I've heard from a lot cams is blowing up right now and dating is sucking.

People buying prepays are the cams companies.

Dude I said you were right and I was wrong. Are you such a bitter and miserable person that your only joy in life is putting others down? Seriously man get a fucking life, I enjoy your posts but you come across as a miserable miserable person. Personally I'm glad I was wrong, cam sites are now my biggest customers.

LOL this is what gets me at strip clubs. I'm like holy fuck that girl is actually working. :1orglaugh

Dating is not my fortay.. but something I do advertise. I have always wondered how much social networking sites have cut into dating sales over the last 5-6 years.

Cams is the thing that seems the most bullet proof, well behind toy sales.

happy for you... you quoted me before I was finished. If you read my entire post I don't think I was being an asshole.

i just got idea how to make millions in webcam biz, hear ya all in a year

i love MFC - it's occurred to me that I could now make a lot more money putting girls on MFC as a studio owner than spending small fortunes on solo girl paysites and making a modest return.

but i can't do that, to me it's straight out pimping, you invest nothing, you build nothing, you are living off girls who do all the work. she doesn't need a 'studio owner' to be on MFC. Back in the day lots of girls didn't have a computer of their own, a webcam and a broadband Internet connection, now they all do. No need for a studio.

the appeal of MFC for lots of guys including me is that the American girls and many of the European girls are working for themselves from home.

MFC has a feel that none of the other cam sites have. But I agree with Will, MFC hasn't hurt/killed the other cam sites, they seem just as busy as ever. There are many girls from other cam sites who give MFC a try and don't like it - they don't have the patience to build a new fanbase and probably don't like having to perform for 1,000 guys in free chat to get tips.

I think I am going to give it a try. Thanks for good tip man.
Now I can be like that Bishop Don Juan in LA. Pimp Guru. Thats right.

MFC did not invent "tipping," so not sure where you got that.

In the real world it's called temporary/employment agencies.

there are girls who love to work on a studio.. you need to run one to understand... girls like gossip, on a studio it's lot of gossip, funny discussions, lots of laughs etc

its true, on mfc lots of girls work from home, but working on a studio you get quality (image, sound, fast and optimized computers, professional webcams / camcorders, high speed internet connection etc)

as a studio owner you need to invest some serious money for quality. Girls need to feel comfortable and do their job better without having any other concerns.

Im pretty sure thats where whole gay thing started. I think Vikings invented "don't ask, don't tell" policy. 3 month at sea and suddenly you see hurdle of half naked sheep farmers greeting you with tulip flowers in assless chaps and funky orange curly toe shoes . Scary visual, but what you gonna do?

I have worked for all of the top webcam sites. To ME MFC is the one of the worst converting sites out there. I have put at least 500 girls on there and by the end of the month 90% of them no longer want to work for them because customers BARELY tip and want to see everything for free.

Even Flirt4Free.com as bad as it has down-turned these past years models are doing better there then they ever did on MFC. Yes, some girls on MFC make a substantial amount of money but I base it on pure luck.

The top 5 cam sites?

Streamate - Always converting well and EVERYONE is making money (even the ugly ones). My only diss on Streamate is that they need more features and contests
Flirt4Free - This website is more for the Pro's.. although it is expensive all of my models make good money there.
LiveJasmin - Too many performers there now. But still converts decently.
MFC - Great for the motivated performer. Very low conversions albeit.
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Think of the billions of dollars that guys spend at strip clubs. Nowadays that same guy can sit back in his own home, and jack off while telling the exact girl of his choice what to do in a HD quality live stream, often for less than what he'd usually spend at a strip club. Cams have been on the rise for over a decade with no hint of decline. There's simply no substitute for live interaction, so the proliferation of free video porn has had little impact on cams.

Yeah and a studio can do girl/girl and boy/girl cams also, not to mention all the different props. Also when working from home its easier to take too many breaks and not work as hard as you would if you had to go to a studio. So yeah I can see how a studio can be better. I wander how many cam girls from home are also watching their kids at the same time? lol

Huh? Unless something has changed recently cam4 has always been live amateur streams for over 5 years. Anything prerecorded is booted off quickly. They added tipping a year ago.

Yeah he will stop everything he is doing to try to take a swipe at me but cant even keep his site up. Still down for me.

i don' think they are the first site to have tips, pretty sure you could tip a model on cam sites before MFC. However, it is how MFC uses tipping. The tipping option years back was just a way for a private cam viewer to give the chat host a couple extra bucks for doing a good job. MFC was the first site to build a whole community around tipping and make a group thing where girls will get tipped up front by the group to do something as well as be rewarded for a job done well. While other sites had tipping, it was an after thought function that likely generated less than .01% of the sales on the site.

Not much luck involved, it's charisma, looks, smarts, personality and getting on there regularly. I have seen an 18 year old and a 19 year old who have been on MFC about a month. They have both moved up quickly, when they're on the are in the top row or if a lot of long established stars are on they are in the second row. The 18 year old held up her Iphone online banking and made 6K in her first month on MFC. The 19 year old has made at least the same.

And for me it's easy to see why, they both have the looks and personality and they are having FUN, they don't come off as if the guys in the chatroom are marks, that's a big turnoff to MFC surfers, they want a girl who seems like she's enjoying hanging out on MFC and the money is secondary and very much appreciated.

Yep yep.
Even if a girl lived at home, she would only work in your studio long enough to get an apartment, see these days all the things that use to be hard to get, she can do all on her own, and get all the money.

90% of the people are clueless just like choker. And not just with cams or dating.

Indeed MFC didnt invent "tipping".

CamsAtHome and in my old system there was also tipping embedded for members.

The only point was that we always tried to regulate the chat to avoid masturbation shows in free chat because other performers didn't appreciate it.

They are just jealous of you and your mighty cam project. :1orglaugh

Indeed I experience here the same, in other words it totally depends per girl.

The reason why for example many studios and girls work on MFC is because they offer the highest rev share model and they have good traffic.

MFC is a great business model and for certain models its a great money maker.

the biggest % is offered by adultwork.com - 70% (in british pounds), MFC offers ~ 60%

I do not know who adulwork is, but a general rule

Just because you get a bigger %, does NOT mean you will make more money!

http://www.adultwork.com

I think it's a British guy who started this site, anyone know for sure?

Interesting... I didn't know AdultWork offered that much.

How do MFC take their cut, do they just payout 60% of the tips?

they just did the best to capitalize on it. leo knows what hes doing. and laughing all the way to the bank. literally.

camwhores.com was doing the tipping thing back in 2002ish.

Adultwork.com is huge - thousands of members and they have escorts, phone, text, cams, and content for sale.

see post #58 where they doing tipping like MFC does or was it a site that just allowed guys to tip girls if she just gave them a good private show, huge difference.

Oh yeah? Unlike 99% of the posters here, the site in your signature is still 404
http://www.free-cams.co.uk/

So I'm totally clueless am I? When are you gonna make a post begging people to promote your 404 cam site, you know, the post where you will claim it's making more money than any other cam site does? Like those hundreds of posts you made in the past about promoting your shitty oneclicktube. LOL. How come not even ONE, not one of the supposed hundreds of people that have done business with you will back you up on GFY? Why is this Mr Wannabe Pirate? LOL You are very entertaining. Sucks to be you.

I'm pretty sure tips were in open chat, they had a little tagline that said they'd do X if they got X in tips. I think they could also choose whether to have their show within the members area (standard $x/mo subscription) or go public. It was definitely begging to a group, not just an afterthought from a 1-on-1.

Ouch. That go to hurt.

actually Camwhores was definitely the original MyFreeCams.

And camwhores was a copy of camrecord which was a copy of (can't remember)...... :upsidedow

I think Will is right about MFC being the first to use tips as they do..... ie the way you reward a dog with a snack if they jump through a hoop.

As regards killing off the other cam sites, as Leroy says, and lazycash has said before, there will always be customers who want privacy, intimacy (whether real or fake), friendship and "relationships".

Not everybody, and I mean performers AND customers like the MFC business model.

Why would i need to beg someone to promote it, when i have the traffic myself lol
See how clueless you are little broker friend :thumbsup

Keep clicking that sig lol, its funny how you stare yourself blind on it, basing your opinion on a siglinkie hahah :1orglaugh

Oh and in case you didnt notice, theres more then 1 backing me up, but i guess you choose to ignore that thread lol :1orglaugh

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