BFT3K

This is a full documentary, so you need to have some time, but it reveals the truth.

Something most of you right wingers don't want to know about, or believe.

http://vimeo.com/20622744

Grassroots my ass!

TripleXPrint

What's your obsession with the tea party?

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BFT3K

Watch the video and then ask me again.

I am anti-brainwashing, anti-propaganda, and I do not believe corporate interests should trump the interests of the average people.

Same question could have been asked about Joseph Goebbels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

TripleXPrint

Is that everyone's "go to" card these days? They're Nazis!

I don't know shit about the tea party because they don't directly affect my life. As obsessed you are with them, you'd think they broke into your house, fucked your daughter, killed your wife, and impregnated your cat. I just see the tea party as another group of extremists, the same way I few some liberal organizations. Just because they're the "other party" it's wrong and they're Nazis, right?

Get over it man. Move on.

P.S. The entire government, both Dems and Repukes are all about propaganda. If you are anti-propaganda, you may want to look into a one-way ticket to fantasy island.

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BFT3K

Good luck with your Pro Apathy mindset.

As the saying goes...

If you don't stand for something, then you will fall for anything.

nation-x

interesting... I paid for this video some time ago... now it's free :P

TangibleAsset

Thanks for the share.

jigg

The Tea Party is not what it started with any more.

It's turned into the party of old, white angry racists. My partner's parents watch Beck, blame the Blacks for everything, think the Muslims and the atheists are after them because they're Christians. My mother in law thinks all channels should be banned and only TBN should be broadcast and everyone should be going to church on Sundays. This is what apparently their friends and neighbors think as well, she keeps talking about it all the time.

They all think America is Christian country and must go back to the so called Christian principles where it's the official religion nothing more nothing less

My partner's brother too. And he doesn't pay taxes, he gets tax refunds instead because he has 2 young kids. Won't learn anything, won't get any skills, has had the same job he complains is tired of, lived off his condo's equity then got an ARM loan for a $400k house with $40k salary, got foreclosed on it, bought a condo that's now being foreclosed on too - but Obama sucks, the blacks are getting free stuff but he's not getting anything. Voted tea party in the elections

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fatfoo

The video is interesting. All the different voters have different opinions.

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The Demon

ROFLROFLRFOL one of the dumbest human beings I've ever typed to and definitely the dumbest by gfy standards is claiming he's anti brainwashing and anti propaganda. The irony is too good to pass up.

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PR_Glen

choosing a side just to choose sides is far more dangerous not to mention ignorant... being objective is what every voter should be when making that decision.

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Mike Dutch

those are the same people that do the sales on our sites

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Gouge

Unlike George Soros Billionaire Progressive Agenda.

Gouge

Its the go to card for inherently ignorant people like BFT3K.

You also have to remember that BFT3K's posting abilities are very limited, he only has a handfull of subjects he posts over and over. Then when he stats losing ground in those same threads he will resort to posting some random picture as if hes some l33t 4chan nerd.

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Vendzilla

there are people pushing on both sides, if you don't like Obama, you're a racist, if you want to cut spending in Washington, you're a baby killer.

Funny thats the blast coming from those that are against peaceful protest

Yet most of them just want to the government to stop spending more than it makes and why would anyone have something against that?

Some people don't understand how you can put 30 million people on medical insurance and save money.

Some people voted for Obama because they were tired of the two wars we are in are wondering why we are still in one war,and have 50,000 soldiers involved in a country that we are no longer at war with, yet attacking yet another country.

But instead of arguing that, you will bring up how someone has a theory as to who is behind the Tea Party, taking away from the core values of those that are IN IT!

So instead of coming up with excuses, answer this

How can you put 30 million people on the entitlement of health care and save money?

Do you think the way Obama handles the budget, we will be better off in 10 years because of it?

