Interesting chat with a guy selling adverts on a Tube site. Is it a good sign? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 05-24-2011, 08:07 AM

I realised from the start this guy was selling something. Opening with some pleasant chat asking how I am, flattering me on my posts, telling me he's a newbie and learning a lot from me and more Blah, Blah. A newbie would be reading all the others telling me how I'm wrong, he wouldn't know how fucked up this business is.

Then he tells me he works for a porn Tube. So I'm thinking, he's not buying content or he would be offering me a price right away or asking for one.

So then he offers me ad space on the Tube site he works for.

I'm not interested in paying a Tube site to rape me. So I say no, politely as I can.

He then offers me a months trial. Paid up front.

I'm still not interested.

He then offers me a weeks trial and eventually 3 days.

I'm smell desperation.

I have realised by now this Tube site is losing advertisers and has space. Newbie guy with not enough sense to know I'm not the guy to ask to advertise on a Tube. He's thrown in the deep end with no training and floundering.

Yes they have space. 15% free space.

So I get the prices and I can see why they have free space. The cost of their advertising is so high. Few will make a profit from it.

Few have made a profit from it and now they have free space. They obviously didn't or they would have a clue how to sell it. Now advertisers have left and they have free space.

Is this a good sign for the future. Will the decline in online sales hit these guys in the pockets?

We can live in hope.

Juicy D. Links · 05-24-2011, 08:09 AM

2nd~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jack Sparrow · 05-24-2011, 08:11 AM

I'll tell you what. My banners are flying on one of the big tubes, i will post some stats if the campaign is finished, then you will be able to KNOW if ads on tubes arent worth the dollars.

Beats "guesswork", dont you think?

MaDalton · 05-24-2011, 08:12 AM

because every tube site is the same

Paul Markham · 05-24-2011, 08:16 AM

After I tell him Tubes are fucking up this business. He then asks me if I know what a cooper was or is?

I do, it's a guy who makes barrels. He then tells me when they invented the metal barrel it put 1,000s of coopers out of work. This he thinks illustrates porn Tube sites.

Yes I know he,s not the sharpest tool in the box.

What he doesn't realise is when they invented the metal barrel they didn't need wooden ones. Metal ones would do the job and sell all on their own.

Porn Tubes NEED porn sites to pay for their adverts. Without porn sites paying for the adverts Tubes sink.

It reminded me of the story of the frog and the scorpion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

Quote:

The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it stung, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and the scorpion stings the frog during the crossing, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature.

The fable is used to illustrate the position that the behavior of some creatures is irrepressible, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences.

And that's the nature of so many people online.

Giving away free content teaches the customer not to pay for porn, without customers paying for porn, no one buys porn.

The Scorpions sting worked instantly, free porn is catching up with us.

DamianJ · 05-24-2011, 08:18 AM

Paul Markham · 05-24-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I'll tell you what. My banners are flying on one of the big tubes, i will post some stats if the campaign is finished, then you will be able to KNOW if ads on tubes arent worth the dollars.

Beats "guesswork", dont you think?

I'll tell you how to prove it.

Sign up as an affiliate to a paysite of your choice. And someone well known to the board and who will verify your earning. 50% REV. Put their advert on your Tube.

Then let us all see the results.

Otherwise you're just spamming.

Great site.

http://www.myfreeporncams.com/exports/golive/?AFNO=gfy

marketsmart · 05-24-2011, 08:22 AM

what is the going price for banners on a tube with decent traffic?

i am thinking about doing some tests with mainstream sites..

.

ottopottomouse · 05-24-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

you're just spamming

Ross · 05-24-2011, 08:25 AM

I think I know who it was who hit you up. I'd love to know for sure tho, feel like emailing me the site name so I can verify?

Sid70 · 05-24-2011, 08:27 AM

i dont believe in banner advertisement. I never belived in that tho i did more then 15k banners. Eventually affiliates understood that and stopped asking for banner work, so i had to start a new business venture.

