merina0803

shes the bomb diggity!

iamtam

that is the excuse used by people who trip all over themselves to illegally download the no good material. if it is that bad stop pirating it.

gideongallery

post it then

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TheDoc

If you had the chance to prove me wrong you would jump on it.... but you can't.

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gideongallery

seriously you just claimed you had the entire thing right in front of you and that your response

1. i don't need to prove you wrong, you made my point for me with your claim that the case has nothing to do with copyright infringement.

2. i don't have the case in front of me right now, so i would have to make a trip into the office to get it.

you on the otherhand made a very powerful claim about having all 17 pages in front of you.

so i repeat post then

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TheDoc

Again... you would jump on the opportunity to prove me wrong, that is without a doubt.... and everyone here knows this.

Funny attempt to twist things, again though... but I only give you 1 out of 5 stars for it, the repeating of the same bullshit is dropping your score quickly.

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Quentin

For anyone interested in reading the GM complaint against Mongoose you can find it here.

And the core of it:

There's no copyright-related claim in the complaint.

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kane

I disagree. If I go to the store and buy a DVD and pay cash for it, I haven't given them any of my private information. Yes, I would be giving my information (or some form of it) to the company providing the service, but I don't see how that would violate privacy rights of the customer. If I go buy a gun I have to go through a background check, but the gun store didn't make the gun they are just distributing it.

By making me join a site that site is likely getting more of my personal information than any retail outlet would have especially if I paid in cash.








Here's the thing. Say one day all the major movie studios decided to get together and offer all of their customers free access to their content for means of backing up content they have already purchased. Do you think for a second they are going to do this without forcing the customers to prove they have purchased it in the past?

If they did this then systematically went after the torrent sites to have them remove all links to their content would you be fine with that. The studios are now providing you with exactly what you want so those people who are just backing up their content can get access to anything they would need which means the only people left using pirate sites would be people illegally downloading it.

halfpint

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Kimmykim

Wow, you are a moron.

If you're importing knockoff Gucci shit from Asia and you get caught selling it, you pay a fine or maybe go to jail.

Intellectual property is no different than physical property. In the case above, it's stealing someone's design and then lying about the maker that's the problem.

How is that different than stealing someone's intellectual property, ie song, movie, etc and reselling it for profit?

Buy a copy of Windows or some such and knock it off then sell it... again, get caught and see if you don't get in trouble.

gideongallery

please people register software all the time

cd could have a login code printed on the back.

tv stations could print a login id on bill (rogersondemand.com)

store have loyalty programs which track your purchases and give you rewards

for an overwhelming majoirity of transactions this problem will not be an issue.


even your worst case senerio (above) is way better then spreading out that personal information to every single torrent site so they have the ability to "verify the buyers"






as long as they make it easy enough that people don't care

or

cover 100% of the cost of the verification



sure i don't care who get the ad views if it my fair use right is provided for free.

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L-Pink

Is there anyone in the world cheaper than you? Anyone ?

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kane

I would imagine that if a site like The Pirate Bay went to the major movie studios and proposed a system like you describe that would allow people to verify that they have purchased the content so they were eligible for free backup downloads and thus prove that every download on the site is legit the studios would jump at that, offer to pay the cost and endorse it.

The reason it will never happen is because beyond TV shows I think almost all of the downloading that goes on in these sites is illegal and the site owners know it and if they were to go legit their traffic would drop to nothing. It is much more profitable for them to service the millions who download illegally while hiding behind the idea that a few are downloading legally and their rights shouldn't be trampled than it is to run a legitimate legal site and only service those with the right to actually download the content. Money talks and there is too much money in pirating for these guys to actually go legit. If the money would be the same they would have gone legit a long time ago instead of either fighting long, expensive legal battles or living in fear of being crushed at any time.

gideongallery

i have already paid for the content

fair use gives me the right to recover/timeshift that content for free


your demanding i pay twice for content i already paid for


i got a question for you are you willing to send me a check equal to all your expenses.

if not then you have someone just as "cheap" as me staring back at you every time you look in the mirror.

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gideongallery

why should the pirate bay be responsible for developing such a solution

if the copyright holders want such a solution they should pay for it first.



you refuse to recognize the supreme court declaration that copyright is a monopoly.

You keep arguing it not even though the highest court in the land explictly declared it as such

you keep arguing that movie studios should have a right to choose film projectors over bit torrent even though the courts have ruled that choosing broadcast over betamax tapes

or cd over mp3 was not allowed.

if copyright holders like yourself are not going to budge one bit and actually choose to deliberately go backwards on what the court have ruled

then the definition of going legit is bending over and taking it up the ass.

