No one is going to understand this point. This is exactly what terrorist mentality is, Osama and company had the same, some of these people have the same.

Its just perspective that makes difference between a terrorist and a patriot/hero.

You can always count on Smokey the Bear to be the contrarian.

yes

and thats why i say the presedent did not the right moral thing, but the right thing for an end to a lot of problems.

lets face it, its all a bit murky. the involvment the usa had in training him years ago and so on.

but while moraly i find it wong to kill him, it could mean many lives saved. by this it may help end the war in afganistan, which will saves lives on all sides. this (i hope) could lead to an earler end to the war.

Oh no, I was really just playing.... I bet I haven't watched 2 minutes of it since it was initially announced. Celebrating or watching about someone dying isn't really my bag.... I was just being a smartass here. That's all. :upsidedow :winkwink:

yes

its sad that people often fail to see what they think is right, is not.

My friend (in the uk) said that the muslims who burnt the poppies (we have a poppy day - not sure if you have the same tradition in the usa) should be put in prison.

I upset her by pointing out that she was in fact by saying that far worse than some mulim burning a poppy as she was saying that freedom of speach should be taken away.

Voltar (probably spelt the name wrong) said that i may not agree with what you say, but i will die defending your right to say it.

i am in the uk, but even so i still have pride for the usa. the usa should not go around trying toi change other countries to be like it (or invade for oil). but it should be the country people look up to. fairness, freedom at whatever cost for whoever.

i remeber the chap who did porn (the one in a wheelchair) saids that the law should apply the same to everyone, even a scumbag as him (or words to that affect).

I look towards the usa as a fair country. i realy get upset when i see it doing wrong or be seen to do wrong. I love amerca in that respect. I am not and will never be anty american. but i will critize it if i feel it needs to be critised. aqnd i get so angry when i hear morons in america think its clever to say bomb everyone.

this is why i have hope for this presedent.

then maybe you should join al qaeda and declare jihad against your american enemies...

war is war... we went to iraq and afghanistan and our soldiers were killed and continue to be killed..

i will say that i disagree with the war in iraq because it was about oil and establishing a stronger military presence in the middle east to ultimately protect the US interests in foreign oil..

afghanistan has been harboring terrorists for a very long time and any collateral damage to me is justified..

i think you are losing track here in that the argument was made against one 12 y/o child vs a bigger picture..

if clinton would have not been afraid of collateral damage, bin laden would have been dead a long time ago and maybe 9/11 would have never taken place..

if you would like to do some flag burning this weekend i am available as i hate 90% of what the US govt does, but in this case i think the right thing was done..





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the one thing thats a bit odd is why there is blood in more than one room.

i thought the only person shot dead was him and his wife shot in the leg, so i am not sure why there was so much blood in other rooms.

it also seemed so basic the living area.

Bunch of fucking pussies! Boohoo the wife got shot in the leg, boohoo the 12 year old girl witnessed the shooting. They could of killed the wife, the girl, and everyone in the fucking neighborhood and I would still be chanting "USA." We took out the largest symbol for terror in the entire world and you're bitching about emotional scars and a leg shot...fucking ungrateful scum.

roflmao, how about we all start chanting Kumbaya and pray for his family.... NOT!!!

this realy anoys me whenb somone from the usa starts to rather respnd to a comment, turns to name calling and starts to sugest they are anti-amercan.

do you fail to see what your doing is saying 'he' has no right to say what he belives and as such no right of free speach.

its in fact a discrace what you said, becase by saying that your being distrispectfull to his right to freedom of speach.

it is not him being anty american but in fact it is you. you are saying only one view should be allowed. ask yourself what is the diffence between what you have said and those terrists.

its shamfull you could say that to another american. its disgusting in fact.

be a propud american, and be proud that he has said what he belives without feeing being arrested or being condemed.

you should respect what hew has said even if its not what you belive.

this is the glory of america, somthing that very few countries have.

do not ever forget this.

think before you post such a thing again.

be proud that you have such freedom to say things even if other dislike or disagree.

what a strange thing to say.

if your christian then why would you not pray for his family. i would presumer you would wish them well? surly your not going to wish harm on the inicent?

i hope as a good american you would not be seeking revenge on children or women who (unless there is evedence) have done no wrong.

