You've been outed Damian. Sally Rand is busy posing as the girl his parents obviously wanted and you're a woman posing as a man :upsidedow

this thread is my new guilty pleasure:1orglaugh

This thread is truly fucking awesome - Has potential to be EXTREMELY awesome

In the future will people have large HD TV sets ?

Will all content, internet, broadcast and disc, in the end be shown on Large HD sets / monitors?

What is the future for poorly shot content at very low bit rates and resolutions?

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DUDE!!! STOP!! JUST STOP!!
WHY should I stop? I will not stop until certain individuals on this board actually WATCH the content.

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I dont know you and im not here to attack you, but i have read your posts about various things. I have also read your thread "on Promote PimpRoll under your IDl" Where PR Dave Wrote; ...

Its also funny how you tried to infer that you shot the MileyXXX video. I know who it was and thats because i call that person friend and we are always brainstorming ideas and concepts. But I knew PR Dave would jump in and set the record straight. And he did.
ET TU, JUSTDAVE??? - I thought you were smarter than this - at what point did I EVER fucking INFER that I did the Miley video??? Re-read the thread, I never at all claimed it was mine in the least. I certainly like the scene, and that is obvious - please tell your friend great job! Who is it btw?

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You are really pissing everyone off. You also talk about things that you know nothing about. Even if you are the best shooter on the net, nobody will ever want to see what you got or wire you money, because you sound like a drug using nut job.
The only people I am pissing off are those that are ignorant and refuse to watch content. WHAT DO I TALK ABOUT THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. Be VERY specific Dave, I want examples. And thanks for the advice, I was wondering why no one would wire me $!!! Oh wait, that's not true.
I am not a nut job and the only "drug" I use is medical marijuana!

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You quote your self 20 times in a single thread, you create spam threads and you bring one thread subject into another with out any rhyme or reason.
There is plenty of rhyme AND reason. Watch the content. Stop being a jerk.

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I'm not here to insult you or pee in your Cherios, but you need to cut this shit out. You come off as a "Batt Shit Crazy" person with no concept of board etiquette.
You're right - I don't care about board etiquette very much at all.


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I'm not going to say that you suck or your work sucks, but if you are proud of your work make a thread and post your work in that thread.

As i see it you are trying to "thread Jack" a 13 page thread that you really have no business being in. That is rude, disrespectful to everyone in this thread and is one good way to piss everyone off.

Hope you take what I say as constructive and as roadmap on how to act and not act on this board.
WHAT!?! THIS is my favorite thread in the history of GFY that Paul started - why would I want to "jack" it??? """




The worst part of this, JustDave, is that I really liked your production company's name!

SORRY Guys, I am NOT trying to thread jack this AWESOME thread

JustDave just needs to inform himself a little more before he posts...

ReggieDurango stop thread jacking.

Jesus Christ Agent 488 You are a fucking MORON

FABIAN, you are reasonable. UNLIKE Agent 488...

Paul wrote this, "At the moment I'm waiting on a reply to my email to Fabian about the contract. He wants to include the clause about it being delivered in a "Timely Fashion" without stating what that is."

Fabian, can you just give Paul what he wants contract-wise so we can get this show on the road???

Already happening. Not ALL people, but most. In fact won't all TV be put out in HD, in developed countries which are still our core market, eventually and the viewer will have little option but to upgrade?

Yes. But will the content be HD high quality images?

If the scene is good the future is fine. Tube prove the viewer doesn't NEED HD to jerk off.

It's a nice bonus, however for many not worth paying $1 a day for. Will viewers watching porn be put off by seeing every wart, pimple and scar in HD?

We sell an illusion of what is real. The closer we get to that illusion the better it is. However getting too close to the wrong illusion might put people off.

If the illusion is spoilt by bad shooting, bad acting, bad faking then the illusion is shattered. If the scene contains more close ups of genitalia than is required it loses it's illusion, because most pussies and asses look the same.

Our core market is older guys who have honed their tastes and know what the difference is between bad, average and great porn. We seem to cater for guys who just turned 21 and we don't realise these guys will get off to almost anything. Which is free on Tubes.

Sorry Robbie I thought you used to run/own a big TGP site and assumed you sold top spots and banners on it.

As for laws changing the game you live in a dream world.

If ALL piracy becomes illegal and the law is strictly enforced. ALL porn Tubes will be on level playing field and the ones with the most licensed content will still have all the traffic.