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kane

If every major film studio came to The Pirate Bay and offered this system to them to verify that their downloaders own the content they are downloading so they can be sure all downloads are legal and they paid to have the technology developed AND they paid for any cost to operating this system AND they covered any cost that the site would have in regards to running this system the site would still turn them down flat. We both know it. If they were forced to only supply their services to legit customers they wouldn't make nearly the amount of money they make now.



Relax, take your meds then once they have kicked in go back and read what I wrote again. Nowhere do I mention any of this. I simply stated that sites like The Pirate Bay will never work with studios to provide a legitimate service to customers because it is far more profitable to offer it to those who want it illegally.

If the studios themselves offered this service I mentioned so their customers could get backups of their content how much traffic do you think it would take away from a site like the Pirate Bay? Would it be as much as 1%? I doubt it. Why? Because most of the people (other than those downloading TV shows) are taking stuff they have never paid for and don't have the right to own. You insist on allowing an illegal enterprise to operate in the name of a tiny number of legit customers who are just backing up their content.

In theory if the studios provided free backups to those who can prove they own the content and free download of TV shows for those that can prove they paid for it/have access to it then realistically there would be no need for a site like The Pirate Bay to exist because all customers would have that service now available to them from the studios. Yet we both know The Pirate Bay and sites like it would continue to thrive and you would continue to support them.

gideongallery

your wrong

if all fair uses including access shifting was respected then bit torrent would just be another medium you could legally get your content

that a hell of a lot of people who could legally choose bit torrent as a medium.



you can make such a claim until you try

and again if access shifting was respected you would need the support

competition (legitimate bit torrent provider) would win.



53% of all torrent traffic is tv shows

and it growing every single year

there is no way in hell you can come to the conclusion it would only be 1% change in traffic

and the only reason it a "tiny number of legit customers" is because your deliberately lying about the numbers.


i only download content i paid for from bit torrent

i use bit torrent as a vcr

if the studios gave me the same benefit as bit torrent give me i would bother using the pirate bay


I am point blank saying if every fair use including access shift was fully supported by the copyright holders i would not support the pirate bay one bit

You have no right to call me a liar, and tell me what i think.

especially when i have already told you this before

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kane

If you had to choose which would you pick when it came to downloading your favorite TV show.

1. Download from a torrent site where no questions are asked and you get the show commercial free.

2. Download from a studio owned site where you had to prove you had access to the content (it would be fast and easy and once you registered you wouldn't have to do it every time so it wouldn't be a major burden), but the shows still had commercials in them. Obviously you can fast forward past them, but they would still be there.

Which option would you go with?

gideongallery

considering the fact that when mpaa argued in favor of banning the vcr after they lost one of their complaints was the fact that a person recording their favorite movie on tv could pause recording while the commercials were playing to get commercial free version as a "permenent" copy.

http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm

how stupid do you have to be to not realize the "Choice" you just gave me was another example of you trying to go backwards on the rights the court have already given me.

the courts didn't make pause buttons that only worked during playback

they did prevent the pausing while recording

they granted me the right to make my archive commercial free if i wanted it

how can you not see that your actually trying to take way that court granted right with your "choice"

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L-Pink

So a business should keep track of everything you buy from them incase you lose or damage your copy ? hahahahaha

gideongallery

as i said for most transaction it already happens

loyalty programs already track people purchases right now

it would take less then 15 lines of code to make any subscription based system (tv, paysite, etc) give you access until you quit.

it just a datequit < datecontentreleased > datestarted comparison to tell you which content a person has access too for their "permenent collection"

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gideongallery

correction is bolded

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Robbie

After some deep thought on this whole subject I have come to this conclusion:

gideongallery

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kane

so then let me rephase. your two options for downloading a TV show are:

1. Torrent,. no questions asked. commercial free show.

2. Studio supplied download site. The show is commercial free, but there is some type of authentication process in place to prove that you have the right to be downloading this material.

Which do you go with?

gideongallery

asuming it was equal it quaility

and the authentication process was no more intrusive then you originally talked about

number 2 every time

for the simple reason that i don't want to have to waste my time explaining to any copyright holder why i have a fair use right to use the pirate site (like i did when i got the letter regarding lost way back when)

i would rather spend those hours getting paid for working or spending the time with my family and friends enjoying myself.

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kane

Fair enough