Please do not post such silly posts.

why not do that.

why not go out in the street and shout usa.

mabe you could be given the head of one of the children to hold up and wave around?

odd to think we would condem the behavior of terrists doing the same.

do you not think that as a good american you should act as a decent person, rather than doing the same as the terrists?

when i watch on the news americans dancing around in joy shouting usa, it instently remided me of the terrists dancing around doing the same at 9/11.

i wonder if those people in the usa had realised what they had done.

This may be the stupidest reply I've ever received, ever. :1orglaugh

I think when sarcasm was introduced at school you weren't paying any attention :upsidedow

First of all I am Canadian and I did not wish anyone any arm or revenge but very happy that evil man as been dealt with.

But I honestly think you are reaching here man taking every post in your thread on GFY so personally :winkwink:

FUCK HIM AND HIS CHILD SHould have shot the kid too as she will come back with a vengeance later. Anyone standing at the bottom of the WTC like I did would say same thing. And FUCK him being unarmed, all the people in NYC , and DC were unarmed also

I am quite certain that the Americans who demonstrated in the streets following the killing of the murdering terrorist Osama bin Laden knew quite well what they were doing.

They were cheering the takedown and death of one of the greatest PERSONAL enemies any of them have had or will ever have.

?to go out and murder innocent civilians.?

Osama bin Laden.

?We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.?

Osama bin Laden.

?I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God. Our fight now is against the Americans.?

Osama bin Laden.

"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies?civilians and military?is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."

"Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders" (23 February 1998)


?The dream to kill me will never be completed,?

Osama bin Laden.

Bet me, you murdering bastard!

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...sking/9-11.png

so you belive inecent children should be put to death?

and you wonder why people around the world think aqmerica is full of child killing monsters who bomb countries without care. then you wonder why people want to join up and become a terrist.

just a thought.

mabe you will next time think about what you have posted and be ashamed. mabe you with realise how wrong you are. i hope so.

i think you will find Osama bin Laden set the organisation up to get the west out of his countries.

you also forget that the usa helped him out. trained him.

but feel free to look at this in a simplistic black and white situation. feel free. it gets us knowwere. but if you think that by bombing countries its going to turn people into loving the usa, your wrong.

Best quote of the day. :)

"Bin Laden 'was unarmed when shot'"


Post proof or ban.

Osama bin Laden was unarmed when he was confronted and shot dead by US forces at his Pakistani hideout, a White House spokesman has said.

Jay Carney said that the US was considering whether to release photos of bin Laden after he was killed on Sunday but that the photos were "gruesome" and could be inflammatory.

The director of the CIA told NBC News on Tuesday that the a photo showing bin Laden dead will ultimately be released.

"The government obviously has been talking about how best to do this, but I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public," Leon Panetta, the head of the US spy agency, said according to a transcript of the television interview.

Carney said one of bin Laden's wives had tried to rush the US forces and was shot in the leg.

He said Bin Laden had resisted capture and was shot and killed. He did not explain how bin Laden had resisted.

The White House spokesman said high temperatures had caused one of the helicopters carrying the US forces to make a hard landing at the compound in Abbottabad, a town about two hours north of Islamabad, the capital.

The US commandos swept through the massive compound, handcuffing those they encountered with plastic zip ties and pressed on in pursuit of their target, code-named 'Geronimo'.

Barack Obama, the US president, and a small team of his officials watched the operation in real time from the White House, but the mission was not run from there, Carney said.

Taliban demand proof

The Taliban in Afghanistan said on Tuesday that they questioned whether bin Laden was actually dead.

"As the Americans did not provide any acceptable evidence to back up their claim, and as the other aides close to Osama bin Laden have not confirmed or denied the death ... the Islamic Emirate considers any assertion premature," Zabihullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman, said.

The United Nations' top human rights official called on the US on Tuesday to give the UN details about bin Laden's killing and said that all counter-terrorism operations must respect international law.

"This was a complex operation and it would be helpful if we knew the precise facts surrounding his killing," Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said in a statement to the Reuters news agency.

It was always clear that taking bin Laden alive was likely to be difficult, Pillay said, noting that US authorities had stated that they intended to arrest him if possible.

"If he was captured and brought before a court, I have no doubt he would have been charged with the most serious crimes, including the mass murder of civilians that took place on 9/11, which were planned and systematic and in my view amounted to crime against humanity," she said.