Jack Sparrow · 05-24-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'll tell you how to prove it.

Sign up as an affiliate to a paysite of your choice. And someone well known to the board and who will verify your earning. 50% REV. Put their advert on your Tube.

Then let us all see the results.

Otherwise you're just spamming.

Great site.

http://www.myfreeporncams.com/exports/golive/?AFNO=gfy

See, there you go again old man.

You dont really WANT to hear about tubes. I am talking about banners to our own paysites, you just went ahead and assumed it was for the whitelabel in my signature. You think I need to spam a whitelabel? Our programs are on invite only, so much for spamming dumbwit.

Maybe you should think about retiring, instead of getting your bloodpressure all pumped up because someone hit you up about some tube.

You arent making any money any more, because you didnt adapt.

Ask someone to roll you to that old muffy room where you hide your stash of paper magazines, take a chillpill and put up the tune of "those where the days".

Niktamer · 05-24-2011, 08:41 AM

dont buy ads on tube, you wont make any cash... its only trouble and money waste..

;)

iamtam · 05-24-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

After I tell him Tubes are fucking up this business. He then asks me if I know what a cooper was or is?

I do, it's a guy who makes barrels. He then tells me when they invented the metal barrel it put 1,000s of coopers out of work. This he thinks illustrates porn Tube sites.

Yes I know he,s not the sharpest tool in the box.

What he doesn't realise is when they invented the metal barrel they didn't need wooden ones. Metal ones would do the job and sell all on their own.

Porn Tubes NEED porn sites to pay for their adverts. Without porn sites paying for the adverts Tubes sink.

It reminded me of the story of the frog and the scorpion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

The fable is used to illustrate the position that the behavior of some creatures is irrepressible, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences.

And that's the nature of so many people online.

Giving away free content teaches the customer not to pay for porn, without customers paying for porn, no one buys porn.

The Scorpions sting worked instantly, free porn is catching up with us.

there is always an idiot willing to cover up theft and fucking up a business model with progress. they stopped making dollars of income so they could pick up the shiny penny. idiots.

TubeSubmitters · 05-24-2011, 08:49 AM

thanks for all that waste of time, move along nothing worth reading here

Paul Markham · 05-24-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

what is the going price for banners on a tube with decent traffic?

i am thinking about doing some tests with mainstream sites..
.

You need something that really sells.

Size
300x250
Price $8,000.00
Daily Impressions 1,124,698
CPM $0.24

$8,000 = 140 2 x month joins. sounds easy, except with the same surfers coming back day after day. Or every other day. It might be tough. You would need to convert something like 1-10,000 of their surfers. Not 1-10,000 clicks on the banner, actual surfers.

The fact they are trying to sell space with some newbie salesman, tells me they never had a problem selling before. He sounds desperate and they might be losing advertisers. All speculation, but I'm speculating on the positive side.

Seems to me there are far easier ways to sell or fill empty advertising space.

Trying to sell the the products you're teaching surfers not to buy. Sounds about as fucked up a system as ever in marketing or selling. It only just worked, until Tubes hit the mix. This sites traffic has gone from no where to a very nice position.

Paul Markham · 05-24-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

See, there you go again old man.

You dont really WANT to hear about tubes. I am talking about banners to our own paysites, you just went ahead and assumed it was for the whitelabel in my signature. You think I need to spam a whitelabel? Our programs are on invite only, so much for spamming dumbwit.

Maybe you should think about retiring, instead of getting your bloodpressure all pumped up because someone hit you up about some tube.

You arent making any money any more, because you didnt adapt.

Ask someone to roll you to that old muffy room where you hide your stash of paper magazines, take a chillpill and put up the tune of "those where the days".

So it's all secret and we have no idea if you're telling the truth or just bullshitting. Now I wonder what it is?

I go for;

JFK · 05-24-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Niktamer

dont buy ads on tube, you wont make any cash... its only trouble and money waste..

