US increasing digital searches of laptops at international airports...

[sperbonzo]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/border-search/

"The authorities may seize laptops, cameras and other digital devices at the U.S. border without a warrant, and scour through them for days hundreds of miles away, a federal appeals court ruled.

The 2-1 decision (.pdf) Wednesday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals comes as the government is increasingly invoking its broad, warrantless search-and-seizure powers at the U.S. border to probe the digital lives of travelers.

Under the ?border search exception? of United States law, international travelers, including U.S. citizens, can be searched without a warrant as they enter the country. Under the Obama administration, law enforcement agents have aggressively used this power to search travelers? laptops, sometimes copying the hard drive before returning the computer to its owner.

Courts have ruled that such laptop searches can take place even in the absence of any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and more than 6,500 persons have had their electronic devices searched in this manner since October 2008."




Change you can believe in!!





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[u-Bob]

[Sly]

Copy the hard drives of business travelers that have sensitive data on their computers? Sweet, I can't wait to see what the TSA hacks do with that data.

Sounds like a new marketing angle for cloud hosting. Don't give the Americans your sensitive corporate data, host with us!

[Phoenix]

wow...warrantless searches and seizures eh

welcome comrades, to the new future

[Tom_PM]

Havent flown since the 90's and every time there's another story, it makes flying less and less attractive idea. Either they'll jam a finger in my butt, copy my porn, or the roof rips off like a tin can. terrible

[V_RocKs]

Sounds like a great way for the Chinese to hack the TSA and steal the world's secrets.

[96ukssob]

thats fucked IMO.

I just traveled back from Italy just over two weeks ago and took some 1,000 or so pictures. Before I left, I uploaded the 32GB memory card to my server in case this would happen

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by bossku69

thats fucked IMO.

I just traveled back from Italy just over two weeks ago and took some 1,000 or so pictures. Before I left, I uploaded the 32GB memory card to my server in case this would happen

This is why I don't carry ANYTHING on my laptop. I deal with a ton of very sensitive financial data, so everything stays on servers behind firewalls and is accessed remotely.




I think everyone should think about doing something similar


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[pornguy]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Change you can believe in!!





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Silly goose you got that wrong.


Its


" Change your GOING TO BELIEVE IN! "

You have no choice.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This is why I don't carry ANYTHING on my laptop. I deal with a ton of very sensitive financial data, so everything stays on servers behind firewalls and is accessed remotely.




I think everyone should think about doing something similar


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great idea

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Silly goose you got that wrong.


Its


" Change your GOING TO BELIEVE IN! "

You have no choice.

Ya! Dis iz "change you VILL belief ein!"


Ve haf vays of making you belief, Ach so?



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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Courts have ruled that such laptop searches can take place even in the absence of any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and more than 6,500 persons have had their electronic devices searched in this manner since October 2008."

Change you can believe in!!

This just shows you how fucking ignorant people are. From your comment "change you can believe in" your making it look like this is Obama's fault, and your trying to place blame on him. Yet take a look at the date you mentioned - October 2008 - and then compare that to when Obama took office. He took in 2009, and this started in 2008.

So place blame on Bush and the Republican party, who was in office at the time.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

This is why I don't carry ANYTHING on my laptop. I deal with a ton of very sensitive financial data, so everything stays on servers behind firewalls and is accessed remotely.




I think everyone should think about doing something similar


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That way you and homeland security can BOTH access the data.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Sly

Don't give the Americans your sensitive corporate data, host with us!

and we promise to share it with no one; no, really, we do! with us your data is as secure as your money with epassporte ;)

[woj]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This just shows you how fucking ignorant people are. From your comment "change you can believe in" your making it look like this is Obama's fault, and your trying to place blame on him. Yet take a look at the date you mentioned - October 2008 - and then compare that to when Obama took office. He took in 2009, and this started in 2008.

So place blame on Bush and the Republican party, who was in office at the time.

It doesn't matter who passed the law and when, the fact that he is not doing anything about it implies he is ok with it...

[MaDalton]

www.logmein.com

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This just shows you how fucking ignorant people are. From your comment "change you can believe in" your making it look like this is Obama's fault, and your trying to place blame on him. Yet take a look at the date you mentioned - October 2008 - and then compare that to when Obama took office. He took in 2009, and this started in 2008.

So place blame on Bush and the Republican party, who was in office at the time.

Yes, it started under Bush, and it has INCREASED under Obama, so I guess Obama totally approves of it.


In other words, Nothing has changed, therefore the irony of the "Change you can Believe in" quote holds up doesn't it?


The ignorance appears to be your, my friend.

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[seeric]

never take a laptop out of the usa, or into it. if you are an internet ninja, then well, you should already be in the cloud. no need to ever carry a laptop out. people are mobile. money making machines are not.

it's called being smarter than the government.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by pornopete

cookies? passwords?

Nope, it is only carried in my brain.




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[Archivist]

This will only annoy people who aren't doing anything wrong. Anyone that was plotting something evil would laugh at this.

[_Richard_]

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yes, it started under Bush, and it has INCREASED under Obama, so I guess Obama totally approves of it.


In other words, Nothing has changed, therefore the irony of the "Change you can Believe in" quote holds up doesn't it?


The ignorance appears to be your, my friend.

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Bush started the policy prior to 2007 - the article mentions a case in 2007 - and it started to increase in 2008, before Obama took office. The increase started before Obama got into office and your blaming it on Obama.

Your saying that Obama hasn't changed the law and thus supports it. And that might be the case; I don't know and I don't care. But don't make it look like Obama started this when this started under and was accelerated under the Bush administration.

This shit kills me. Your taking the facts and twisting them around.

Both sides do it. If McCain won, we would be debating if being born in the "Panama Canal Zone" really qualifies him to be president because he wasn't born in the Continental US and asking him for his birth certificate. We did this during Bush too questioning the legally of our actions in Iraq while the truth is a defacto state of war existed between the US and Iraq all through out Clinton's administration.

I'm just saying both sides need to stop twisting stuff to back their point.

Your article discusses a case in 2007 and then these searches increased BEFORE Obama was in the White House.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Ya! Dis iz "change you VILL belief ein!"


Ve haf vays of making you belief, Ach so?



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Who in the FUCK is talking in Ebonics?....And your ebonics SUCK ASS....Let me yap some Yiddish JEW JIVE on this board and see what you think about that.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yes, it started under Bush, and it has INCREASED under Obama, so I guess Obama totally approves of it.


In other words, Nothing has changed, therefore the irony of the "Change you can Believe in" quote holds up doesn't it?


The ignorance appears to be your, my friend.

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It STARTED under Bush....Meaning that Bush was the one who INITIATED it....Moron.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Bush started the policy prior to 2007 - the article mentions a case in 2007 - and it started to increase in 2008, before Obama took office. The increase started before Obama got into office and your blaming it on Obama.

Your saying that Obama hasn't changed the law and thus supports it. And that might be the case; I don't know and I don't care. But don't make it look like Obama started this when this started under and was accelerated under the Bush administration.

This shit kills me. Your taking the facts and twisting them around.

Both sides do it. If McCain won, we would be debating if being born in the "Panama Canal Zone" really qualifies him to be president because he wasn't born in the Continental US and asking him for his birth certificate. We did this during Bush too questioning the legally of our actions in Iraq while the truth is a defacto state of war existed between the US and Iraq all through out Clinton's administration.

I'm just saying both sides need to stop twisting stuff to back their point.

Your article discusses a case in 2007 and then these searches increased BEFORE Obama was in the White House.

The only sense made in this whole thread.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I'm just saying both sides need to stop twisting stuff to back their point.

Exactly, this has been going on way before Obama, in fact I know 2 people that had their laptops seized and returned days later. Both before Obama was in office.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

...and the laaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd of thhhhhhhhe FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by BVF

Who in the FUCK is talking in Ebonics?....And your ebonics SUCK ASS....Let me yap some Yiddish JEW JIVE on this board and see what you think about that.

what exactly is ebonics?

the 'accent' he is using is straight up, horrible example of a german accent.

HAY FUN BOYZ

[Ron Bennett]

Such searches date back to at least the mid 1990s - this isn't new, but is now more widely known and occurs far more often.

Ron

[Frasier]

just what the hell do they hope to find? Anyone who wanted to bring in digital 'terrorist information' 'bomb plans' 'insurgency plans for the revolution' etc etc, certainly wont keep it on a laptop they are flying with.

My guess is, they are looking for real nude wives pics.

[The Dawg]

Originally Posted by Frasier

just what the hell do they hope to find? Anyone who wanted to bring in digital 'terrorist information' 'bomb plans' 'insurgency plans for the revolution' etc etc, certainly wont keep it on a laptop they are flying with.

My guess is, they are looking for real nude wives pics.

I guess they are looking for some Jack Bauer type shit. You know schematics, blue prints... anything that you could upload to Bauer's PDA.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by BVF

Who in the FUCK is talking in Ebonics?....And your ebonics SUCK ASS....Let me yap some Yiddish JEW JIVE on this board and see what you think about that.

LOL he wasn't trying to do ebonics.

[dyna mo]

what about you shooters who travel abroad? y'all upload gigs and gigs from a remote location???

[Tom_PM]

"These aren't the droids you're looking for."

"These aren't the droids we're looking for."

"Move along."

"Move along."

[Agent 488]

obama = hitler.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by BVF

Who in the FUCK is talking in Ebonics?....And your ebonics SUCK ASS....Let me yap some Yiddish JEW JIVE on this board and see what you think about that.

You are hilarious! Did you actually try sounding it out? It was a joke GERMAN accent.... You know, play on Nazi's, blah blah? (I don't speak Yiddish btw, and as far as I'm concerned, you can make fun of any accent you want, it won't bother me! LOL)

Originally Posted by BVF

It STARTED under Bush....Meaning that Bush was the one who INITIATED it....Moron.

Apparently no one here has any reading comprehension, or understanding of IRONY.

Let me spell this out for the knee-jerk political peanut gallery:

There was no point in my post where I said, or IMPLIED, that Obama started this.

The motto was "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN". This implied that under Obama there would be CHANGES, right?

This policy has not changed at all, it has apparently accelerated.

That would cause the slogan "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN", to have a somewhat ironic ring, since in fact, nothing much has CHANGED.


Can you guys even BEGIN to understand the concept of irony, or is that explanation completely wasted on you, (since your guy, Obama, can do no wrong)?




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[Due]

I'm wondering how they deal with encrypted data, does anyone know ?

I have previously denied the IRS access to search my laptop as they wouldn't specify what they where looking for. They seized it using some VAT laws that allows them random searches without a court order / judge or warrant... Now they've been bugging me for more than a year to come pickup all my shit...

Bottom line is that this is no new thing (this was in 2006) and this was in Europe so it's not just an American thing.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Due

Bottom line is that this is no new thing (this was in 2006) and this was in Europe so it's not just an American thing.

True, but we are SUPPOSED to have the 4th amendment of the constitution in order to protect us from unreasonable search and seizure ...




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[Elli]

That' sjust fantastic. I always upload stuff to my space (encrypted, etc) when I travel so my laptop is clean of anything private. This just confirmed my suspicions.

[fuzebox]

Man, I have an international flight tonight, and wanted to take my full size laptop (no encryption, lots of sensitive data) instead of my usual netbook (squeaky clean)... Decisions decisions, no time to do anything other than grab one of them and go.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what about you shooters who travel abroad? y'all upload gigs and gigs from a remote location???

Years ago when I used to travel internationally to shoot in Canada, Brazil and other places, I would copy my mini-DV tapes, photos & paperwork and Fedex the originals to my own office a couple of days before I returned and track them via Fedex to make sure they arrived before I crossed borders.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by BVF

Who in the FUCK is talking in Ebonics?....And your ebonics SUCK ASS....Let me yap some Yiddish JEW JIVE on this board and see what you think about that.

I think he was going for a German accent there

[Barry-xlovecam]

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[Due]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

True, but we are SUPPOSED to have the 4th amendment of the constitution in order to protect us from unreasonable search and seizure ...




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Same thing in Europe (in most countries I believe) but it was possible as I had a business registered at my home and then again it's only possible if it's a TAX or VAT case.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Years ago when I used to travel internationally to shoot in Canada, Brazil and other places, I would copy my mini-DV tapes, photos & paperwork and Fedex the originals to my own office a couple of days before I returned and track them via Fedex to make sure they arrived before I crossed borders.

thanks, was thinking of the same + uploading, but i guess the upload is the unknown factor, depending on where you are eh. say for instance, prague, would a foreign shooter there have access to high bandwidth? the hotel?

[borked]

People in European countries that are civil servants already have apps that encrypt user-specified directories using their own country's algorithms with a 'warning' that the contents of that directory are protected by that country's international diploamcy laws (or something like that).

Why something similar couldn't be extended to non-civil servents seems to be trivial.

[Zyber]

Upload speed
Finding a fast upload connection can be a challenge if you are abroad. Hotels usually have slow connection. Internet cafes limit your speed in order to force you to spend more minutes etc. Your best bet is to borrow internet from a good friend on the location.

Travelling with "empty" laptop
Remember that it is not simply enough to delete the files from your laptop just before departure. Once when files have been stored on the harddisk, they can easily be recovered with the right software.
That means all your regular web browsing activity, instant messaging, opened documents might still be recovered. You are more safe with HTTPS websites, since browsers don't store them in the temporary files folder.

In the article it said that the laptops and the camera were moved 170 miles away. That could indicate that they were taken to a special data recovery laboratory.

Jim_Gunn's idea with Fedexing the stuff was probably a good compromise. Although I doubt there is no guarantee that those packages couldn't also be opened and copied. Who knows?

[OY]

Obama is looking more and more like someone guided by old administration (also called Bush administration) - I am disappointed....

[Rochard]

If you think about it, this is some fucking stupid shit.

You can ship your hard drive back across the border and no one will pay it any attention.

[datatank]

Originally Posted by seeric

never take a laptop out of the usa, or into it. if you are an internet ninja, then well, you should already be in the cloud. no need to ever carry a laptop out. people are mobile. money making machines are not.

it's called being smarter than the government.

LOL so you buy a new one every time you cross the US border to access your "cloud" ?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This just shows you how fucking ignorant people are. From your comment "change you can believe in" your making it look like this is Obama's fault, and your trying to place blame on him. Yet take a look at the date you mentioned - October 2008 - and then compare that to when Obama took office. He took in 2009, and this started in 2008.

So place blame on Bush and the Republican party, who was in office at the time.

I think he was pointing out that there's no real difference between Bush or Obama or whoever the next guy with promises about change will be.

[czarina]

now you know, guys, no traveling with porn in your computers!