Just Alex

Where is the money?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/968307-sobv-programs-payment-status-statement.html

BareBacked

He is not the owner and he has been around along time.

With all due respect please give the man a break.
We all need to make a living

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you have forget already, you have forget ...

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Just Alex

I know he's not the owner but I think he knows what happened there.
He was gone for how long?

Phillipmcd1

All the reps are gone and hiding for a year

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Sup media!

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lazycash

Back posting? He hasn't posted since July of last year.

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Phillipmcd1

He posted 3 times yesterday

media

You know where the money is.. Its where everyone else payment is.. You think you're the only person who lost something here? Give the man a break is fucking right..

I've got a kid and a fiance to feed, child support payments you probably cant fucking even fathom.. among other debts and obligations.. You wanna cast a stone? Tisk Tisk!

I've been in this business for 12 fucking years.. And anyone wants to say that I've fucked them over directly can go ahead and prove it.. I'm sure for every 1 accusation there are 10-20 positive experiences..

I have non disclosure agreements to follow. I've always tried to make sure anyone owed got their due and proper.

Your info is as good as mine at this point.. I've been doing my own things since all this started because I am not trying to fall behind.. When people pulled links and such I acted in my own way also.

Of course I was gone, and then re-appeared.. I've been off finding a fucking alternative to make my ends meet to provide for my family.. I'm not gonna sit here and defend something that is a lost cause.. when I already tried and tried to make sure shit was always handled

That explain enough for you Alex??

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candyflip

Regardless, you sold your own self out by getting in bed with some of the biggest scammers this business has seen.

Deal with the fallout like a man.

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Agent 488

jj always said he had non-disclosures as well - when he said he sold sobv to a russian hedge fund lol ...

media

I think I dealt with the fallout like a man, I moved on. Im not gonna cry and piss all over things.. Regardless of the way things went, I've got agreements and I take those things to my grave.. Its always been a good asset.

I took enough shit from this.. You have no fucking clue.. If you think you do, you probably are wrong still..

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Phoenix

i hear you and all that man

no hard feelings

but your sig right now is hilarious..lol

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lazycash

Ah, I was looking at threads started.

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media

Hey look, someone gets it!!! Brad, you know I've always tried even if things didnt go the way we both wanted them to..

Yes, I feel my sig is humerous because people seem to think Im sitting on a fucking stack of money that could choke an elephant.. Im fucking broke, I get by on a minimum earnings level right now.. I dont even have any buildup of recurring income because I've lost it all also..

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AaronM

And when Rodney Connor was caught shaving with PIBCash, many people tossed my and Tam's names into the mix suggesting the same type of b.s. that you are now suggesting about Media.

I know what it's like to have a handful of assholes trolling around GFY and running off at the mouth about things they are completely wrong on. I've known Media for years and my experiences with him have all been solid.

I spent a few years working for Wells Fargo. Now there's a company that fucks people over for FAR more than anybody in adult has ever done. How come nobody ever judged me for that?

Media had a job, did his job, and most likely lost more than you did with the situation.

DWB

I don't. And truth be told, I know for a fact he tells everyone who works/worked for him to blame him for everything.

I've found his new house, daughters new school, the license / model of his new car, some of his new sites, and a few other things he doesn't want people to know. Select people are going to get it soon.

It would have been 1000x cheaper to have paid me in full than what it's going to cost to uproot your new life and move, again.

Karma is a mother fucker JJ. You picked the wrong person to cross.

DWB

One thing I know for sure is, JJ doesn't let anyone around him get rich. He keeps everyone who works for him milking from his tit. That's how he operates.

Having said that, I believe 100% he left you broke as a joke as he did all his other employees. You may have received a small severance package, but probably not.

But you were also there when he was fucking everyone, so my pity only goes so far.

On the positive side, you'll be able to get out from under his tit and make your own living now and not have to chase him for payments that are weeks late.

fris

media has always been cool, he got fucked too remember that, if you work for subway then subway adds poison to all their products without you knowing, you dont blame the workers.

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alias

Media is cool, his opportunity with the company that owes you went sour. Times change.

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candyflip

I'm sure you've heard the old saying, "You lie with dogs, and you get fleas".

The fact that he didn't post here for months and then starts posting as if nothing happened pretty much says it all, at least for most here.

I don't have issue with Media personally, but you can't be party to a major scam and then play dumb like you didn't know what was going on and you were just an employee. People are pissed and he played a significant role, employee or not...he was one of their "trusted faces". Without these "respected" employees, the the level of scamming they pulled wouldn't have been possible.

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Here, here.. my filthy Caucasian sibling

kristin

JJ was running what seemed to be a legit business for quite awhile, as was ePassporte.

As much as we want someone to blame that is present, it's not fair to them. I am almost certain that if these owners are douchebag enough to fuck the affiliates, they will their remote, contract workers.

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AaronM

Exactly.

DWB

You also have to take into consideration that JJ wasn't always a scammer or not paying people. When I met him and started doing business with him, not a word had come out yet about anything shitty he was doing. He turned about a year in to me knowing him. maybe a little less. By that time he's late on paying you and if you tell him to fuck off, you lose 1000s of dollars that he owes you. So you bite the bullet and hope he pays you what he owes, but he never does. He just pays you enough so you don't tell him to fuck off.