;)

Spoken like a true Crackhead

CamChameleon · 05-24-2011, 10:38 AM

Come on Paul name the source or at least the company it came from!

kbauerctu · 05-24-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Niktamer

dont buy ads on tube, you wont make any cash... its only trouble and money waste..

;)

I see what you did there.

merina0803 · 05-24-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kbauerctu

I see what you did there.

http://media.etology.com/bannerimg/173204/v1/173204.png

Far-L · 05-24-2011, 11:03 AM

Yes.

Everyone must stop buying tube traffic and follow Paul's lead.

Now.

Right now.

There is no other way. Anyone who doesn't do it now is condemned to slow internet death by a thousand gallons of board piss.

We will be happy to take care of the poor delusional tube traffic hordes in the meantime.

Jack Sparrow · 05-24-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So it's all secret and we have no idea if you're telling the truth or just bullshitting. Now I wonder what it is?

I go for;

Yeah i guess your post is really not to vague either lol.
But hey indeed dont buy adspace on tubes, they suck!

2intense · 05-24-2011, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I'll tell you what. My banners are flying on one of the big tubes, i will post some stats if the campaign is finished, then you will be able to KNOW if ads on tubes arent worth the dollars.

Beats "guesswork", dont you think?

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Yes.

Everyone must stop buying tube traffic and follow Paul's lead.

Now.

Right now.

There is no other way. Anyone who doesn't do it now is condemned to slow internet death by a thousand gallons of board piss.

We will be happy to take care of the poor delusional tube traffic hordes in the meantime.

So fucking the rest of the business is fine.

Tubes only exist because idiots by ads on them. No ads, no Tubes. Unless they send traffic only to themselves.

No Tubes ratios return to something a little bit more decent.

Yes if no one else buys Tube ads, you can buy them all. Good luck making money from that scheme.

Should the balance of Tube surfers topple from barely profitable per 1,000 surfers. to barely profitable per 10,000 surfers. Will you pay more for the ads to pay for them?

Only you know if your ratios are improving or worsening on Tube traffic ads. If the history of the Internet is anything to go by, my guess is they are getting worse. If this guy is looking for advertisers he should be hitting you up. His advertisers who left weren't that impressed.

This Tube site has empty space and desperate to get advertisers, they're throwing some newbie at the problem. This indicates they don't have experience selling ad space and now they do and don't know how to solve the problem.

Canvassing someone who hates Tubes, shows the intelligence of the canvasser. Employing someone who does it show even more.

What if Tubes do turn out to be too expensive to run, to support the costs by adverts?

Maybe that won't be good for you. Affiliates might remember. They might think "millions of people must of seen this site and bought or not bought. What's the odds on my traffic converting with them now?"

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You need something that really sells.

Size
300x250
Price $8,000.00
Daily Impressions 1,124,698
CPM $0.24
.

That's XVideos.com

Any tubes want 90% of all the lifetime profit they send to CamGirls.com,

and you'll make bank doing that! hit me up [email protected]

You get 35% Revshare to an unsaturated Category Killer Camgirls site.

Being asking 2 years for a little traffic!

hdkiller · 05-25-2011, 02:35 AM

If that xvideos then the spot must be shared with others. Anyways i think it's a bit extensive but who knows if the GEO is ubergood...

As far as i know the spots on the large tubes are booked for months, i don't feel like advertisers are vanishing

Jakez · 05-25-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross

I think I know who it was who hit you up. I'd love to know for sure tho, feel like emailing me the site name so I can verify?

Does it really matter? lol. There are thousands of tubes and site owners so who cares what 'some guy' at 'some tube' said?

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 02:58 AM

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300x250 video page banner (2nd Cube)

Xnxx.com and xvideos.com

5% rotation
30 days
50 million impressions a month, 8 million uniques
Cost: $7425.00

Hope I'm not breaching any confidential info with my broker here!

Jack Sparrow · 05-25-2011, 04:11 AM

So i guess your plan to put tubes in a bad daylight to try and prvend people to buy ads on them backfired huh.

