Look, I see you've changed this to now include weapons, and that's great, but it's another debate. It doesn't matter what martial art you train in, if the other guys has a knife, and you don't, you are going to get cut. Do you understand the term "Red Herring"?

It doesn't sound like you need to train in any martial art, it sounds more like you need to move.

At the end of the day, BJJ 4 times a week will get you in shape, it is bar none one of the most effective martial arts to train and know. Kung Fu is a joke, with the exception of SanDa fighting.

Jeet kune do too?

Are you familiar with the the body process called Adrenal Dump? And what your body does when faced with it? The goal of sport fighting is to use the most basic movements and large body muscles to win a fight.

Sport fight - 3 Five Minute Rounds, snap, nap, tap, or ktfo your opponent.

Street fight - Lasts less than a minute, hit hard, hit fast, and keep hitting till you win.

Who has a better chance winning. Me, who trains and spars in Muay Thai, BJJ, MMA? Or... say You who has trained in breaking someone's spine and Karate when you were 18? That would make you close to my age, with your kid, in your 40's?

Simple answer really.

JKD has integrated BJJ into their training. I wonder why? :)

I guess they were getting tired of loosing to Sport fighters.

it depends on how agile you are with your legs. for BJJ you will need quadriceps like rocks

This thread is funny.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Anthony would beat me. Why?? Because i know he carries a GLOCK. Plus he's Asian and Asians are good shots.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Trained with Danny Inosanto as a teen for 6 years learning JKD, then as an adult i had the Honer of Working with Danny Inosonto for 8 years, teaching him BJJ. That man is the real Deal on every level and at every Martial Art. He wore a white belt, blue belt, purple belt, brown belt, before attained his black in BJJ. He is a legit Black belt in BJJ. BJJ is and has been incorporated into JKD for some time. about 12+ years already.


Danny Inosanto would whoop Steven Segal today at about 70 years old. That is one bad dude!!

I've got sexy swimmer legs czarina. :) Just Dave on the other hand, has got legs like tree trunks and can do splits and straddles.

Mr Miagee Kung Fu vs fat MMA fighter

I've been a black belt in Judo, (hasnt everyone?) got caught up in some triad wing chun school nonsense, then some bo-jitsu but found aikido the best for the I can beat you up, but also feel like I am doing it in a kung fu moviestar way. You know what I mean, if you really really wanted to learn "self defence" , just enroll as a bouncer in a bar. They have loads of openings they pretty much take anyone, and you can get to fight for real most evenings (venue dependant) but the rules are you cant really hurt them,(thank you cctv) but they can actually kill you if you let them. +1 adrenaline. That's called real training ;) however carried on with the aikido, got a 1st Kyu, stopped but then had to go back and carry on till I got the hammertime pants, result :)

Taught some crap aiki ninjitsu/taekwondo to the harlow police force.

But it wasnt until I saw a 14yr old girl with a naginta own some 3/4th/5th dan whatever kenjitsu guy that I realised that if you want to be good (ie alive) then you need a great big spear, just perhaps not too practical :)

P.S. with the police cadets, we used to do this great party piece. After some skill training for a few weeks, we had a compeition night and to start with we said who could run the fastest 200m. They did that up and down the gym, then as they crossed the finishing line we had them fight the juniors straignt away. Or as Kanetsuka Sensei once said, you fight, you shit runner.

actually i just read some of the other posts on here, and when we taught "MA" as people are calling it, we taught it as an all encompassing technique. In the dojo, off the dojo, the whole lifestyle thing, the lot. It wasn't about defending yourself, your partners or your loved ones, it was about avoiding that at all costs. It means if you are living in some shitty situation that you need or have to learn "MA", then you are in the wrong place. This isnt feudal 15th century japan or china. "MA" , god I hate that, it is not about fighting, or being better than others or anything that has so much confliction in it, thats why it has the word ART in it . It's about skill and training and perfection, if you think it means save me from MY ABUSIVE BF or KILLER DRUG BLOCK, or whatever then you are so so wrong. You sort that crap out first and look after yourself and your family by changing your habitat or your lifestyle. Every single minute you waste by learning some "style" you should be devoting it to moving or changing your life, you do that before you waste your time learning some poncey smacky facey crap just because deep down you really just want to be Song Jiang or one of his stupid (dead) 36 friends (google time).
then once you become safely middle class, you can become bruce lee ;)

P.S can't belive that after 6 years of being here, i've made 25% of my all time posts in one night

great posts, thanks for those thoughts

im a white belt on TKD wish me luck lol.. so far its pretty cool

your opinion on systema ?
Worth the time ?

(this is for self defence purpose)

all fights end on the ground. Krav is the best discipline to immobilize someone in a street fight situation.
just my 2
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actually i found out that if you fall on the floor in a street fight on the asphalt, it's over for you.
But it seems more effective to project someone on the floor or locj someone's arm

There is a school of krav maga here, but they ask for your criminal records, while it is actually illegal to ask it. So it gives me a bad opinion of the school.
My problem with systema is that they play with knifes without safety glasses

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4hMHWE0-J2Q&feature=plcp

While it seems not really useful to take this kind of risk in training.
Also krav maga seems more to take care of safety...

(so for now, i do my own training :/ )

http://publicintelligence.net/ufouo-...-mcmap-manual/

not bad

BJJ all day long man! Statistically over 70% of fights end up on the ground and without BJJ you are fucked! Just look at top mma fighters, they all NEED to have a solid background in BJJ or Greco wrestling.