But don't take my word for it. Do your homework, he wasn't always a shit head. When a lot of people started working for him he was alright. Shit happens fast and a lot of people got caught up in the middle of it all. It's not like everyone could just quit without warning and go work somewhere else. People have families to feed and bills to pay. And in JJ's case, he usually kept everyone who worked for him literally feeding from his tit, late paying them and literally on the edge of poverty. That's how he painted people into a corner and controlled them.

I don't know what media knew or didn't, but I'd that he was in the same boat everyone else was who worked for JJ, and was stuck there. I totally believe he left media high and dry like he did everyone else who worked for him.

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When the big scam hits, few are privy to the gains.

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DWB

He was.

I ended up in bed with 2 companies who were at that time legit, then went sour FAST.

Shit happens.

But this is also proof that just about any business can turn or the owners turn into shit and screw everyone. *poof*

Agent 488

what are his new programs?

there is one that seems pretty obvious but i have no proof.

kristin

We did business with him right up until the fallout and had no clue. We had an inkling something was up in July when he bought our exits and normally paid super fast and secured it for three months. Well about a week into July with no payment and no response, we pulled. A few days to a week later, shit hit the fan.

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Harmon

It's the oldest trick in the book. lend me $100, pay ya right back. A few days later? you have your money... with interest... continue for months and months until it runs into the THOUSANDS.... here ya go, not a problem - always pays on time. Stand up, top notch guy.

Guess what? You're fucked.

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most people dont realize that

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So when is kmanrox is coming back?

Agent 488

when does moses goldman make his return?

media

Funny thing is you all act like everyone was in one office.. everyone was split up, in most cases we never talked to each other unless it required it..

There were no weekly conference meetings about how we all planned to fuck over 100's of affiliates...

I didnt get the memo if there was one...

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kristin

And let me guess, you were a contract worker?

It's soooooo easy to fuck a "contract worker" over an "employee." I don't think JJ was stupid enough to have any as an employee, but I could be wrong.

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Just Alex

Right, now that you told me about your alimony, kid and fiancé I feel a lot better. Let me send you e-card with my condolences. Next thing is for JJ himself to pop up and tell me about his bills and shut, because none of us have them. I just find it amazing that for months you go silent and now pop back up like nothing ever happened.
When you left Trey and his program it sure didn't sound like you were taking on boy-toy position with sobv. What was it ? Director of something? Like someone said "you sleep with dogs ...".
But hey, lets get back to man hobbies and shit since you have non-disclosure agreement. We all understand.

Just Alex

media

You got something you wanna say to me then hit me up on icq, I'll give you my phone number.. I'll gladly wait for your call.. Go ahead and tell me how you feel.. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you have absolutely no clue.. You wanna get all cynical you can go fuck yourself.. Act like you know me and what I did or do when I disappeared.. You ever think I was so fucking depressed that this shit happened that I have not talked to people and now I'm finally coming back? That my name is completely fucking ruined in this business now and my credibility will have to be earned again? You think you know what the fuck happened with me and trey, and Porn Kings?? I was at NichePay, then Girls Gone Wild as VP over there before going over to SOBV.. You're missing pieces of the puzzle.. You're a god damn idiot.. It took me years to build up what I built up.. You're the type of person that sits and talks shit about others to feel better about his shortcomings.. ... Keep talking buddy... Keep chasing the dream..

I'll wait for your icq for my phone number..

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Agent 488

jj doesn't seem like a nice guy. he hurt a lot of people.

alias

I vouch for media. Top notch, stand up guy.

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Agent 488

why anyone would feel bound by an nda from a thief and scammer and who is responsible for destroying one's personal and business reputaion is beyond me.

alias

How many c&d or lawyer letters did you get last year? People are lawyered up.

media

Because if you go around breaking NDA with people, then who the hell would ever want to work with you again and tell you their industry secrets and such? What I learn while at a company stays with the company after I leave..

Hell, I'm still under NDA with Falcon Foto .. If I violate that I owe them $50,000 as a part of the settlement that I cannot talk about in detail. Thats up in a couple years.. then I can talk about it..

Sometimes there is a price to pay for violating the agreement, and dates that you must follow.. but I guess all the armchair lawyers on GFY know everything..

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media is a good dude, too bad he got wrapped up into the Jason Forrest vortex.

DWB

Everyone will be back. Look at ePass. They all went somewhere else and it's as if nothing happened.

All the blame always hangs on one person, who mysteriously rides into the sunset with the money while their staff knew nothing about anything.

This one is especially good though because not only will all the staff find their way back, but ALL the sites are online still with a new company, yet no one has been paid. That's as awesome as it gets and that is exactly why people do this shit. Because they can.

I've said it 100 times. It is absolutely impossible, no matter how bad you fuck up or how big of a criminal you are, YOU CAN NOT FLUNK OUT OF PORN.

All you have to do is come back, sped a few days getting kicked around on the boards, and it's back to business as if nothing happened.

I love porn.

alias

Porn 4L.

DWB

Fuckin'-a right.

Just Alex

Cry me a fucking river. He was depressed... Grow a pair. Come out here and call me an idiot without even knowing who I am. Fuck you!
Give me your email so can send you e-card and tell you how I fucking feel about your child support and anxiety disorder. One thing for sure is that I will never promote another program that has your name on it.

Just Alex

I bet you learned a lot at sobv. Make sure you pass that knowledge over to your next employer.