Go fish or something.

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

That's XVideos.com

Any tubes want 90% of all the lifetime profit they send to CamGirls.com,

and you'll make bank doing that! hit me up [email protected]

You get 35% Revshare to an unsaturated Category Killer Camgirls site.

Being asking 2 years for a little traffic!

No it's not.

When I suggested if they had empty space they put up an ad and just use an affiliate code the guy said no.

I suspect they want more than an affiliate, even a whale, would earn.

Great way to run an industry. Build sites, shoot content of a product that a lot of men can't seem to live without. Then build a barrier between the seller and the buyer so those that run the barrier call the tune. And the barrier becomes the biggest reason, not to buy.

Fuck me, I know nothing about marketing because that sounds like the most fucked up system invented.

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 04:37 AM

They could join anyone's AP.

It takes 3 months to get returns on advertising with REVSHARE, PPS is a half way pay as you go / pay up front system.

Cash for the advertising space gives them more buying power + guarantee.

I'm hoping Camgirls.com might be the exception, what better AP to plug on a tube site?

DamianJ · 05-25-2011, 05:32 AM

Paul, hun, if you don't want to buy the ad or can't afford it, don't buy it.

Simple eh?

No need to keep ranting about how shit tubes are to people that don't care about your opinion.

Go take the puppy to the playground. I bet he knows the way there on his own now! LOL!!!11oneone

<Insert shouting at cloud pic here>

hdkiller · 05-25-2011, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Hope I'm not breaching any confidential info with my broker here!

who is your broker?

5% rotation = 50M impressions? so, 100% 1000M impressions per month, so total is like 33M impressions per day on both site together? Seems fair. I guess, it's something like 150k for that spot per month. Not bad. And that's only the second cube...

GTS Mark · 05-25-2011, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

LOL!

lagcam · 05-25-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I realised from the start this guy was selling something because...........

.......he had called me. Nobody ever calls me unless they are selling something or chasing payment of something....or it's a wrong number, or they think it's still 1980.

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

who is your broker?

5% rotation = 50M impressions? so, 100% 1000M impressions per month, so total is like 33M impressions per day on both site together? Seems fair. I guess, it's something like 150k for that spot per month. Not bad. And that's only the second cube...

I doubt they'd give a uniques figure for the 5% rotation.

100% = 50M impressions is my guess.

But 20 X $8K/month = $160K/month.

Say $200K/month for the top spot, plus another $150K all other spots...

$500,000 a month pure profit!

None of them will power up CamGirls.com for me though, too rich already.

hdkiller · 05-25-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

I doubt they'd give a uniques figure for the 5% rotation.

100% = 50M impressions is my guess.

But 20 X $8K/month = $160K/month.

Say $200K/month for the top spot, plus another $150K all other spots...

$500,000 a month pure profit!

None of them will power up CamGirls.com for me though, too rich already.

um, yeah, but well, i guess 50M impressions is just the 5% of the total impressions per month, that makes sense. The unique number is strange a bit, because with the same math you will end up around 8-10 pageviews /just roughtly/ on an avarage user. But, if it's really two sites together, that makes this number even harder to polish.

Anyways, not bad.. so who is this broker? JFYI: it's absolutely not nice to share these kind of stat on public forum like this when it's came from a third party.

AnimeFevers · 05-25-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

2nd~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But you were 1st

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

They could join anyone's AP.

It takes 3 months to get returns on advertising with REVSHARE, PPS is a half way pay as you go / pay up front system.

Cash for the advertising space gives them more buying power + guarantee.

I'm hoping Camgirls.com might be the exception, what better AP to plug on a tube site?

Who gives afuck if the affiliates don't make a living, besides affiliates?

They're not the industry, they contribute little, they take a lot.

Tubes are the worse. Just parasites sucking off what's left of the industry.

The problem was when people thought they needed to give away porn to sell porn. About as stupid an idea ever thought up. Today now the affiliates run the industry to suit affiliates and the customers are voting. Because idiots don't realise if they didn't buy ads, Tubes would disappear and sales would rocket.

Yes screaming at clouds. If something is wrong. some stick their ass in the open and spread their cheeks and tell you how bright they are "adapting". Others shot at what wrong.

All I hope is those with their asses in the air get them reamed without lube. If Tubes teach people not to buy porn, surviving by selling porn might not always work. Traffic that buys isn't a bottomless pit.

And this is what it's all about.

How many of the visitors are uniques per month?

How many just rub one out and move on?

How many have bought something, not been satisfied and won't buy again?

How much of the growth is from people or countries who can buy.

Tubes have been around for 3 years. They might be the future of porn, they might be the demise of porn. And they might be their own suicide pill.

Giving away porn for free to sell porn sounded like a great idea to some 10 years ago. Today it's impact is obvious.

Nick-Mindgeek · 05-25-2011, 07:44 AM

This thread is hilarious.

Guys, traffic is very simple. If a given traffic spot converts well ( due to high density of buyers on that site / good geo breakdown / 'x' factor ) the price will reflect it. Same if the spot is not good. Market Value usually catches up and that's the price. It is not a matter of tubes making sales or not. Of course they make sales or else nobody would be buying their spots. I think that's fairly obvious if you just open your eyes

Stay one step ahead, innovate your product offering and any source will provide sales. Just because YOUR PRODUCT doesn't convert on tubes, doesn't mean that the problem is the tube traffic quality. It is likely that your product needs to be tweaked or thrown out altogether. There is nothing wrong with admitting your product sucks and can't sell on the market. What is very dangerous is living in denial and not hustling to bring innovation to the table.

That being said, we will buy and or work with all affiliates to make them more money than ever ! We have some crazy new products in the pipe

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

Anyways, not bad.. so who is this broker? JFYI: it's absolutely not nice to share these kind of stat on public forum like this when it's came from a third party.

Your fiduciary standards are somewhat mixed, give me info, don't give anyone info.

The stats were already posted, I just gave the site, better than all the blind guesswork disinformation you get, whooo tube prices!

cam_girls · 05-25-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Who gives afuck if the affiliates don't make a living, besides affiliates?

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When I suggested if they had empty space they put up an ad and just use an affiliate code the guy said no.

I thought YOU wanted a tube site to be your affiliate... I'm on a different wavelength here.

Don't understand what Brazzers is on about either using affiliates, their program, my program? WTF? They're not going to join someones affiliate program and get paid 30% of lifetime purchases get real. They wouldn't even buy CamGirls.com nor Manwin for a lousy $5M.

Oh right it's just a plug for Brazzers AP, out of context here...

Roald · 05-25-2011, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by neeko

This thread is hilarious.

Guys, traffic is very simple. If a given traffic spot converts well ( due to high density of buyers on that site / good geo breakdown / 'x' factor ) the price will reflect it. Same if the spot is not good. Market Value usually catches up and that's the price. It is not a matter of tubes making sales or not. Of course they make sales or else nobody would be buying their spots. I think that's fairly obvious if you just open your eyes

Stay one step ahead, innovate your product offering and any source will provide sales. Just because YOUR PRODUCT doesn't convert on tubes, doesn't mean that the problem is the tube traffic quality. It is likely that your product needs to be tweaked or thrown out altogether. There is nothing wrong with admitting your product sucks and can't sell on the market. What is very dangerous is living in denial and not hustling to bring innovation to the table.

That being said, we will buy and or work with all affiliates to make them more money than ever ! We have some crazy new products in the pipe

Nah........

DamianJ · 05-25-2011, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

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So hang on, someone tried to sell you an ad, and you didn't want to but it? Is that it?

Hehehe.

rogueteens · 05-25-2011, 08:31 AM

so the GFY group opinion now is that illegal tubes are good because they sell advertising space, is it? Everyone has forgotten their loss of SE places, falling conversions and surfers now knowing that they'll never need to pay for porn again?

Roald · 05-25-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

so the GFY group opinion now is that illegal tubes are good because they sell advertising space, is it? Everyone has forgotten their loss of SE places, falling conversions and surfers now knowing that they'll never need to pay for porn again?

whos saying that?

DamianJ · 05-25-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

whos saying that?

Mr S. Trawman

wehateporn · 05-25-2011, 09:06 AM

Back in 2007, the traffic on YouTube was very good for sales

Paul Markham · 05-25-2011, 09:37 AM

You haven't been in business very long have you?

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Originally Posted by neeko

Guys, traffic is very simple. If a given traffic spot converts well ( due to high density of buyers on that site / good geo breakdown / 'x' factor ) the price will reflect it. Same if the spot is not good. Market Value usually catches up and that's the price. It is not a matter of tubes making sales or not. Of course they make sales or else nobody would be buying their spots. I think that's fairly obvious if you just open your eyes

If a given spot on a Tube converts well today, no one knows how it will do tomorrow.

And that's the problem and has been for the last 10 years. As traffic grew, conversion ratios got worse. Today they're awful and the deluge of traffic doesn't hide that. Sales of a repeat buy product rely on customer satisfaction. You can't get that with traffic, ads or tweaking tours or banners. The product will be the only way to get customer satisfaction.

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Stay one step ahead, innovate your product offering and any source will provide sales. Just because YOUR PRODUCT doesn't convert on tubes, doesn't mean that the problem is the tube traffic quality. It is likely that your product needs to be tweaked or thrown out altogether. There is nothing wrong with admitting your product sucks and can't sell on the market. What is very dangerous is living in denial and not hustling to bring innovation to the table.

Yes, agree 100%. When will Brazzers start doing that?

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That being said, we will buy and or work with all affiliates to make them more money than ever ! We have some crazy new products in the pipe

If you really want to maximise profits and get the best affiliates with the best traffic. Work with customers. They decide whether they buy, stay or return. Not anyone else. Filling a bucket with a hole in the bottom doesn't work.

I hope your crazy new products are something innovative, different and appealing. Because God knows online porn needs it.

05-24-2011, 08:07 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Interesting chat with a guy selling adverts on a Tube site. Is it a good sign? I realised from the start this guy was selling something. Opening with some pleasant chat asking how I am, flattering me on my posts, telling me he's a newbie and learning a lot from me and more Blah, Blah. A newbie would be reading all the others telling me how I'm wrong, he wouldn't know how fucked up this business is. Then he tells me he works for a porn Tube. So I'm thinking, he's not buying content or he would be offering me a price right away or asking for one. So then he offers me ad space on the Tube site he works for. I'm not interested in paying a Tube site to rape me. So I say no, politely as I can. He then offers me a months trial. Paid up front. I'm still not interested. He then offers me a weeks trial and eventually 3 days. I'm smell desperation. I have realised by now this Tube site is losing advertisers and has space. Newbie guy with not enough sense to know I'm not the guy to ask to advertise on a Tube. He's thrown in the deep end with no training and floundering. Yes they have space. 15% free space. So I get the prices and I can see why they have free space. The cost of their advertising is so high. Few will make a profit from it. Few have made a profit from it and now they have free space. They obviously didn't or they would have a clue how to sell it. Now advertisers have left and they have free space. Is this a good sign for the future. Will the decline in online sales hit these guys in the pockets? We can live in hope. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-24-2011, 08:12 AM	#4
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,835	because every tube site is the same __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

05-24-2011, 08:27 AM	#11
Sid70 Downshifter Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Road trip Posts: 16,413	i dont believe in banner advertisement. I never belived in that tho i did more then 15k banners. Eventually affiliates understood that and stopped asking for banner work, so i had to start a new business venture. __________________ Русня, идите нахуй!