The only thing that will save us is if anything requiring 2257 or that level is put behind a payment system and even then Pornhub will charge $1 for a lifetime membership. The glory days of porn are over for most. Free porn has brought this about. Any dreams that it will all change are just that dreams.

For a short while the best way IMO to make money is to have something really worth signing up and staying for and not to rely on masses of traffic to get a sale or replace the members leaving by the back door.

In a few years the porn industry will be a shadow of what it is with sites giving it away for free to sell adverts. Some will still make a living, but most will have moved on.

Now, who do you want to watch it? I will find them and make them watch if you quit posting your content and your other threads in this thread. (thats a thread Jack)

Smarter that what? Than you? Really? Question my intelligence? Im not going to play the game on who is smarter than who, but I definitely know that i am smart enough to not fight and piss off a whole board.:thumbsup

Please list these ignorant people that refuse to watch your content. I need this list so i can make them watch your content.:1orglaugh


If that will make you act right, consider it done.

Bam!! This post and and everything you have posted. And this

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. Thanx for my proof.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



Well it doesn't seem to be working to well for you, maybe you should quit.:thumbsup

And next you are going to tell me that it is legal right? Last i read, Local law cannot supersede government law.

Now if you are going to tell me that i don't know what the fuck im talking about, i got a challenge for you: You and i will go to the local Police department and i will be there with a video camera, When the 1st cop comes out, You will spark up, I will video tape it, then when he goes to arrest you, pull out your "Medical Marijuana" Card and lets see if he lets you go.


My bet will be no, and you do get arrested.

I thought that i have been very polite and helpful with my advice.



Yea, we can all see that. You have been put on ignore and You fight with people that i like and respect. Thats bad.

GFY why is a place where people contribute and share and you dont want to have "Board etiquette?' Good luck with that.:thumbsup




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Yea, i already said enough.

Smut Peddler Production 4 EVA SON!


JustDave, I will get to this more, but first, have you watched my content? With sound?

I sold nine text links a month in my "What's Hot" section for $6000 each. And each one of those text links went to a paysite.

All my top spots and banners I kept for myself (programs I promote with my affiliate code on them)

And even if I did sell a banner ad on my main page...how would that hurt our business? My main page always was full of humor (I stopped doing the daily humor 3 years ago because there were so many dedicated humor sites that it didn't matter), polls to vote on, a blog section, games to play, etc.

I told you before...we made people rich in this business. We HELPED the business as well as enriched ourselves. The way it's supposed to be.

What Manwin and other companies that steal are doing is they are conducting a "Scorched Earth" campaign and just destroying sales for everybody but themselves.

Totally different concept. There was a reason why we would go to shows and be treated like kings by every paysite owner. They loved the sales we sent and the money we made them.

I highly doubt any paysite owners out there who have watched their sales plummet over the last 3 years would be treating Fabian like a king now...unless they desperately were trying to sell their program and paysites to him and get out of the business.

Reposting what's important at the moment so there is NO confusion about thread jacking.

Agent 488 - wow, more on you later

I guess we could say this thread is.... DUH! Winning!

Sorry I was wrong then.

But the practice of filling sites with poor content and solving it by throwing traffic at it, first hit the magazine business a body blow, then the DVD business and now your business. Poetic justice. But keep thinking it's about stolen content. It's never was and never will be. It's about getting a 1,000 views and 1 sign up. Now it's just escalated to 10,000 views and 1 sign up. But usually via an advert.

TGPs started it and Tubes perfected it.

You live in the past and the clock isn't rotating anti clockwise. :1orglaugh

Those who made their money, like me are sitting back and laughing at all those left struggling. If you had made a sign up every second you would be sitting on a beach getting a tan. Or your server would of crashed everyday. That's 86,400 sign ups a day. Or in other words $432,000 profit a day at $5 a sign up. $1,296,000 a day at 50% rev share. :warning :warning

I doubt if you did 1 a minute. But keep believing the spin.

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Maybe that's one of the problems of online porn. People delivered spin that was illogical and everyone swallowed it.

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If the scene is good the future is fine. Tube prove the viewer doesn't NEED HD to jerk off.

It's a nice bonus, however for many not worth paying $1 a day for. Will viewers watching porn be put off by seeing every wart, pimple and scar in HD?

We sell an illusion of what is real. The closer we get to that illusion the better it is.
If the illusion is spoilt by bad shooting, bad acting, bad faking then the illusion is shattered. If the scene contains more close ups of genitalia than is required it loses it's illusion, because most pussies and asses look the same.

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If you had used a HD camera I think you would know that girls can look better than in SD.
Tubes and free porn LOOK TERRIBLE if blown up on to a large HD TV.

Don't hire girls covered in spots, use powder for the odd one. All pussies and asses are different, as different as a face.

What is this "quality" you are going to add to this shoot ?

For this content I believe people will pay and will have to pay for the bandwidth and the production quality. Of course there is a market for free and cheap porn, there is free and cheap drama on TV, and there is cinema people pay to see, HBO people pay to see, and still people buying quality material on disc.

I you add little value to the shoot then why should people pay to see it?

It is like you have never seen good photography, good cinema or TV...why should porn be judged any differently from other media?

Your logic would be "It looks more real people being killed on amateur video" therefore Hollywood should shoot all its films like "Blair Witch", but they don't and audiences like films in cinemas shot professionally.

Do you still think you can't change lenses on a DSLR ?

I didn't deliver any spin. Dude, I live in a 5600 sq. foot house in Las Vegas that I just bought in 2008. I'm living VERY well thank you.

I made plenty of money for both myself and others. And you are dead wrong about TGP's

As I said earlier...I have respect for you as a photographer. And I won't show you any disrespect in any other way. But I think you're ignorant of what I do as an affiliate.

You keep saying that TGP's did this and tgp's did that. But you're dead wrong.

First off...most "tgp" sites that came around after the year 2000 weren't even "real" tgps. They were circle jerk scripts.

There were and are only a handful of REAL tgps. Yes, there are countless thousands of sites running a script. But only a handful of us real guys who had honest traffic.

As for "living in the past"...I'm not sure where you came up with that. I am only pointing out to you that we did not steal anything and we always made a LOT of money with all of our partners. I'm definitely not trying to claim that my tgp's have big traffic anymore. That's all over at Pornhub now. And who can blame the surfers? They have a choice of looking at galleries and reading my blog and then buying a membership OR seeing everything for free.

I can't compete against that. But I still make more money as an affiliate with my tgp's than most of the people (including you) in this thread. And by not "living in the past" I make 5 times that amount of money on Claudia-Marie's site.

That's not hype. I've shown people my stats both in private and right here on GFY a couple of times as well. I have nothing to hide and always welcome competition (unlike all the "mystery millionaires" here on GFY who can't tell you what their site is or what they actually do because someone will "steal" it)

I know you think you have it all figured out and that tubes were just a natural evolution of TGP's.

NO! They aren't. Illegit tubes have "user upload" which equals stolen content and are not designed to sell paysite memberships.

My tgp's on the other hand have NO stolen content and are designed totally to sell memberships.
It's not even the same business model...much less a tube "perfecting" anything.

We didn't "give away" free porn. We use promo tools given to us. I already explained to you a while back that there is a "sweet spot".

You are talking in theory on this subject...but I'm telling you as an expert who does it for a living. A hosted gallery with 12 pictures or 4 30 second clips will outsell any softcore advertising that you can think of. Day in and day out.

But NO advertising, soft or hard, works when the entire members areas of the sites you are trying to sell are being given away for free.

And again..NO... TGP's running galleries did not destroy magazines and DVD sales.

The convenience and privacy of the internet did that.

If ALL free porn on the internet was gone right now...and all you could do was buy a membership to a paysite online to see porn...Magazines and DVD sales would still be in the shitter and paysite sales would skyrocket.

It's not hosted galleries that killed us. That made incredible money for everybody for over 10 years online. That only stopped when illegit tubes like Pornhub (and of course bit torrent and file sharing sites) exploded and just started openly stealing everyone's content and hiding behind the DMCA law.

I know you don't believe me. But then again...selling porn online wasn't your expertise. It's mine. And I won't argue with you about a proper Fstop even though I do shoot a nice pic every once in a while.

I consider you to be more an expert and one thing I know is that when I meet someone who knows more than I do on a particular subject...I'm gonna listen. You should do the same.

That's a great read :thumbsup

It's well written, easy to read and factual to the point of being undebatable.

I especially liked the last part. A tasty two line nugget of wisdom that's good common sense to some and unrecognizable to others.

