-week "test run" on a major tube. $5000 (and I got a deal). Lost about $2000 on the ad. LOL So going for PPC now, instead of pre-paid ad spots. Better bang for your buck there. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

05-25-2011, 10:31 AM	#55
shade001 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 396	Paul, even when you make a decent point you just repeat the same shit over and over. Last edited by shade001; 05-25-2011 at 10:33 AM..

05-25-2011, 11:37 AM	#58
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Tube sites are ringing people in the Czech Republic ? From the USA ? Wow.... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

05-25-2011, 12:17 PM	#59
NetHorse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,526	Paul, you're obsessed with tubes. Let it go pal. __________________ ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ ICQ # 427013273

05-25-2011, 10:27 AM	#54
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	What are you smoking

05-25-2011, 12:22 PM	#60
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	wow reading advice from ppl who are fucking clueless is so frustrating.

05-25-2011, 12:27 PM	#61
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05-25-2011, 03:42 PM	#64
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992

05-25-2011, 05:38 PM	#65
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	market economy + capitalism + perfect competition + copy/paste = free porn aint much you can do about it! When I get in power I'll make copyright laws only 2 years, so there's 2 parrallel markets 1 = FREE Old Stuff 2 = Pay For Recent Media Windows 7 should just about be ready for free download by now!

05-25-2011, 06:31 PM	#66
Vjo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Happy 4th of July :) Posts: 6,082	Paul, everybody is an affiliate of something incl most of the biggest pay ops. I agree on some of your points except the whole anti affil thing. Surely you are an affil of something. Affiliate marketing is like social networking. We damn near all are affilliates and some also wear many other hats. Most affils follow the terms of the prog so the affil does nothing but good for the payop. Yes if there were no affils there would be waaay less content given free. Woulda-coulda-shoulda.. affils are here so your arguments are all hypothetical. Last edited by Vjo; 05-25-2011 at 06:37 PM..

05-26-2011, 08:21 AM	#74
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Paul Markham gives content a bad name. When porn was 1) forbbiden and 2) the means to make porn expensive of course the profits to be made were big. As the means of shooting porn become available to all, as the internet made it possible foe all to distribute with little risk so the amount rises and the prices fall. The high price before reflected the risk and high cost of production. The use of ratios in meaningless as people visit many sites, hundreds over the months, the more the internet gats used show this will show as increased visitors. 1 in a 1000 buying on one site is meaningless, they may have already bought before will buy on another site. There are thousands of sites to choose from and they will make the figures go up as people check them out. I have bought 3 memberships from 3 sites over the last 2 years and I have visited 1000s of sites, so I am a ratio of a 1000 to one ! If people are on a pay site and they stay on it for more than a few minutes it is because they are interested and may buy, now or in the future. Making traffic and getting know is difficult as it is expensive and the competition is strong. Content is important and the more value and creativity is added to the product the easier it is to sell. __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

05-26-2011, 10:58 AM	#79
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,658	The #1 problem with buying ads is cost. Yes I am BRILLIANT! LOL But here's what I mean: You can "test" some ad buys on this site or that site but once the money is spent POOF! it's gone, so you sit there and hope for your ROI. So, in the end, to find something that's profitable TO YOU it may take many trials and errors, and cost....how much? After the fourth or fifth attempt at buying ads, and losing thousands in the process, many would give up and not feel it's worth it. Get a great ROI on your first few ads and you may continue. Tough game tho and ya need deep pockets to make it work long-term (or at all). __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia