They test & test & test.

It's all about consistency.

Feed him a live mouse when he is being a little prick. :eatmouse Did i say that out-loud? Oh I'm sorry, excuse my assholeness. But pussy children suck and it's always the mothers fault.:disgust

Fuckin A Sammy!

Spankings and washing your kid's mouth out with soap worked great for The Greatest Generation - what a bunch of candy ass pukes we've turned into and our kids and grandkids are the result, half of them diagnosed with ADD and on psych meds, the other half cry baby over protected sniveling little shits who get driven every where by Mommy. Keep telling your kids they're each unique and special just like a little snowflake - that really works out well.

I'm not that old, when I went to school, teachers and principals could take the law into their own hands and often did. I got the strap numerous times, a young female third grade teacher lined me and 3 other other troublemakers up against the wall in the hallway and kicked us in our little asses with her high heel shoes, another teacher picked up my desk with me in in and threw it over on its side, another one hurled textbooks like Nolan Ryan at us. And our parents knew this was going on and knew we deserved it. I think when we got the strap the principal did call home.

Spankings are good.

Consistency and love. Those are the cornerstones of parenting. Great point.

That was my first thought also, especially at a boy's age where you'd think one would be completely embracing being a Grandfather. Why not try and help your daughter understand why your grandson is acting like he is and how important establishing and maintaining a schedule, rather than talking about beating up her boyfriend.

I figured the love part should go without saying.

It's the consistency part that so many parents don't seem to get. If a child knows that when their parent says something, they mean it... then they don't continue to test and know they don't have the upper hand.

It infuriates me when I'm in a store and I hear a parent say "If you do that one more time, we're leaving"... then the child does it again, throws a fit, and is then rewarded with a brand new shiny toy or candy bar. :mad:

Papa, don't preach :)

I don't spank my daughter but my wife does occasionally. My girl knows that daddy nips things in the bud much more quickly than mummy does, so if I get to the point of saying "ONE?" she runs.

I've never made it to 3, if I do then I guess I have to spank her, otherwise she's won...

Isn't corporal punishment still accepted in about 50% of US states? Meaning that spankings are still used in schools as punishment?

I have a friend who just moved back here from Tennessee and is a teacher. She said that the kids in TN lived in fear of being spanked and we're pretty well behaved. Kids here in the north are much more unruly in the classroom and she attributes it to that.

Spankings don't work as a threat to my three year old. She likes 'em, just like her mom. :1orglaugh

Awwww Hope you had a little fun with him.

If you spank your child would it be a surprise to anyone if she shows up at your local tube site's spanking section?

Read this book Parent Effectiveness Training

My kid is about 1.5 and just started with her tantrums. It's going to be a rough next couple years. ugh. lol

I would hug him and ask if he is tired from working so hard on the great eggs he made and if wanted to take a quick rest "nap" before lunch.

this thread is very enlightening.

you ever been to Spain, you get little kids at 3 in the morning wandering about with their parents. They just let them sleep it off the next day.

nope, going to wait for Paul Markham's book on parenting :2 cents:

Agreed!

I always looked down on spanking, but now I'm looking at it differently. My little girl is only 2 and to young for it, but she's definitely in the terrible 2 stage.

One key piece of advise I recently received from my doctor: "Everything is a phase they'll grow out of"

hope you got drunk yelled, smashed the eggs, gave the an easter to remember.

Yea, I thought the same way. Thought it was just a phase. Then 2 turned to 3 and it got worse. But the Beauty of 3 she now understands things better.


At 3, i really tried to make the "time outs" work, but without understanding that there are more severe consequences than a "time out," my daughter went on her marry way doing what she wanted. It really sucked.


Then a few friends explained to me how and when to use spankings. Made sense. The I tried it and it worked wonders.


For you people that think a spanking and hiting your kids is the same thing, keep my "Spankings" in prospective:


Now I will try using "time outs" in conjunction with spankings. I feel that the "time outs" will work better now that my daughter knows whats next. But i think that "time outs" don't do shit at 3 years old with out the understanding that a spanking is next.:2 cents:

the people comparing hitting and spanking most likely dont have kids and on the holy horse...

Obviously not all... but thats what I have to say bout that/..

Well said man...my little guy is certainly going to need a few attitude corrections.
there are proper ways to do things, i should do some more reading, id like to not be setting up a negotiations framework with him.

Damn skippy I do too - if we consider spanking "hitting."

Kids need an ass beating nowadays, too many lax parents.

My son is 5, and what works for us is "choices". I give him 2 choices and the consequences that come with each choice, and give him 5 minutes to decide what his choice will be. He usually chooses the right thing, otherwise he deals with the consequences.

Right now he's got 1 month without his WII because he refused to apologize to a little boy he crashed into. It was an accident and both their faults, but my son was the bigger boy and he needed to apologize. Since he refused, we are now enjoying a month without Super Mario.

I have spanked him a few times in the past, but I hate doing it and I think it hurts me more than it hurts me. Even though, I do believe that a spanking at the right moment will save you years of heartache later on.

We did military punishment ... at six months old I had them standing in the corner. At one year, they had their hands above their head on tippy toes in a corner. It slowly progressed and my favorites were cans and chairs. Cans would require two cans of big baked beans, one can in each hand, hold out arms for two minutes. Chairs, they had to stand with back up against the wall and sit like a chair. Burned their legs like a mother. Then it was pushups, etc. That worked, well.