05-24-2011, 08:41 AM	#13
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	dont buy ads on tube, you wont make any cash... its only trouble and money waste.. ;) __________________

05-24-2011, 08:49 AM	#15
TubeSubmitters Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,683	thanks for all that waste of time, move along nothing worth reading here __________________ Buying sites with income, paying by paxum, hit me up

05-24-2011, 08:09 AM	#2
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	2nd~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

05-24-2011, 08:11 AM	#3
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	I'll tell you what. My banners are flying on one of the big tubes, i will post some stats if the campaign is finished, then you will be able to KNOW if ads on tubes arent worth the dollars. Beats "guesswork", dont you think?

05-24-2011, 08:18 AM	#6
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808

05-24-2011, 08:22 AM	#8
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	what is the going price for banners on a tube with decent traffic? i am thinking about doing some tests with mainstream sites.. .

05-24-2011, 08:25 AM	#10
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	I think I know who it was who hit you up. I'd love to know for sure tho, feel like emailing me the site name so I can verify?

05-24-2011, 10:38 AM	#19
CamChameleon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: EU Posts: 295	Come on Paul name the source or at least the company it came from!

05-24-2011, 11:03 AM	#22
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Yes. Everyone must stop buying tube traffic and follow Paul's lead. Now. Right now. There is no other way. Anyone who doesn't do it now is condemned to slow internet death by a thousand gallons of board piss. We will be happy to take care of the poor delusional tube traffic hordes in the meantime. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

05-25-2011, 02:35 AM	#27
hdkiller Full time cybermage Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 461	If that xvideos then the spot must be shared with others. Anyways i think it's a bit extensive but who knows if the GEO is ubergood... As far as i know the spots on the large tubes are booked for months, i don't feel like advertisers are vanishing

05-25-2011, 04:11 AM	#30
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	So i guess your plan to put tubes in a bad daylight to try and prvend people to buy ads on them backfired huh. Go fish or something.

05-25-2011, 04:37 AM	#32
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	They could join anyone's AP. It takes 3 months to get returns on advertising with REVSHARE, PPS is a half way pay as you go / pay up front system. Cash for the advertising space gives them more buying power + guarantee. I'm hoping Camgirls.com might be the exception, what better AP to plug on a tube site?

05-25-2011, 05:32 AM	#33
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	Paul, hun, if you don't want to buy the ad or can't afford it, don't buy it. Simple eh? No need to keep ranting about how shit tubes are to people that don't care about your opinion. Go take the puppy to the playground. I bet he knows the way there on his own now! LOL!!!11oneone <Insert shouting at cloud pic here>

05-25-2011, 07:44 AM	#41
Nick-Mindgeek Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 700	This thread is hilarious. Guys, traffic is very simple. If a given traffic spot converts well ( due to high density of buyers on that site / good geo breakdown / 'x' factor ) the price will reflect it. Same if the spot is not good. Market Value usually catches up and that's the price. It is not a matter of tubes making sales or not. Of course they make sales or else nobody would be buying their spots. I think that's fairly obvious if you just open your eyes Stay one step ahead, innovate your product offering and any source will provide sales. Just because YOUR PRODUCT doesn't convert on tubes, doesn't mean that the problem is the tube traffic quality. It is likely that your product needs to be tweaked or thrown out altogether. There is nothing wrong with admitting your product sucks and can't sell on the market. What is very dangerous is living in denial and not hustling to bring innovation to the table. That being said, we will buy and or work with all affiliates to make them more money than ever ! We have some crazy new products in the pipe __________________ Senior Director nick @ Adultforce.com

05-25-2011, 08:31 AM	#46
rogueteens So fucking bland Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England Posts: 8,005	so the GFY group opinion now is that illegal tubes are good because they sell advertising space, is it? Everyone has forgotten their loss of SE places, falling conversions and surfers now knowing that they'll never need to pay for porn again? __________________ Free traffic and backlinks from one of the fastest growing adult pinsites on the net - SAUCY PICTURES! Easily my best performing webcam sponsor - CLICK HERE!!

05-25-2011, 09:06 AM	#49
wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,176	Back in 2007, the traffic on YouTube was very good for sales __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing