Anyone who uses meth is a piece of shit loser drug addict waste of skin!

I have no sympathy for them, they all made their own choice to do it so now they have to live or die with it.. Fuck em..

They should all be lined up and shot, dump them in acid baths.

Well shit, I'm gonna start cooking tomorrow then.


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Very interesting links, thanks man :thumbsup

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hitler was a chemist

that seems unlikely.

however, if you do, you will realize that the scary stuff you were told was bullshit, and that while meth is made with acids, bases, and solvents, it is not made out of them, nor does it contain them.

any construction site or company contains exactly the same acids, bases, and solvents. painting companies have much worse stuff. and auto finishing and detailing services even worse.

you don't even want to know what you will find at many manufacturing sites or electroplating services, if the stuff they make meth with scares you.

I used to own construction companies and would work with things on a daily basis that could kill you, burn you, or poison you slowly, all just as bad or worse than the relatively mild hydrocloric acid, sodium hydroxide, and petroleum solvents they use in making meth.

now, if you were making the argument that meth cooks don't dispose of their waste chamicals safely, that of course is true.

it's fine with me if you hate meth. you do no harm by hating it, except if you consider the prison industry and drug wars harmful, which as a libertarian, I do.

but, you should base your argument on facts. basing it on foolishness like "it's made with acids, bases, and solvents" will ultimately backfire, because hundreds of thousands of daily use products are made with acids bases and solvents.

once people realize that they were told lies and nonsense, they no longer trust the government spreading thoise lies.

this is why the drug war always fails - people know the government is lying.

once again this is foolish. presumably you didn't read your own link about phossy jaw, which is caused of course by white phosphorus, not the non-toxic red phosphorus which used to be used to make meth.

red phosporus is in the striker on every book of matches. you can eat it, it won't harm you in any quantity you are likely to want to eat. they know kids might chew matchbooks, they have to use a chemical that is close to harmless.

thats just as foolish as saying salt is dangerous because it contains sodium, which explodes when it touches water, and chlorine, which is a poison gas.

http://oehha.ca.gov/public_info/pdf/...39;03'.pdf

I've never heard of a case of phossy jaw caused by making meth.

like I said, it's fine with me if you hate meth, or want to oppose it, you just shouldn't do so with lies. if your argument is sound you shouldn't have to lie or disinform to persuade people.

That sucks. She was looking good back in the day. What a difference.

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/ku...th-addict1.jpg

See that's where you're argument is fatally flawed because I am basing my point of view on facts. I've watched a past beauty queen end up looking like someone's grandma because of it, so your propaganda about the prison industry and drug wars does not apply.

Meth rots the body and breaks down critical systems, leaving the person in what basically amounts to a seriously malnourished state of shock.

THAT is fact. Forget about what it is concocted from and look at the HUMAN effect of this drug.

For anyone to defend meth of all drugs is warped thinking at best. Marijuana or even cocaine is not even in the same category. The shit kills and is one of the most addictive of all street drugs. End of story.

People who use meth justify everything about it. METH is 100% poison

It destroys everyone who uses and abuses it. FACT!

technically it is not addictive at all.

it is habit forming, but it does not cause true addiction in the way that tobacco, alcohol, opiates, barbituates, and many prescription drugs do.

people will choose to take it habitually, because it feels good and it counters the exhaustion that hits them when they stop taking it, but the body doesn't react to not having it the way the body does to truly addictive drugs. there is no withdrawal, no pains, anxiety, delerium tremens, or the other symptoms of addiction.

look it up.

the distinction between addictive and habit forming is presumably lost on you.

as I said, it's fine with me if you hate meth. I see no downside in you hating meth. you have every right to hate meth.

I'm simply opposed to disinformation and lies as government policy.

that distinction is presumably lost on you as well.

so never take any meth

not bad :thumbsup

scary stuff

You use red phosphorus but since white phosporus is an allotrope of white phosphorus, when you heat it you turn a part of your red phosphorus in white phosphoric that is highly toxic.
This is ONE of the problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_phosphorus

"phosphorus can be converted to white phosphorus upon heating to 260 °C, as can be seen when one strikes a match."

believe me i'm better than you in chemistry.


http://www.simple-ways-to-make-metha...th-recipe.html

Meth truly is only habit forming? I'd find that hard to believe. I know from experience that I can smoke mary j all day for years on end and then go to another country for a month and not think about it once. Not a craving, no withdrawl, nothing.

It is just a bad habit, and as Plato once taught me -habits are a problem. I'd find it hard to believe that Meth is the same way, after seeing countless street walking meth heads and plenty of party hardy co conspirators from back in the day. That's not to say it's just a misguided assumption though. So if you take a multi-daily meth user and lock them in a room they won't go batshit crazy like a heroin addict would?

I've also heard that heroin is a "safe" drug etc. Where's the disconnect between safe drug and wasted life drug loser? What's the extra ingredient these people have that makes them race downhill so fast?

PS: Girl in blue dress looks photoshopped. She seriously put on the same dress, and it's STILL CLEAN? c'mon.

drugs are bad m'kay meth smack blow if you choking on the glass dick get some :helpme j/k but weed is just a slower habit forming drug

you should all do meth

I cant afford meth...

was it any good?

Yeah, guess I won't try it today...