Wow... Some great comments and suggestions here. Where were you all when my kids were two?

Glad you chose the family, Dave. My dad was an abusive drunk and eventually he became a recovering alcoholic for life. Both of my siblings have a harder time with life than I do. Both went the way of drugs and alcohol themselves and are now both recovering for life...

Like you I chose to be the opposite of my father and it has worked out great... except for the fact that we are both pretty much the same now that he doesn't drink?

As for spanking and counting to three. I spanked my son early on and then realized I personally had gotten used to the pain of spankings by the age of 5. It no longer worked because I figured 20 to 30 whacks from somebody that was drunk was not that bad... kind of sad in retrospect. I built up a pain tolerance for spanking, but more importantly, I also built up a tolerance to my father's cool regard for me. I think the mental part is worse...

So after watching many different shows from Super Nanny to Dr. Phil I quickly reversed direction and went the way of Due (replier on page #1). I quit counting and if you did something wrong we just went straight to punishment. No negotiation what so ever. But often just saying something was unacceptable and telling them what their next punishment would be is enough. Mainly because they know there won't be negotiation... They will just instantly receive their punishment whatever it may be.

I got a buddy of mine name Ralph and he is VERY old school. He reminds me of my Grandpa. When he suggests under his breath that his kids should take out the trash they instantly get up and do it. If they don't he starts walking over to them and they instantly get up and do it.

I am sure his punishment is a spanking that is much harder than I ever got it myself. And guess what? He only has to do it about once every 3 to 5 years... His kids are in their teens now and I have to say... they behave!

Unfortunately my daughters were born to a different dad. ie, we are a Brady Bunch... Unlike the Brady's though, our kids other parents are still in the picture. So they both got with guys that are like their dad and feel sorry for their dad who's life is like a country song...

BTW, my grandson had a great time... I took out the blowup pools and water works stuff and stripped him down and threw him in... about 5 minutes in the water and he forgot he was tired... Luckily we had some sun for about an hour...

Great advice.:thumbsup

Will move into that when my daughter turns 4.

Your kids walked at 6 Months? And stayed in one place? Typo maybe?


My boy is 8 months, he can stand when holding something, but wont stay.



But I do dig the military punishment thing.:thumbsup

take advantage of this infrequent opportunity.
If you're allowed to tell ANYONE how to raise their kids, it's YOUR kids.

I want to say it was 6 months because I remember being in an airport traveling back to NY and my mother totally disagreed with our method especially at such a young age. I could be off, but I know we started it before they were walking and that was 11 months.

We picked them up and took them over, placed them in the corner and stood there with my hand on their head or back to "put" them in the corner.

I will not hold back in public either, I've made them do pushups in the middle of the walkway in Disney World. When they were much younger we'd get a lot of looks and comments. The airport incident mentioned above had one lady glaring at me with evilness then five minutes later a lady walks by "good for you, tell my daughter to do the same."

I don't understand. How is spanking a child not the same as hitting a child? You just caved in to the cycle of abuse, sorry to say.

Hitting a child says violence is a way to solve problems. Period.

I have two kids. Neither has ever been in a school yard fight. Neither has discipline problems. Neither has ever been spanked.

Terrible Twos is just a child learning how to assert his or her self in the world. Listening to them and addressing the simple stuff that they are usually demanding, "I need food", "I need sleep", "I need love" solves the problem and promotes only good love, without the cruelty of corporal punishments, and a much deeper respect than one generated out of fear.

imo... :2 cents::thumbsup

Yea but you have to admit... youre a savant... and im sure the genes flow...

:thumbsup



EDIT - Wrong word but I hope you get my drift...

it might be possible to walk a tightrope over the grand canyon

if so, i think you might be able to do it

i've never seen someone ride the fence quite as well ;)

Asserting herself over food, sleep or attention is understandable and doesn't need punishment.
However, if it's a safety matter that could hurt her or her sister followed by a tantrum because you ask her not to. That's an entirely different matter.

nice to see so many parents beat their kids here. an uplifting holiday thread.

disturbing indeed

Bill Cosby lol

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eaUx80JGI0U

Yeah but if it is a safety matter, i.e., one child is harming another, playing with something dangerous, walking into traffic, whatever... then "no" is fine and I still say hitting someone to make them understand "no" is not necessarily constructive to handling the situation.

Every moment a parent spends with his or her child is a lesson learned so why not teach rationality through reasoning rather than through violence? Hitting a child only teaches fear and sure, fear is an easy way to control people, especially children, but how on earth is that a good thing for future members of a civil society?

im not quite sure what this means...

Let me elaborate on what I said though in case it was misunderstood.

By savant i meant intellectually advanced. Far-L has always seemed like a smarter than normal person and even better, putting those smarts to use. Im sure in his household he can talk his kid into and out of anything with logic and im going to bet his kids are more advanced than the normal youngster.

Savant was the wrong word to use. But thats also why I threw in the edit and small explaination without changing the original word.

So we should punish all people in out society without violence? Just by simply telling them no?

I know a death row inmate is much different than a 3 year old. But, punishing spankings are not abuse... unless of course its a beating.

I dont know how you all were or were not spanked or how hard you think a spanking is... but by spank I personally am talking about an abrasive pat. no red marks, no pain. Its just a stern reprimand when "no" dosnt work with the same effect just a little more serious.

like i said though, to each their own... as long as the kid is not in any physical harm.