Here's a good book, part of which explores the relationship between blacks and jews in NYC. Covers the first jazz movement up through Rick Rubin/Death Row Records.

http://www.amazon.com/Hip-History-Jo.../dp/0060528176

jews are much like muslims in the fact they see non-jews/non-muslims as unclean..

Racism is built into their religion.( like most religions )

Sorry, but that is TOTALLY FALSE.

Complete fail dude.

I would try asking a Rabbi sometime.








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"To begin with, every Gentile child, so soon as born, was to be regarded as unclean."

The Gentiles should, as far as possible, be altogether avoided, except in cases of necessity or for the sake of business. They and theirs were defiled; their houses unclean, as containing idols or things dedicated to idols. Their feasts and their joyous occasions were polluted by idolatry. You could not leave the room if a Gentile was in it because he might, carelessly or on purpose, defile the wine or food on the table, or the oil and wheat in the cupboard.

do not defile yourselves with them, because it will make you impure." (Vayikra 11:43)

Porn peddlers all make up shit because they're too stupid to research facts. See what I dis there?

that is like asking the easter bunny if santa clause is real :winkwink:

That Q is old like the bible :winkwink:

It's refreshing to know this moron understands the context of these verses. Oh wait:)

so you are saying the torah is a lie and contains no facts about jews ?

you guys are seriously going to argue that gentiles are clean and the torah makes no mention of them ? hahaha

sorry my bad the torah clearly says everyone is equal , gentiles are cool and everyone should have a great big party.

various writings from 2000 years ago by certain members of a religion (NOT from the Torah, OR the Talmud, by the way), can be quoted for EVERY religion, including Christianity, to make people think that this is what the religion is all about. Not only are these archaic writings of individuals, not accepted rules, but also Jews have always shown their religion to be one that is ALWAYS evolving, not only in the reform movement, but in the Conservative and even the Orthodox sects. Jews believe in constant discussion, debate and evolution of their faith.

Again, I know that anti-semite websites LOVE to quote this stuff, but they refuse to look at the actual facts of what Jews believe and how the religion works and constantly changes. (since it would not serve their agenda to do so, obviously)



Again, your post comes from an ignorant place.



Again, go ask a Rabbi, don't rely on neo-nazi anti-semite websites.
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That's what you got from my post? I never knew middle aged people can be this stupid. Then again, it's a trend on this forum.

Edit: thanks for the logical post gonzo but this guy is just too dumb.

``it is forbidden a Jew to unite himself to Gentiles, because they are suspected of shedding blood, and he may not join himself with them in the way; if he meets a Gentile in the way, he causes him to turn to the right hand; if they ascend by an ascent, or descend by a descent, the Israelite may not be below, and the Gentile above: but the Israelite must be above, and the Gentile below, lest he should fall upon him and kill him; and he may not go even with (or along side by him) lest he break his skull.''

pay close attention to where i said "Racism is built into their religion.( like most religions )"

notice how i said MOST not ALL as you have incorrectly stated..

all religions that are racist are equally stupid though , you have that part right:thumbsup

And again, various writings from 2000 years ago by certain members of a religion (NOT from the Torah, OR the Talmud, by the way), can be quoted for EVERY religion, including Christianity, to make people think that this is what the religion is all about. Not only are these archaic writings of individuals, not accepted rules, but also Jews have always shown their religion to be one that is ALWAYS evolving, not only in the reform movement, but in the Conservative and even the Orthodox sects. Jews believe in constant discussion, debate and evolution of their faith.

Again, I know that anti-semite websites LOVE to quote this stuff, but they refuse to look at the actual facts of what Jews believe and how the religion works and constantly changes. (since it would not serve their agenda to do so, obviously)



Again, your post comes from an ignorant place.



Again, go ask a Rabbi, don't rely on neo-nazi anti-semite websites.



You won't find one SINGLE Rabbi that believes in, or teaches, the stuff you are quoting, not even from the Hasidim, (who I personally find kind of wacky). Those articles were universally rejected by Jews a long long time ago, as part of the evolution of the religion.



How can you not understand this? Are you that blinded by your own clinging to a certain world view that no reality can shake it?



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As usual, qft. Good post

Some quotes from the Talmud, a Jewish book kept up to date by Rabbis, I was just told to look in the Talmud by a Rabbi and shown links to these sites:

Just saying, it does seem like the Jews think non-Jews are dirty.

They also say it is okay to kill a non-Jew, lie to a non-Jew, steal and cheat a non-Jew - this could be why people have hated them so much throughout history. It is because they hate people to start, de facto, if they are a non-Jew.

