Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18141102)

The actual facts are the "proven scientist" who has been in the forefront of denying vaccination links to diseases was recently arrested for embezzling money intended for research.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18141149)

I'm sure in bizzarro land this is pertinent.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18141149)

Well, I'll agree with you on the last part. Certainly you have an alternative to the widely accepted theory of evolution.

I won't hold my breath since your alternative is an alternative to the uncontroversial theory that you don't seem to understand. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18141149)

You have a habit of repeating the data that I put forth but following it up with outdated what-ifs and/or absurd analysis.

Perhaps you've been in a time warp since 2009, but this is 2011. As I said earlier, almost all of the loans associated with the extraordinary lending have been paid back with interest.

I take it you are not going to provide exactly the monies that are "still not accounted for"?

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18141149)

Ask who? I don't know of anyone who says there is no inflation. Inflation is actually a goal - both under normal conditions and especially in response to the deflation that was seen in 2009. Please cite the inflation numbers so we can see what you are looking at that is so out of line. :winkwink:

I'll check back later.
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18140974)

Yes we should. I had maybe 2-3 immunizations in my life. Just fine here. My son on the otherhand wasn't so lucky and has crohn's disease from being given immunizations.

Originally Posted by Lint (Post 18141262)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...s-disease.html

I guess you're not interested in the above. I'm sure homeopathy will cure Crohns.

What vaccine caused crohn's disease? Just curious... tried to search, but this is all I could find:

http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/11/883.abstract

"Conclusions: The incidence of hospitalised CD and UC remained stable over the 20 years, 1979 to 1998. Whatever caused the marked increases in CD and UC in the mid-20th century must itself have stabilised in this region. These results, together with those from other studies, provide strong evidence against measles vaccine causing CD or UC. "

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18140403)

I'm not arguing against anything that is proven, whether it is derived from nature with a long history or developed through modern research.

It is not an either / or proposition. Your argument is the same simpleton argument against vaccinations / immunizations. Should we get rid of those as well in your view?



Do you comprehend what you read? That is in direct contradiction to your statement about "Humans descending from Apes". Maybe you should read the whole wiki page.

"Scientists have estimated that humans branched off from their common ancestor with chimpanzees about 5?7 million years ago."



Conspiracy Theorists like you have used this video to allege the Fed has given this money away and have no idea where it went, which is absurd.

The Fed released all the documents to show exactly where every penny went following Bloomberg's legal action.

The vast majority of loans have been paid back in full plus interest. Why do you think the Federal Reserve's annual payment to the U.S. Treasury for 2010 set a record high of $79.3 billion and the payment to the U.S. Treasury for 2009 was over $47 billion?

The key point is that Ron Paul et al leave out the fact that the Fed made numerous short term loans throughout the financial crisis that amount to trillions when added together but they were not all outstanding at the same time.

If they told the whole story, their impact on nutters with tales of how the Federal Reserve "criminal organization" is throwing trillion dollar bills all over the place would lose its potency.



So do I, but that really doesn't settle anything, does it?

It seems to me that you are ignoring the facts, not me. Why don't you look at the transaction data for yourself? It can be found on the Federal Reserve website. Start here:

Fed balance sheet

Fed-assisted off balance sheet financial interventions

Archived Fed assisted emergency programs

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18141086)

not quite sure what to think of the guy, sure he talks a good talk about issues including a bloated government that does not work but the fact is he is a career politician- he's a part of the problem imo.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18134798)

Ron Paul has some great ideas but zero plans on how to actually implement what he says.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18141119)

Think about it.. Big Business in America is already killing this country and he wants to turn everything over to them.

Originally Posted by shade001 (Post 18141509)

You must not have spent more than five seconds listening to what he has to say if that's the best you can come up with.

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18141726)

The reason those evil big corporations have managed to become so big is thanks to government regulations and subsidies. Government regulations, patents etc are all designed to do 1 thing: make life miserable for small and medium size companies so that the quasi-monopolies of the large corporations don't get threatened.

Getting rid of those government regulations, subsidies etc would result in more competition, less waste, lower prices, better quality products and services,...

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18141163)

A lying thief is just that and all he will ever be. He has lots of company.

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 18141421)

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre (Post 18141426)

He's actually a doctor that got into politics... he won his first election because he delivered a tons of babies in his circonscription.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18140974)

Yes we should. I had maybe 2-3 immunizations in my life. Just fine here. My son on the otherhand wasn't so lucky and has crohn's disease from being given immunizations.