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think about that

jigg

not everyone who dislikes Obama is a racist, it's really stupid to suggest that and there's a tendency for the libs to scream racism when they're challenged. Stupid and annoying imo

There are legit issues that need to be addressed - like why is he surrounded by lobysts when he said the door would be closed on them? Why is NBC/GE guy in charge of jobs when that company is the biggest exporter. And so on

However the push-back before he was even in office, just after he got elected was heavily racist driven by the typical white, old, evangelicals and rednecks of the South where racism exists even today. See the recent news of 48% who want interracial marriage banned!

When he was elected my partner rang back home, and the first thing that my in-laws said was how the blacks would now run the country, and how he's going to start giving them handouts and free houses like they get where they live and so on. They live in the bible belt, in the thick of it. My partner's aunt is on Facebook as are a lot his family and their walls are open - same thing there, they all live in the South, hundreds of friends. Lots of racist overtones, race-baiting jokes and stereotypes and their general consensus is that born-again Christians are superior, if you don't have Jesus you're doomed and it's your fault the country is falling apart.


It's my understanding that the modern day tea party started with Ron Paul actually, it had nice core values until it was co-opted by the GOP machine.

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2MuchMark

I didn't watch the video yet but I will. I read the description, and saw this line:

"Are the Tea Party protestors really just pawns in a plan to replace government with a privatized America?"

Um, YEAH!!! Isn't it obvious?

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spazlabz

I watched 25 minutes of this video. Most of the information they provided in it I had already seen and I have reached my saturation point with these kind of politics. I am very disappointed in the support regular Americans have given to the Tea Party and the Republicans voting and supporting ideology in direct opposition to their own best interests.

Kiopa_Matt

The Tea Party is just a prime example of how easily average idiots can be manipulated.

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Vendzilla

Only a moron would generalize an entire group as having lower intelligence than they do. Because it's those kind of generalizations that are no different than racism.

What is it that they want that you are against? Seriously!

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think about that

Kiopa_Matt

Manipulation vs. selfishness (which how publicly elected politicians should be acting).

PS. In that video, I love the seniors (who are more than likely on Medicare) screaming for the government to keep its hands off their healthcare, lol

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TheDoc

No... It's just that almost all of those people never bitched UNTIL Obama was going to be elected. If cutting spending is related to baby killing, then clearly something stupid is being cut when so many things are being ignored that don't have to do with people.

99% of the people at the tea party protests do not have that message... they support a mixture of messages backed by corporate agenda's, easily seen/heard just by looking.

You get your foot in the door first, then you work on the local level, to force in very tight regulations, exactly like every other Country in the World as done to our Medical Companies.

He campaigned on ending Iraq, which he did do... we will have military in the Iraq forever. And he campaigned on more war in Afghan and said he would fight more if needed. Anyone that thinks differently didn't listen.

The American people wanted to stop Iraq... the rest is wtf ever. That is until Obama was elected, then the other side started to bitch about Wars and forgot that we were attacked.

It makes no difference if YOU think they have core values or a good message.. they do not give off that message to the American people.

Probably 10,000 different ways... a simple one being that you over pay for healthcare by like 75% already, so plenty of room to tax you, you could pay less than you do now if they would force them to stop screwing us, while covering everyone.

Question is, will our leaders grow a set of balls or feed the corporate agenda even more.... it's not like one side does it and the other doesn't, this is all sides.

So the reality is, yeah it can be done easily - the question is, will our shitty gov do it?

Is anyone actually handling the budget correctly, from any side, or even truly suggesting a real no b.s. solution? All I hear from the Dem & Reps in power is complete bullshit, nobody is every half ass trying to confront the real issues, everyone is going after 'party' favs... the puppet show is going 24/7 for the American people.

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Vendzilla

See this is where you are losing the arguement, because of the new healthcare law, seniors are paying more for their healthcare, go ahead, ask a senior, none of them are happy

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think about that

spazlabz

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. I do not think they are idiots, instead I think they are intellectually lazy. They do not take the time and effort to do their own research, to read about the issues they support. They do not question the buzz words that are being thrown at them.

The best lie contains some truth - old axiom

So if someone wants to control a large segment of the population they pepper in truths with half truths and flat out lies and mix in plenty of 'us against them' and a healthy dosage of fear... gotta have that fear.