Eric Holder, the US attorney general, defended the US operation against bin Laden as lawful on Tuesday.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/am...011610215.html

so was JFK, RFK, MLK jr, that's why it's called an assassination, get a fucking dictionary nOOb.

The order was to have Osama killed.

So it did not matter the circumstance.

Don't put words in my mouth...I never would say she should have been killed.
My point is, her fucking FATHER killed masses...didn't give a fuck about them...
The Navy Seal team went to do a job, and did what they needed to do, and boo fucking hoo if Osama had family, of any sort, in the place where he was cowardly hiding.

What he said! :thumbsup

In Kabul, the news of Osama bin Laden's death has, more than anything, brought questions. Questions about what the end of al-Qaeda's leader means to the ongoing war and the Taliban's launch of a new fighting season. But most importantly, it has raised resounding questions about the nature of Pakistan's cooperation in the "war on terror".

"They didn't find Osama in Logar, they didn't find him in Kandahar," declared Afghan president Hamid Karzai. "They didn’t find him in Badakhsahn, in Kabul or in Parwan. They found him in Abbotabad, in Pakistan," he said.

Although president Karzai made sure he included a word of appreciation for the sacrifices of NATO and the United States, the frustration in his tone was clear. "NATO and the world did not hear our call for ten years," he said. "We burned and burned. Osama was killed in Abbotabad."

The town of Abbotabad, where Mr bin Laden was killed, is home to Pakistan's military academy. According to Hassan Abbas, professor of South Asian politics and security at Columbia University who lived there in the early 1980s, there is a security zone of about 5km around the academy, where surveillance is high. "The house was only about two miles from the military academy, clearly within the security radius," Mr Abbas told Al Jazeera.

In recent times, military installations in particular have been the target of frequent attacks by insurgents and terrorist groups. "This should have been more reason for increasing security around the military academy, and the house should have been checked, given the high walls and barbed wire," said Mr Abbas.

Afghan-Pakistan relations

In his reaction to the death, Karzai - and his government - has made sure to stress the proximity of the town to the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. The tone in his speech yesterday was reminiscent of the early years of the "war on terror", when the Karzai government assiduously criticised the Pakistani military establishment - particularly the ISI - for not doing enough to go after al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders. Frustrated and exhausted by the fact that his allies could not assert enough pressure on Pakistan, Karzai reconsidered his approach in recent years. He stopped publicly criticising Pakistan and instead tried reaching out to them in the hope of finding a regional solution to the war.

Yesterday, while Karzai spoke of the Pakistani people's suffering due to terrorism, there was nothing in his speech about the Pakistani government. Instead, he used the opportunity to recall his old message that had not received the attention he might have wanted it to.

"I hope that, from now on, the United States and the West take what the people of Afghanistan say as a truth," he declared.

Ali Ahmad Jalali, former interior minister in Karzai's cabinet, said the killing of Osama was "a wake up call" to Pakistan. "The proximity of the house to Islamabad shows that Pakistan can do much more in this war," he said.

Challenges remain

Some analysts believe that the nature of Osama's killing provides an ample opportunity to shift the focus once again to Pakistan. It is time that Pakistan's "state-sponsored terrorism", as one analyst put it, is dealt with more decisively, they say.

"We should utilise this momentous achievement to address the remaining challenges," Dr Davood Moradian, former senior policy adviser to the Afghan foreign minister, told Al Jazeera.

"To this end, the ISI must be declared a terrorist entity."

While his conclusion might seem extreme, he and many others point to the threat that a nuclear-armed Pakistan presents when its intelligence agency has been reluctant in going after terrorist groups.

"We eliminated the most important and symbolic person in the phenomenon of terrorism," says Mr Moradian, "but the three important factors are still out there: the ideology, the infrastructure and the conducive environment." He believes that, unless the international community deals with ISI's relationship with groups such as al-Qaeda, the threat will remain. "If not, the international community will have to come back next time, as was the case in 2001."

However, it is unlikely that the Karzai government will dramatically change its current relationship with Pakistan, which has been a major factor in their formula for reconciling with the Taliban.

"His death might bring a wave of revenge attacks on Afghans and security might deteriorate," says Hawal Alam Nooristani, a member of the High Council for Peace, the group designated to explore talks with the Taliban. "But what this proved was that Pakistan’s two-faced politics has yet to end."