The best training for self defense has to be some kind of striking. If you have experience striking you can end most fights almost before they start. I'm not familiar with kung fu training but if it involves footwork and striking/countering, it would be better than BJJ for basic self defense in a street fight. BJJ would be a better workout.

Yes, BJJ is better on the ground, but virtually every street fight starts off with both guys punching, then usually some grappling, then to the ground. So obviously being superior at striking will give you the option to win the fight the quickest. It makes sense that you would want to have the advantage as early as possible.

BJJ is a great skill, but it needs other skills to make it effective in a street fight. Striking can work pretty well by itself.

Now don't hate on me because I said striking skills are better than BJJ skills in a street fight. That's just based on the average street fight and someone asking what the best SINGLE skill would be to give them an advantage. Obviously BJJ is a great skill.

As for comparing it to MMA, there have been instances of MMA trained fighters getting into street fights, and almost all of those cases involve the MMA fighter using his striking to end the fight.

BJJ brown belt here...

I visit many BJJ school in NJ to train.

Sometimes the class is no-gi, I pretend I am a noob, wearing Champion shorts and a plain white Hanes t-shirt. During class I just sit quietly and practice the moves being taught. I get tips on how to do the technique better from other students. After the techniques are taught then it is roll time.

Sweep, pressure pass, take back, RNC, tap...

X-guard sweep, stuck in the half opponents half-guard, trap arm for a kimura, tap....

berimbolo sweep, to the back, trap arm to arm bar, tap...

In a fight you should never underestimate your opponent.

have to go there and there, and then select

Have you gone and spoken with the master instructors at both dojos? Knowing the style isn't half as important as knowing who your teachers will be. You've got to resonate with the instructor and he/she has to understand what your goals are for taking the art.

When I was shopping around for a martial arts school, what mattered most was that I knew what I wanted out of the art. A good instructor will tell you if his/her art is for you. Most schools will let you go for a week or a month free to try it out. They'll also let you sit in on a few classes.

Keep in mind that what you're seeing at the beginner ranks is different than what you'll be taught at the higher ranks, and many styles these days incorporate techniques from all over. My SKK training started off in karate, but now we're definitely firmly inside Shaolin, working through the animals (SO COOL!) but we also do jujitsu and akido techniques because they make sense and don't detract from the core system. TheSenator is right: you never underestimate your opponent, so training that incorporates the four ways of fighting (kicking, punching, grappling, felling) is so super important. So is not being a slave to technique. If your instructors don't encourage you to think outside the box, and your opponent does something different than "what the guy in the technique always does" - you're hosed.

So my :2 cents:... try both out, see which you like better, and don't let folks tell you your style sucks ass. :thumbsup

~Emily
1st Degree Black Belt, SKK :)

Kung Fu is highly impractical and silly. It's not a martial art in any real sense of the word, its basically World of Warcraft in real life, for nerds who love to immerse themselves in fantasy. Of course there are rare examples of actual practical application and actual trainers who teach something real... but that's very rare. It always comes down to who is teaching... thats always going to be 95% of it. However, there is a reason UFC and similar competitions are dominated by kick boxing/grappling and not by goofy idiots doing the drunken monkey or whatever the fuck.

The biggest problem with traditional martial arts is the one that boxing/kick boxing/ muay thai doesn't have. They actually fight. It's real. You step into a ring and you win or lose. Thats why 99% of all martial arts are cultists living in a bubble... they don't put anything they do to the test as you do with boxing / kick boxing daily. Instead, they are all usually standing around talking about how "lethal" their "secrets" are when they've never been in a fight in their lives.

I've never trained BJJ... but knowing what I know about martial arts.. I would say the shittiest BJJ instructor is going to give you a great deal more in terms of practical, usual techniques than a good to great Kung Fu instructor... unless your goal is to learn to punch like a retard and learn a bunch of goofy poses and you are ready to believe he can knock people out by just throwing his "energy" at them... then go Kung Fu all the way.

If you are not going to commit to a lifestyle and to learning things that are going to take years to learn... i would highly suggest boxing so you at least learn to punch well, move well and protect yourself.

Its BJJ, I guess you dont know anything about fight at all

Also, before some idiot spouts off about Kung Fu being around for many centuries as if that makes it somehow a practical option, i'd like to remind you that those people weren't training 2 times a week for 45 minutes. They were training 10 hours a day, 6 days a week and that was their life. Big fucking difference between serious people (warrior classes/monks) then and the narcissistic, instant gratification idiots of now.

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Good advice

people practice martial arts for their safety... :thumbsup

btw, how fast can you run ?

here is my answer:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...hlight=systema
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...hlight=systema

i have the same feeling when i see some videos.
i'm bored...

if you like to hug near naked sweaty guys a few times a week, then i would go with BJJ..

well it's right that i hijacked the topic...

(but wasn't judo the same thing ? judo= not gay ? )

Something about coming home all bloody and knowing the other guys were as well is awesome.

Krav is definitely the best for self defense, but it really depends on your situation(hence me rolling as much as I can). I'd rather put someone into an arm bar or RNC during some dumb bar fight than punching their trachea and potentially killing them.... unless they're armed, then it gets interesting. :thumbsup

Whats the best for loosing weight

Not eating...

Original......

Well, that is what I always tell fat people.

Stop eating, shut your mouth and you will lose weight.

Your body will actually start using your fat reverse that you have been building up for energy.

OK i will not eat and do no exercise at all

krav is way more real fight situation than bjj
krav is meant to disable someone in the most oppurtune way.
I'd pick krav anyday over bjj
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both times fedor lost he went in for the kill on opponents who were down. Verdum bated him in. Hendo had him on queer street fast
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