Once the segment of the population is good and worked up, they can be easily controlled and moved to act for those doing the controlling. I know it sounds like tinfoil hat area, but if you step back and really look you will see that is exactly what is happening here.

These people have been moved to angrily oppose things that are clearly in their own best interest... it is brilliant, but it is bad for the country. The government no longer fears the populace, the populace fears the government and any boogieman they decide to create.

Keep a population in debt, in fear and uneducated and they wont even notice the new American caste system you slid under their soft round asses

just my

spazlabz

here is where you might be missing the important point that the new healthcare law really doesn't make anyone happy. Obama fucked it all up by allowing the republicans to pressure him out of what would have been good for the country and into creating a garbage bill that is so weak is does nothing but make the health insurance and drug companies much richer.

he started off with a compromise position and then compromised any real change right out of the bill... he is a pathetic leader


and before anyone jumps in here and calls me a racist (which happened before) I was a rabid supporter of Obama until he proved he has the leadership ability of a scared first grader trembling on the playground

12clicks

He lives off the dole and hates anything that might get in the way of his free ride

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I doubt you'll get an answer to this from these halfwits

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Vendzilla

Just seems that any cuts that happen, thats the first thing the liberals scream and you know it


I have friends that are very involved in the Tea Party, they want fiscal responsibility first and foremost


So what you're saying is government control of our medical system, do you really trust the government that much?


50,000 troops still there, where is that an end?
Thing is that people hated Bush for going to war and those readily voted for Barry because it and they got the same thing, When Barry said that during his campaign, My first thought was WTF?

People are tired of being the world police, If Barry wasn't such an asshat, he would listen

Only a liberal thinks they don't have a good message, conservative think otherwise

And the only way that the government can control those costs is to control healthcare, which is something Barry said wasn't happening

I keep hearing corporate agenda this and corporate agenda that, it's all the corporations fault, they are out to make money and the government is allowing them to, Barry and his machine did a lot of damage to the country in the two years they fucked with things, first things first, get rid of NAFTA

I see that pigs are flying over Washington right now

After Boehner giving in on the budget, I agree, we can have a balanced budget again, just some politicians are going to have to grow balls

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think about that

Vendzilla

He wasn't pressured by republicans, he was pressured by independents to make changes, Republicans voted no on everything. Working with the GOP to build something that was simple and worked would have been better.


I know, but I can still try

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think about that

nation-x

They oppose regulation of the financial services industry

they deny climate change and oppose Cap and Trade (which I support) by calling it "Cap and Tax" even though the same solution has been in use for almost 2 decades under the Clean Air Act which was signed into law by Bush Sr.

they oppose health care reform (calling is socialism and "ObamaCare") when it's basically the law that was proposed by Bob Dole and the Republicans during the "HillaryCare" fight...

many of the groups promote evangelical christian social ideas such as downplaying science education in exchange for teaching creationism, opposing equal marriage/treatment of homosexuals, the right of women to choose if they abort pregancy, etc etc... not to mention that many of them have proposed outlawing porn period

they oppose regulating mining (and private business in general... even when there is a safety issue at stake)

I can spend all day here making a list...

BFT3K

I don't take 10 cents from the government asshole. No handouts whatsoever!

As Mr. America, why don't you explain to us why all of your 2257 notices are in the UK..

Fuck off!

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sure kid.

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I am aware that the Republicans voted no on everything. It illuminates how sad Obama is that even though they voted no on everything he continued to try and come to some sort of agreement with them. The dems added in amendment after amendment that the right wanted only to be slapped in the face with more no votes.

He (Obama) was delusional believing that a compromise was possible. It never was and still isn't. They want him to be a one term President and don't really care how they go about making that happen. You suggest that he should have been working with the GOP to come up with a workable solution but you and I both know that the GOP had/have a policy of making sure Obama gets no victories at all... they have stated it and proven it repeatedly.

what I do not understand is that otherwise intelligent people like yourself defend a party that has decided that they will do anything to regain and control power oftentimes in direct opposition for what is in the best interest of the country.