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You have got to be kidding, right? Tell me that you're just saying what you are because you are trying to get a reaction.

Let's start with facts, shall we?

The neurotoxicity of meth along with the way it actually damages key systems in the human body, make it nothing but poison that happens to trigger the release of dopamine.

When you take meth the flood of dopamine ensures that the addiction cycle is effectively jumpstarted. It is one of the most addictive drugs with a relapse rate of over 92%.

Let me repeat that statistic again. METH HAS A RELAPSE RATE OF OVER 92%. That is higher than cocaine addiction stats.

Now you can continue spreading your misinformation, but you have no ground to stand on as of this point.

don't do meth

Look it up. Try the merck manual, one of the essential books for medical practice. Page 1492 on the one I have here, 15th edition. Page 1477 has a chart also, and a short description of the difference between psychic depence and physical dependence (their terminology). It describes "amphetamine dependence" as being psychic not physical, says that if there are any withdrawal symptoms they are mild and short lived. The exact sentence goes "The withdrawal syndrome, if one exists, is not severe.". Note the phrase "if one exists" - in the merck manual.

It's habit forming but not technically physically addictive, it doesn't cause physical dependence or significant physical withdrawal. Not in the way that chemicals like nicotine, alcohol, barbituates, opiates, and most of the antiaxiolytics do. You can stop taking it at any time and the big physical reaction is that you fall asleep because you are exhausted.

Marijuana, cocaine, and the hallucinogens are also listed in the class of chemicals that cause psychic but not physical dependence.

Now, I understand, you want to combine physical dependence and psychic dependence, to you if a thing is habit forming that means it's "addictive". Sex addiction, porn addiction, internet addiction, gambling addiction, all the "moral" psychic addictions, they're bad, mkay, right? Unless it's the physical addiction (dependence) to the governmentally approved drugs like alchohol and tobacco and prescription cns depressants, which cause hugely more deaths and misery than all the illegal drugs combined, that's okay, our society can handle those, those drugs aren't "evil", and are morally acceptable.

Thats fine, I don't mind, your beliefs are your business not mine. You have the right to believe what you like.

My belief is that false information is the problem, not the solution, and that the government shouldn't be promoting false information even if they believe it's for your moral good.

All this is basic libertarian philosophy.

bill8 is right, meth is not physically addictive

not sure about calling mental dependence psychic dependence but that's just semantics

This is quite humorous as I'm usually the one pushing scientific facts.

If you want lump meth with some of the other mild drugs like marijuana to bolster your case, that's fine.

If you want to bring up the difference between psychic and physical dependence, that's fine as well.

If you want to say that I'm pushing false evidence that is government sponsored, then that's your prerogative.

My simple retort is that you should update your knowledge with some of the more recent research that was done in the past few years (2008-2010) instead of relying on an outdated edition of a Merck manual and using it as a crutch.

Trivializing this drug in the way you are is just plain irresponsible.

The FACT still remains that METH has a 92% relapse rate. (a slight bit more or less depending on the research studies used)

That means 92% of the persons who take meth and attempt to stop taking it eventually go back to using a drug that unlike the relative benign effects of marijuana (or insert some other moderate-level physically addictive drug) actually causes SERIOUS physiological deterioration and severe brain damage in the limbic and hippocampus regions.

Even alcohol does damage to the brain and body, but not on that level, not as quickly. This puts Meth in a COMPLETELY different category. A person on meth is instantly put on the fast track to poisoning themselves to death. Every major system of the body is affected in a devastating way.

Few drugs have such a potent effect on the body. Period.

All of your other side arguments regarding government (and its sponsored drugs of tobacco and alcohol), philosophy and even morals are just a distraction from the reality that Meth users are killing themselves quickly. Even if they are able to stop using the substance in a relatively short time from the point when they started, it is amazing how much permanent damage they will do to their bodies. That's not hype or misinformation. Those are the facts.

I agree, great post on his part. From my personal experience with meth users the reason they start is an escape high. Stopping the actual use of the drug doesn't mean the original reason they started has changed .... so they continue to use.


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mexico is shipping it in by the ton

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fc3MQ-NoGw...on_arizona.jpg

Tucson Arizona

Same goes for black people smoking crack!



Tweekers, Crackheads, Pill Poppers, E Tards ......Every race has issues :Oh crap

i know that. crack is not steady anymore. its bath salts and meth

Meth is bad, I had atleast 2 former employees that were Methheads because they wanted to be able to work all the time and party all the time. One of the ladies looked just like some posted previously, aged very quickly and sunken eyes.

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Wk...jpg_200227.jpg
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round 2 :helpme

Lisa Robin Kelly, former star of "That '70s Show," was arrested for allegedly assaulting a 61-year-old man, identified by TMZ as Kelly's husband, in their home in North Carolina. The man was also arrested.



Kelly starred as Laurie Forman on the popular Fox sitcom. The show helped launch the careers of Topher Grace, Mila Kunis, and Ashton Kutcher. However, Kelly has faced more personal problems than successes following the show's completion.

In 2010, she was arrested for driving while intoxicated. She was later sentenced to 12 months of probation. Earlier this year, Kelly was arrested on a felony spousal abuse charge. The alarming mugshot quickly went viral.

According to TMZ, police say that no drugs or alcohol appear to have been involved in the most recent incident.

full article...

do the math