The impact of the death on the war

Many in Afghanistan believe that the killing of Osama, though a huge morale booster for NATO and its allies, will not have much impact on the on going war in the country. In recent years, bin Laden had been mostly preoccupied with avoiding capture. In the process, much of the work had been delegated to his subordinates.

"This is a psychological victory," says former minister Jalali, "but operationally, it will not have much impact. Al Qaeda is more decentralised and Osama really wasn't in charge recently," he says.

Others point to the fact that, in recent years, al-Qaeda has played a small role in Afghanistan and local armed groups have dominated the insurgency.

"That the leadership of al-Qaeda is in Pakistan is only half of the reality," says Dr Mahiudeen Mahdi, a member of the Afghan parliament from the northern province of Baghlan. "The daily threat inside Afghanistan has almost always been from the Afghan Taliban."

Sanjar Sohail, publisher of the prominent daily newspaper 8-Subh, agrees that Osama's death will have an important "psychological impact" on al-Qaeda and groups who follow their ideology.

But Sohail is concerned that the dramatic death will fast-track a hasty withdrawal out of Afghanistan.

"Already, there are calls from Iran and Pakistan that the United Sates has no excuse to be in Afghanistan anymore," says Mr. Sohail. "Also, president Karzai's comments indicate that he is not interested in continuing this fight in Afghanistan."

The death of Osama comes at a time when the Afghan government has intensified its efforts for reconciliation with the Taliban. Some believe that this presents an opportunity for the Taliban to distance themselves from al-Qaeda on the basis that their relationship was with Osama bin Laden and not al-Qaeda's ideology. President Karzai, by virtue of calling on the Taliban a further time in the same speech that he announced the death of Osama, has shown the government's interest in tapping this opportunity. Whether some Taliban will take that up or not, only time will tell.

"I guess the Taliban are now trying to figure out how to position themselves," says Martine van Bijlert, the co-director of Afghanistan Analysts Network. "They will want to use the mobilising potential of bin Laden's death, but they will also want to leave their position vis-a-vis al-Qaeda sufficiently ambiguous to keep all future options open."

Sohail thinks that the Taliban might begin presenting "green lights" to keep the government interested. "They will want a gradual desensitisation of their image in the public perception by 2014," which is the scheduled date for NATO withdrawal.

But in the short term, the death of Osama is unlikely to affect the intensity of the war in Afghanistan.

"I suspect that the violence this summer will continue at a similar pace as might have been expected before bin Laden's death," says Alex Strick van Linschoten, co-author of An Enemy We Created, the forthcoming book on the Taliban's ties with al-Qaeda. He has lived in Kandahar for the past few years. "It is perhaps significant, though, in offering Obama a chance to recalibrate US operations inside Afghanistan."

Mr Mahdi, however, is concerned about how Karzai might use this in his "desperate" efforts to reconcile with the Taliban. "Karzai has been trying to promote the idea that the Taliban and al-Qaeda are separate entities," he says. "I am afraid this presents his government with an opportunity to hide the Taliban from the world view."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...272561285.html

I could not agree with you more. :thumbsup

Amen. :thumbsup

Osama can never be un armed, even when dead. Remember that.

There was no "Bin Laden" you mainstream automatons.

The victims in the Twin Towers were unarmed as well. Fuck that piece of shit.

Your spelling makes Paul Markham seem like a Rhodes Scholar. Other than that, fuck him. We don't care. And yeah, I believe he used a woman as a shield.

. . . and you have yet to post a pic of a decent looking chick you shot. They all make OBL's dead corpse look good.

I am just relieved he wasn't wearing glasses. Imagine the outcry from shooting a man with glasses on.

he was #1 on the most wanted list in a hostile territory that harbors terrorists. you think the Navy Seals were honestly going to take him alive. Each one of those Seals should've gotten a chance to pop a cap or two in him.

Why is this guy so upset about Osama getting what was comming to him?

Once again you prove to be a moron:321GFY

Are you just that stupid? Or are you a moron?:321GFY

Right now, there's a guy out there with THE best brag in the world bar none; I shot Bin Laden.

As for that poor 12 year old. She got off light. Read the stories about one of his sons who "defected" - His turning point was when HIS FATHER encouraged him to become a suicide bomber. There, not just global terrorist, but a bad parent too. Surely that'll keep the lefties happy?