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Kiopa_Matt 04-17-2011 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18064201)
^Because the private sector (those who have insurance/paying cash) have been subsidizing the costs of medicare/aid thus distorting the savings of medicare/aid and helping inflate the price of insurance/cash buys.

Exactly. That's why you put the entire population into Medicare, and it helps balance things. The average 21 year old only needs to goto the doctor once a year to get stitches after he got too drunk one night, whereas the average 65 year old needs more care than that. They help balance each other out, although obviously, the baby-boomer generation is going into retirement right now which creates an uneven balance, but that's another debate all together.

TheDoc 04-17-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18064196)
You really think price controls work? Ok I'm done here because there is no hope of a debate is possible because the foundation is started with a distortion of reality.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/PriceControls.html

I never said they did or didn't work, I never said anything about them at all, you did..

An equal playing field, does not mean forced prices on an entire Industry that clearly can't happen when we have inflation alone.

But it's not like some regulation doesn't work... it clearly has, clearly does, and clearly can continue to improve things if WE the people keep doing our jobs. This isn't about economics... the market in this case is LONG gone.

IllTestYourGirls 04-17-2011 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18064212)
Exactly. That's why you put the entire population into Medicare, and it helps balance things. The average 21 year old only needs to goto the doctor once a year to get stitches after he got too drunk one night, whereas the average 65 year old needs more care than that. They help balance each other out, although obviously, the baby-boomer generation is going into retirement right now which creates an uneven balance, but that's another debate all together.

Well the flaw is that it would have to be price controlled. And as pointed out by Doc, they do not work. Another major issue yet to be addressed, in full, but pointed out, is that the US government is controlled by corporations, wall street and bankers. Do you really want them in control of your health care? I don't.

TheDoc 04-17-2011 08:14 AM

Some price controls work..... all over the place. We could force the price of pills, we could force the allowed % of re-investments, we could force a % of profits to cover costs vs. more research and hundreds of millions in marketing, if could hard set price control at donation levels, marketing, ads, allowable to push on doctors, research, etc freeing up hundreds of billions, allowing the prices to be locked - exactly like other Countries do - exactly why other Countries do it.

That doesn't mean force an entire Industry though.... just micro parts of it - bit by bit. Mostly the parts that screw us over, so in America, pretty much all of it.


Those changes happen because of Americans, not politicians. We make those laws, we vote them in, we push the messages forward. We've let them run the show far to long, and we can see what that has gotten us.

directfiesta 04-17-2011 08:20 AM

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Kiopa_Matt 04-17-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18064228)
Well the flaw is that it would have to be price controlled.

I guess that's where we have a fundamental and idealogical difference. I view health care as a right, and not a privilege or luxury for only those with money. And I definetly don't view health care as a free market industry, where intelligent, greedy, and selfish businessmen should be allowed to make their bed.

In order to have a strong nation, you must have a healthy nation.
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