Maybe it is simply Technology causing low sales?

[Si]

Was thinking about this just now (had a beer or 2 )

I myself haven't paid for porn for atleast 1 or maybe 2 years. And the main reason is I have got enough of my own videos on either dvd/video/phone/etc. That I have made myself/personal stuff.

In this day and age anyone with anything from a phone to a proper video camera can make their own porn.

Not being funny but this alone could cause more of a drop in sales than any other factor people moan about.

And with the personal stuff you are more conected to the content.

When porn first made it's way to the internet mobile/cellphones didn't have cameras, video cameras were expensive, and the general person couldn't record their own videos.

Then if you want to talk pictures, when digital became available that probably caused some kind of drop aswell. No need to worry about developing your homemade stuff. Just upload it and enjoy!

These days you are probably no more than 10 feet away from something you can either take a picture with or shoot a video with. No matter what the quality.

It is soo easy to create and keep your own erotic memories and replay them whenever you want to that there is almost no need for porn at all.

NOTE: I know there is obviously still a market and there is definately still people who want porn. Just saying

[FlexxAeon]

you assume regular porn purchasers also regularly get laid

[Si]

Also, I'm trying to think if this alone could cause any significant drop?

What do you reckon? I think it could. Obviously it isn't the sole reason. And being able to capture your own porn isn't going to kill off the porn business by itself. But it could cause a hole (sorry for the pun).

[Failed]

I like to go through all of the stuff I've collected over the years every now and again. But, I spend much more time looking for something new and quality to add to that collection. I suppose there are those who prefer what they've already collected to anything new.

[Agent 488]

we live in the age of the amateur. that is where the action is.

[Si]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

you assume regular porn purchasers also regularly get laid

I took that into account before making this thread (or tried to) And I really don't know who buys porn vs who has homemade stuff.

Some people probably fit both, some probably don't fit either.

It is a tough one to figure out. Obviously there is people who buy/watch porn because they can't laid. But even people who get laid and have homemade stuff buy.

Just saying maybe the switch into being able to capture almost anything yourself without even having to think about it, And being able to watch what you actually done again and again whenever you want from pretty much any device has crippled the market.

[FlexxAeon]

i was kinda just joking but there's truth in it

i'm sure there are some people that fit your description but i doubt it's significant to sales. when i first started reading your thread i thought you were gonna go with the download/hard drive space angle, which is more likely to be a factor

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

If they kill the net porn will sell again!

[Si]

Originally Posted by Failed

I like to go through all of the stuff I've collected over the years every now and again. But, I spend much more time looking for something new and quality to add to that collection. I suppose there are those who prefer what they've already collected to anything new.

I bet there is thousands of people like that. But I still prefer the stuff I have done myself, I can relate to it better than anything I find online. Because I was there.

Not saying there isn't people like that because obviously there is

Originally Posted by Agent 488

we live in the age of the amateur. that is where the action is.

Indeed we do! and it isn't just amateur content found online, it is stuff people have actually done themselves that satisfies them more than anything they could find online because they experienced it first hand.

Question: Fantasy is obviously where porn stems from, the only reason to watch porn is the fantasy of feeling what them people in that video/photo are feeling. When you have your own, you can connect to it even more reducing or removing completely the need for something else. Does that make sense? or is that just me?

[Si]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i was kinda just joking but there's truth in it

i'm sure there are some people that fit your description but i doubt it's significant to sales. when i first started reading your thread i thought you were gonna go with the download/hard drive space angle, which is more likely to be a factor

Chuckled a bit when I read your reply actually

I doubt it aswell but just another factor that could be adding to the problem maybe?

The market could be shrinking because of this one factor alone is what I am thinking.

This could also be why people like the interactive stuff more and more aswell, because they can relate better. Maybe a girl is being paid to strip on cam for you, but you connect with her more.

[Agent 488]

old fake cornball porn is shrinking. amateur/gf/cams sites are exploding.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am going to say it is HARP's fault.

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

old fake cornball porn

funny and true. I'll bet most buyers dont have many gfs. Prob most have none.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The technological changes are not going away. The rise in more amateur produced content; its marketing and consumption ? is a trend that will stay. The constantly lower costs of digital imaging and storage devices are the driver.

There will always be a niche for professional hi quality content production but the reality aspect to porn will end up on top. Understand the future and be part of it. Quasi Reality Porn is a possible adaption for the professional.

[rock-reed]

I think this is an interesting post. I do believe it is causing a lack of signups, I'm not sure of how many though.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

you assume regular porn purchasers also regularly get laid

The first thought I had as well. Even guys who are laid regularly aren't whipping out the camera for every encounter. Or have a partner that's down for it to be filmed.

Things like that are definitely exceptions, not the rule.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Si

Also, I'm trying to think if this alone could cause any significant drop?

What do you reckon? I think it could. Obviously it isn't the sole reason. And being able to capture your own porn isn't going to kill off the porn business by itself. But it could cause a hole (sorry for the pun).

Those getting laid enough to make their own movies have never been our target audience.

and if you think about it for 2 minutes you realise why your wrong. Think traffic on Tubes.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

we live in the age of the amateur. that is where the action is.

It's also a market saturated with sites, far too many for the audience.

************

The reason sales are falling are far more simple. The product online porn sells doesn't compete with the product that's given away for free.

Fuck the customer at your own risk. He's showing you now what he thinks of you by fucking off.

I recently saw a site that someone wanted me to review and hit hit me why content is crap and traffic is king. Hit me like a thunderbolt.

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Engage the internet Kill switch now! Watch DVD and porn sell once again!

[georgeyw]

I did not read what you said nor what any of the replies are.

However do a search for any model / paysite name and / or combos of both. The first few pages for each are torrents - even more so since the panda update with google too.

That would be where I personally think sales are going. Not real hard to get all the content if it is right infront of you with the click of one button.

It use to be that you would have to search your ass off to find torrents and now it isn't even a matter of searching for 'torrent'.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

Engage the internet Kill switch now! Watch DVD and porn sell once again!

Yes. Of course many online porn people would be back working in normal jobs, but porn would be far stronger.

Originally Posted by georgeyw

I did not read what you said nor what any of the replies are.

However do a search for any model / paysite name and / or combos of both. The first few pages for each are torrents - even more so since the panda update with google too.

That would be where I personally think sales are going. Not real hard to get all the content if it is right infront of you with the click of one button.

It use to be that you would have to search your ass off to find torrents and now it isn't even a matter of searching for 'torrent'.

Poor excuse.

It's like saying why do I keep getting a head ache banging my head against a wall.

We know piracy exists, we know free legal porn exists, we know the product we sell isn't good enough.

So what the fuck are we going to do?

More traffic that's what we need.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Si

Was thinking about this just now (had a beer or 2 )

I myself haven't paid for porn for atleast 1 or maybe 2 years. And the main reason is I have got enough of my own videos on either dvd/video/phone/etc. That I have made myself/personal stuff.

In this day and age anyone with anything from a phone to a proper video camera can make their own porn.

Not being funny but this alone could cause more of a drop in sales than any other factor people moan about.

And with the personal stuff you are more conected to the content.

When porn first made it's way to the internet mobile/cellphones didn't have cameras, video cameras were expensive, and the general person couldn't record their own videos.

Then if you want to talk pictures, when digital became available that probably caused some kind of drop aswell. No need to worry about developing your homemade stuff. Just upload it and enjoy!

These days you are probably no more than 10 feet away from something you can either take a picture with or shoot a video with. No matter what the quality.

It is soo easy to create and keep your own erotic memories and replay them whenever you want to that there is almost no need for porn at all.

NOTE: I know there is obviously still a market and there is definately still people who want porn. Just saying

IMO people making their own porn is only a tiny reason for drops in sales. The main reason is that there is very little reason to pay for normal mainstream porn these days. Between tubes and torrents there is a truckload of free hardcore stuff out there. Sure, the quality might not be great, but for many it will get the job done. A lot of the people who are now just freeloading on the tubes and torrents were buyers, but they were only buyers because they had no other option but to pay. Now they have a lot of other options so they aren't paying.

Also the lower cost of technology probably plays a role. It wasn't that long ago that external hard drives weren't even around or they were so expensive you couldn't afford them. Internal drives that were big were costly as well. Now you can buy an 1TB external drive for around $100 so storage isn't an problem. Not to mention between companies like google, microsoft and amazon you can get a ton of free online storage. So no storing the gigs and gigs of stuff you can quickly and easily get for free is easy.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes. Of course many online porn people would be back working in normal jobs, but porn would be far stronger.



Poor excuse.

It's like saying why do I keep getting a head ache banging my head against a wall.

We know piracy exists, we know free legal porn exists, we know the product we sell isn't good enough.

So what the fuck are we going to do?

More traffic that's what we need.

Use your brain for one second and stop just jumping on things when you have no clue what you're talking about.

Search engine traffic is what everyone wants, if the SE traffic is going directly to torrents and providing a wealth of free full video and photo sets - what do you think the end result will be? Let me guess - some cock and bull about adapt or die?

They certainly won't be purchasing and for *new* internet users, they will likely figure out what a torrent is and go apeshit downloading and jerking themselves off.

[Django]

very interesting.
a democratization of production have affected the porn industry like all others sectors of the communication industry

[Si]

Trust you Paul Markham to go into tubes

I was trying to avoid any other factor when thinking about this. Like how much of a drop could this factor alone bring to the amount of sales/buyers.

It probably does do something, but maybe not a large amount.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Those getting laid enough to make their own movies have never been our target audience.

Ok here is something for you, If the single guys who don't have anything to watch etc. are the target audience and you believe people who have their own videos ain't a target market.

Then you have to take into account who them single people are, right?

And what are the reasons for them being single?

I would say not having much money would be 1 big reason. No money = Not going out = Not meeting people = Single

No Money = NO SALES

Being insecure would be another big factor, insecure = probably not easy to sell something to because they are cautious.

Don't trust people/companies = NO SALES

Being Shy = maybe this one is where money doesn't factor into it, but because they are shy they are single. These could be the buyers here. Shy with money, need porn because they are single.

But! shy people are probably the kind of people who are also insecure.

Insecure = Cautious = NO SALES

Just some thoughts on your "they have never been a target audience"

Whenever I see people going into a sex store, it is 9 times out of 10 a couple. Think about that aswell.

[CaptainHowdy]

If a thread summons Paul Markham that only signals the failure of the OP ....

[Si]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

If a thread summons Paul Markham that only signals the failure of the OP ....

Love you to!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Use your brain for one second and stop just jumping on things when you have no clue what you're talking about.

Search engine traffic is what everyone wants, if the SE traffic is going directly to torrents and providing a wealth of free full video and photo sets - what do you think the end result will be? Let me guess - some cock and bull about adapt or die?

They certainly won't be purchasing and for *new* internet users, they will likely figure out what a torrent is and go apeshit downloading and jerking themselves off.

George use your brain for an hour, because it will take you that long to figure it out.

Piracy exists and there's fuck all you or I can do about it. You're saying, "I know my business is slowly being fucked, but I'm going to keep posing on GFY." As if that will make it change.

The mainstream industries seem unable to get it shut down, but you think a post on GFY will make it change?

And what would happen if it did change The surfers on Torrents would go to Tubes and SE would list Tubes. And they're legal until you can prove otherwise.

The industry to survive needs to change. Good luck to posts on GFY being a solution.

Ok here is something for you, If the single guys who don't have anything to watch etc. are the target audience and you believe people who have their own videos ain't a target market.

Then you have to take into account who them single people are, right?

And what are the reasons for them being single?

I would say not having much money would be 1 big reason. No money = Not going out = Not meeting people = Single

No Money = NO SALES

Being insecure would be another big factor, insecure = probably not easy to sell something to because they are cautious.

Don't trust people/companies = NO SALES

Being Shy = maybe this one is where money doesn't factor into it, but because they are shy they are single. These could be the buyers here. Shy with money, need porn because they are single.

But! shy people are probably the kind of people who are also insecure.

Insecure = Cautious = NO SALES

Just some thoughts on your "they have never been a target audience"

Whenever I see people going into a sex store, it is 9 times out of 10 a couple. Think about that aswell.

Did you ever study demographics? I did.

Our target audience for porn has always been 30 and upwards, probably to 60 as after that sex drive usually drops off. Yes 18-29 and 60+ year olds buy porn, but not in the numbers that the TARGET audience does.

Would it surprise you to know a lot of porn buyers are married and without their wives knowing what they buy? Of course you know it, because so many tell us the reason for the CB was the wife finding out.

Guys getting laid and shooting their partners, which was the original question, aren't watching and buying porn in big numbers. There out there with a real flesh and blood woman. Of course the odd ones might be, but not a target audience.

[cooldude7]

i dont think so, i have camera phone, i have hdd filled with porn but i do signup to live cam sites and porn sites ., coz i like new stuff, i know in every other movie there is just pussy and dick , but still the new models and quality of movie/content, stories used in it,...makes me to buy it.

i know sometimes i like to watch, my happy moments with my gf, on my phone ,when i am alone., but this havent stopped me from signing up to paysites., just saying.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Problem is I think, most no one is selling anything worth buying.
The few that are selling something worth buying are making a killing.

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