I have nothing against Jews, but I think that anyone who believes that they are any better or any different than anyone else because they are Jewish is an idiot, a racist, a bigot and a fool. People like bonzo and TheDemon are just two idiots in that bunch, two guys who think they are 'chosen' by ANY definition of the word and are clearly mistaken as proven obvious by their lack of intelligence.

haaretz.com

those guys are raging anti-semites i suppose ?

i posted my opinion and backed it up with cold hard facts from a jewish website


so the leading jewish website on the internet is "neo-nazi" and anti-semitic ? lol

you are funny.

you should be ashamed of yourself throwing out anti-semitic claims like they were rice at a wedding. I would bet your ancestors would be ashamed at the filth and hatred coming from your mouth.n I don't hate you or jews. You should learn to have a proper discussion instead of whipping yourself into a hatred filled frenzy about it.

Moe, you're a stupid sand hahahahahaha who amuses us with his towelhead rhetoric. Gonzo and I just spent an hour explaining how Jews don't think theyre better. Yet you show your stupidity once again by claiming we said the opposite. Good show.

Top rabbis move to forbid renting homes to Arabs, say 'racism originated in the Torah'
Dozens of Israel's municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling, which comes just months after the chief rabbi of Safed initiated a call urging Jews to refrain from renting or selling apartments to non-Jews.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...torah-1.329327


pay close attention to the website name HAARETZ , pay close attention to article title
RACISM ORIGINATED IN THE TORAH

pay close attention to the words "TOP RABBIS"

pay close attention to "Dozens of Israel's municipal chief rabbis signed on to the ruling"

pay close attention to the DATE of the article..

Ok, now THAT was Funny. Sincerely thank you for that! LMAO!!



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Ouchh looks like BONZO and DEMON got owned yet AGAIN.

You two are making Jews look bad. If I was a Jew I'd pretend I didn't know you two, I'd say look at those two Goyim pretending they're Jewish.

So many Jews are intelligent and can do so much, what happened to you two losers??

Oh the irony of smokeys statement lol

Moe, you've been making Muslims look bad for years, thanks for providing years of entertainment. You teach kids to stay in school.

Have nothing to say for yourself, goy?? Can only attack other people without coming up with something intelligent to say, goy?? You two are such goyim it disgusts me and I'm not even Jewish!

Not a Muslim, have said that before, but I figured a goy like you would need to hear it another time. Do your parents know you two pretend to be Jewish, goyim??

so your argument is i wont find one single rabbi and i found dozens of the top rabbis in the home of the jews

you argue the website is anti-semitic and neo-nazi even though it is the top jewish website in the world.

you argue the torah says everyone is equal , even though the top rabbi's in israel say RACISM ORIGINATED IN THE TORAH

And the self pwnage continues. Priceless:)

Fair enough.... Apparently there are some very screwed up Rabbi's out there. I'm ashamed of them, and my (Conservative) Rabbi would be ashamed also.



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Ohhhhhhhhhhh snnnnnnaaaaapppppppppp owwwnnnnnnneeeeddddd.

And it's not the Rabbis. They are your top religious leaders stating that the entire religion is based on racism. Judaism = racism. Ouch.

Looks like you are just another one of the goyim to those guys bonzo.

How does it feel to be one of us goyim??

those are the leading rabbi's in israel.. the people who speak for jews..

thank you for an honest retort though , as i said before i don't hate jews , i hate racists, most hardcore religious people are racist because most religions are based on racism/hatred, they are also based on love/equality , some people focus on the good , some the bad.. i love faith , i wish i could have more faith. i respect faith, i respect religion, i dont respect racists or racism.

They don't speak for Jews they just pretend they do.

the exit door is over there "demon" heh

Great movie. Totally forgot Billy Zane was in it. He's a cool guy.

I know but making you look dumb is just too much fun.

<3 SmokeyTheBear

There is no such thing as a "Top religious leader" in Judaism, every opinion is open to debate and development within the community..... No one is held to some kind of unchanging dogma, the conversation is forever ongoing....

and I thought the point of this discussion was an adult debate, not some high-school type locker room shout-down.

From the tone of your post I would have to assume that you would never change your mind or admit you are wrong in ANY debate. What's the point in discussion if your objective is "winning" rather than learning and expanding?



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well the people who "pretend" they speak for jews "worlds top rabbis" agree they are racists and the torah is racist. i understand the true speaker of the jews is on gfy.com and telling me that his opinion is more important than the top jewish figures :) i just find it a bit strange ok..:winkwink:

There are a lot of rabbis that represent the Jewish people. The ones you mentioned are a minority, thanks for proving my point.

Of course I would change my mind.

If you showed me that the Torah (the holy book of all Judaism) wasn't based on religion, I would agree that Judaism isn't a racist/bigoted religion.

My objective isn't winning, it's exactly what you said it is, to learn things.

But now let's reverse the question. You were clearly shown top Rabbis saying that the Torah is racist. All of Judaism is built on the Torah. And yet you still claim that Judaism isn't racist. Who doesn't want to change their point of view again? Who doesn't want to learn again?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

And you never answered my question, how does it feel to be a goyim??