It is fine to disagree with the policy of the opposing party and to have party unity (god knows the dems could use some of that). But to do it at the cost of the American people and society as a whole shows such a supreme arrogance and disregard for the offices they hold it is shocking.

I am so liberal I am sure many people would gleefully call me a socialist, but when the 'progressive party' fucks up I call them on it. If they were voting no ON EVERYTHING I would be up in arms screaming for them to pull their heads out of their asses.

They work for us, all of us. No matter how much they disagree with the left it represents a lot of Americans and politics is the art of compromise. I think people like you and other (for lack of a better word) conservatives should be shouting at them to do their damned jobs. I know I had been doing it to the dems until I became so disgusted by them I gave up

TheDoc

Well don't cut planned parent hood, pbs, etc and you wont have the "people" bitching.. they aren't liberals.


I have liberal friends that are racists... thing is, they're rare in both cases.


Do I trust it more than the current insurance companies? Oh hell yeah, but shit tons. I can't vote with a Corp, I have a voice with my Gov and for sure local with my votes.

And the VA works great, it's also greatly under funded, but damn sure nothing wrong with it. So yeah, I think the Gov can handle it being that they already do.




Most people expected we would stay in Iraq to help unscrew what we screwed up. The people wanted us to stop fighting in Iraq, no more Iraq war. Not Afghan, not other countries, just Iraq.

The people didn't hate Bush for going to war, they hated bush for his lies and illegal war that was built on pure lies.

During Obama's campaign for example, him saying he would put more attention into Afghan was followed by cheers.


If the people truly wanted this, they would stand up and say so, and bitch at the State/local level then elect Local/States leaders that want the same thing, then Congress could be forced to bring up the topic, ie: the actual group of people that can reverse our policies that keep us in so many Countries.


That would be incorrect... been many many many recent polls, even on Fox, showing the Tea Party is slipping, all around. Even more so with the core voting block that they need to actually win an election, thinks they're a bunch of clowns.


That would be something your State/Local would do, not the Fed. The Fed creates the guidelines, the State takes control after that, the Fed can regulate the States for a requirement to get funded, and make sure they get funded as well... but it's the States that 'improve' on it, regulate the industry, etc... the State is only going to do this if they're forced by the Fed or the people, otherwise it runs crazy like it has been.


They already make money and they use the government to make more. It's pretty clear, the Corps want the Fed to be pushed to sidelines, like the Queen is in England so they can run the nation and not the Fed..... The damage was already done before Obama stepped into office. The take over today is happening at the State level, it's not Obama ripping away rights, raising State taxes, spending funds... he has no power over that, YOU do.

Removing NAFTA isn't going to fix our Country.... it would get rid of some stupid agreements creating fake debt on paper though.


It would be possible if half the Country wasn't trying to get rid of it, rather than joining together and trying to get it improved for everyone.... but that's when pigs really fly.



Nobody has even come close to proposing a budget that would actually help us.... even if one of them has brass balls, they would still screw this up because of all the bickering.

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nation-x

That about sums it up in one sentence... it has defined his presidency.

BFT3K

spazlabz

I won't get into it about the Koch brothers, they have done what they have been doing for a very long time. Grats to them for doing what is in their best interest.

The problem is not those huge contributors but how easily our representative government is corrupted by them. Even the judicial branch is heavily compromised and when I saw that happen I basically gave up. There is absolutely no conceivable way back from the damage done to our electoral process when corporations have the same ability to finance campaigns as the individual citizen does.

game over man, toss in the towel

Vendzilla

Ok, pay attention, did you see all the money that went to GREEN jobs that have companies that are laying off right now after receiving billions?
They just don't believe that a country that's biggest parts of it's budget is entitlements can handle more burdens
But you're not talking about the tea party then, you're bringing up other groups

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/mission.aspx

do you have a problem with
?Fiscal Responsibility
?Constitutionally Limited Government
?Free Markets

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think about that

nation-x

The first thing you need to know is that Tea Party Patriots was started by FreedomWorks which was started from Citizens for a Sound Economy - All of which are Koch foundations. If you watch the video above you will see how Citizens for a Sound Economy used fake grassroots campaigns and propaganda to fight regulation of big tobacco (and HillaryCare) - and those internal documents are publicly available as part of the tobacco settlement... so you can read for yourself how they have been utilizing these tactics for decades. Ever heard the term Kochtopus?