Apes, Monkeys, Chimpanzees, whatever.. I don't believe it and you do. Besides they've discovered humanoids older than 5-6 billion years and didn't revise their "proven science." "Proven science" can't explain the gene splicing's that occurred.





They only released the figures after a long legal battle because of who they were loaning the money to which was mostly foreign banks. All monies are still not accounted for. As you well know they work on a fractional reserve basis. So whatever monies said co-conspirators received was then multiplied at least 10 fold. Paying off a loan when you can multiply said loan by at least 10 is pretty easy to do.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18140314)

"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama. "

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...op-nomination/

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...42_ron_paul_41

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18141747)

You could say those regs/subs helped pull us from the pits of hells corps had put us into before those regs came along.

You guys might want to read some history starting at about 50 years ago. Only the completely crazy and those people absent minded of history would want to get rid of most corp regs.

In theory - it sounds nice, in reality - the corps were monster and abusing power and crushing the competition decades BEFORE the regs came along.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18142736)

Right, it's not pertinent.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18142736)

Not in the sense that you mean. And where's your explanation if its not creationism?

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18142736)

And I showed you that almost all the loans were of short duration, covering various time periods and that most have been paid off.

Your response was to inject FRB to assert yet another unsubstantiated claim.

I'll just assume you cannot provide exactly the monies that are not accounted for.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18142736)

Considering inflation is a goal, of course. It's not the only cause of price inflation, though.

And as it stands today, inflation is not a run away train. 0.4% in Jan, 2.1% in Feb, 2.7% Mar, Apr no details yet but slowing and a pretty big drop in May so far (energy / food commodity prices).

Maybe there's something you'd like to point out but considering he said that in early April he appears correct.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18143547)

links pauled.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18143745)

It is pertinent. These "proven scientists" will do or say anything to get funds. The global warming scam is the greatest example of that. This guy went beyond the realm of others and had the research funds deposited directly into his personal account.

I believe in some of the ancient mythology from which the bible was created. I already said I'm not getting into it.

It's impossible to track down trillions of dollars in transactions. I know that, you know that and they know that. Which is why the crooks are getting away with it. Also FRB is one of the main problems for me as well as Ron Paul. So yes it's obviously at the forefront of the argument.

Yes inflation (a hidden tax) is always the goal. You're quoting figures given by the crooks. You keep pointing to the crooks own website for your claims. You're welcome to believe everything they tell you. I obviously don't. That same website you keep pointing out says they aren't a private entity (and in the same sentence say shareholders cant sell their shares) and even you admit they are. So I guess you just accept them as part-time liars?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18143547)

links pauled.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

To summarize...

You believe in homeopathy, but not modern medicine, vaccinations or immunizations. Health professionals are “in on the conspiracy” apparently.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

You believe in some version of ancient mythology as an explanation for biological life rather than biological evolution, but you won’t elaborate. Scientists are part of a conspiracy to push biological evolution.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

You believe scientists are also involved in a conspiracy on global warming because they need “funds”.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

You claim there is trillions unaccounted for but you can’t point to any of it – you have mental earmuffs on since I gave you the links where it balances to the penny.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

You think FRB and the FED are a conspiracy / criminal organization. You don’t seem to understand what the FED is, the importance of central bank independence, or its' structure as quasi-governmental (private with government appointments) . I doubt you understand fractional reserve banking either.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

You think the inflation numbers are lies put forth by these same criminals. Target inflation is part of the conspiracy and worse than deflation. After all deflation makes things “cheaper” and that’s good.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18143996)

In other words?.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18141119)

Think about it.. Big Business in America is already killing this country and he wants to turn everything over to them.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18144045)

My ex, my sons mother, is a healthcare professional who gets paid to shoot other people up. She on the otherhand will not allow herself or her kids to be shot up any longer and hasn't for a number of years now.

Originally Posted by buzzard (Post 18144456)

Just suggestion to find some alternate verifiable information sources as opposed to the mainstream propaganda you're scared to let go of.

Belief in, and submission to a parasitical "authority" will give your family zero future :2 cents:

Originally Posted by wig (Post 18144998)

My cousins ex-husbands sisters daughter has a peanut allergy. Thus; peanuts are bad. They should be banned.

But it's worse still because:

1) You have no evidence to support your claim. All available studies on it are inconclusive.

2) Opposition to polio vaccines have led to outbreaks in many areas of the world -- making the "cure worse than the disease".