This is the thing about their mission statements... they are propaganda, pure and simple.

Fiscal Responsibility = kill off all entitlement programs for the poor and seniors but continue to provide subsidies to oil companies by all means

Constitutionally Limited Government - don't try and regulate private industry... especially convicted polluters such as Koch Industries

Free Markets - See above - deregulate deregulate deregulate

Deregulation is what led to the financial crisis.

nation-x

If you really want to see a deficit reduction plan... go read the Fiscal Commission report (kindly referred to as the "cat food" report by liberals). Inside you will find that we could eliminate the deficit purely by getting rid of subsidies to corporations... those subsidies are what allowed GE to earn $14B last year domestically and get back a $3.2 billion tax refund.

spazlabz

excellent post. By using terms like Fiscal Responsibility, limit government and free markets the far right put themselves in a position of superiority to all others. They use terms that no one could argue with, however they redefine those terms to fit their political agenda. By taking the power to name issues the way they want, the4 automatically put the opposition is a position of defending themselves making it nearly impossible for the other side to get their views out. Instead we see dems who are stumble over what to say, some are incredulous at what they hear and are left speechless.

nation-x

Obama has pointed this out on many occasions... including in the State of the Union. These groups use very general terms like "Americans for a Greater Tomorrow" and things like that. Their mission statements are just like the ones above... very general terms.

nation-x

spazlabz

Ok I have to agree with the fact that the biggest part of our Government's economy is what you refer to as 'entitlements'

But the Tea Party is going after the wrong ones. There are three huge expenses that we pay for every single year

Social Security
MediCare/Medicaid
National Defense

all three of those are entitlement programs as far as I am concerned. But none of those are on the table except for the extreme that say privatize the first 2. Defense being the sacred calf no one will touch.

The fact of the matter is that all of those big 3 have horrendous waste and abuse built into the system. All 3 need massive reform, to be put under a microscope and have deep cuts made.

I pointed out in a thread last week that the F22 is one of the biggest wastes of money we have ever paid for as a nation, yet even though it requires 4 hours of maintenance for every single hour of flight time and rain screws it up in a big way, we STILL waste money on that flying turd. Sure it has all the bells and whistles but seriously, they dont fly it in the rain! The defense department has chosen to spend billions of dollars on hi tech toys that serve no useful purpose beyond the cool factor and the private sector jobs instead of taking care of the troops in the field. They have been cutting back on the benefits that I enjoyed when I was active duty to the point now where it is not that good of a job to have.

I would support any politician that talked about reforming those three items in a gradual responsible way...but when you have Lockheed Martin buying you drinks you tend to buy their albatrosses no matter what the cost; because if you dont spend all the money now you get less next year.

Watch Bill Maher sometime, I tried to find a video on youtube about it. But he created a visual of the fed's budget that had two big pieces of chicken, a heaping pile of mashed potatoes, some mac and cheese that took up most of the plate. then a tiny piece of carrot and some parsley. He points out that the cuts that are being proposed are all coming from the miniature corn, carrots and parsley while the three huge items go untouched.

If the Tea Party really is fiscally responsible they would want huge reforms to the big three FIRST, and leave the little things alone like headstart, NPR, PBS and planned parenthood

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QFT!

BFT3K

Great clip!

Vendzilla

Most of the tea party people would agree with you, so I ask this, can we afford another big entitlement? aka healthcare.

Example would be fix the problems we have before you create more

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think about that

Vendzilla

You are bashing the core values that they put out, claiming where they started, so what?
it's those values that got the butts in the seats and got out the votes.

You scream deregulation
So you're for more regulation? More red tape to build a business? Just asking

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think about that