I guess that's what makes this thread so entertaining :)

Well done Robbie. Excellent read. :thumbsup

cliff notes?

amazing - a bunch of you clowns have managed to make Paul look like one of the more reasonable and intelligent people in the industry.

Robbie's the most on point in this thread, then Paul.

i was going to point fingers at the ass kissers in this thread but i thought better of it - everybody needs to make a living, what Brazzers and others have done to the industry is a done deal, for now anyway. i hate what they've done and Nathan's attitude but if I could get sales from his tube sites I'd take them. if there had been a concerted effort to battle the illegal tube sites and the file sharing operators i'd have supported it with money and whatever else needed but that never happened. I'd sue because I do believe that with any porn tube site that the veil of 'safe harbor protection' would be ripped to shreds quickly but everybody tells me that a lawsuit would cost upwards of 1 million dollars. I don't have that kind of money.

Links Pulled.

As always Mutt, your analysis is pretty much on point, for better or for worse.

Then SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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I'm so glad I put that guy on "ignore"
And so glad I never put you on it BVF :pimp

I reviewed one of Reggie scenes and sent it to him. He agreed I could post it.


http://www.porn.com/porn-video/faye-...ani-95836.html

It start out nice, then it kind of gets too long

Some of the focusing is off and the fast cutting is making me dizzy, slow down.

Too close to the girls so they're bobbing in and out of focus.

OK the comedy is far too long. You have to understand the market that buys porn. The vast majority are guys who are afraid to ask a

girl in a bar, if she would like a drink. So girls lead porn scenes with the guy being pulled into it. This scenario is just off

putting and with the bad acting not getting my interest.

You're standing far too close to the people so you have a problem with their movements and focusing. Stand back and get all the

players in on the action. Try giving general directions of how the scenario works and see if the models have the brains to ad lib it.

If not shoot it in longer segments and give them instructions as you go along.

ACTION

The red head is giving the guy a BJ and her hair is over her face and his cock hiding the action. My first GF loved to give me BJs and

I knew I was in for one when she tied her hair back, in a scene with the girls leading they can do this.

Pussy cat in the room, get him out before the fucking starts.

At 11;20 the guy looks bored.!!!!!!

The blond girls character is plain annoying me.

24 minutes in and we're still on the BJ. This whole scene is far too long.

I don't know if the phone ringing was real or staged, but it could of been used so much better.
A dirty phone call while she's being fucked would of been awesome.

If the girl is on the guy on a sofa start with reverse cowgirl so we can see her face.

After 26 minutes I had seen enough.

The shooting is bad, angles poor, focusing terrible. What F stop were you shooting at?
The whole setting is too bland, too many pastel colors.

For me the scene doesn't work.

If you have 2 girls and 1 guy there are better scenarios.
1 girl is horny to fuck in front of her friend, who joins in the give a BJ
2 girls tease the guy into the action.
1 girl says her boyfriend is always telling her she gives lousy head and asks the other girl to teach her.
1 girl comes in to find the other 2 fucking. And joins in.
The guy comes in to see the 2 girls fucking. And joins in.
The guy is caught jerking off by his GF and her friend and they finish him off.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

The plots are endless, but it's always better if the girls lead the guy.
Setting the blond up as a bitch doesn't work unless she gets taught not to be a bitch.
Men who buy porn are scared of these girls.

The like the docile, compliant, willing, sex mad, instigators to make up for their lack of balls to ask a girl out on a date.

Thanks for the compliment. :)

Tubes are here to stay, so is file sharing. Unless we have massive Government intervention and it's enforced.

The industry seems powerless to fight them in anyway so they keep doing what they have been doing for the last 15 years. Filling sites with the same kind of content and hoping if they throw enough traffic at it somebody will buy. Yes there own stats are showing them that every month they need more traffic to achieve the same number of sign ups.

I suspect even Manwin's sites are the same. Fabian will say differently and a few sponsor will chime in how well they're doing ad some will boast to doing even better today. But without massive traffic increases I don't see how. And that still means ratios are dropping.

I saw the damage free content was doing to the other sides of the industry and now it's doing the same to this side of the industry. And there's no way out of it. Without a lot of very stringent laws that no one would welcome.

Except for a few for a little while. By raising the level of what's inside the site rather than raising the level of what's outside the site. Some will have a longer career in porn than others. Eventually for the vast majority of consumers porn will be accepted as a free product and the willingness to pay will be a thing of the past for most of them. A few will, but what will it fund and what will they demand?

The problem is with the cost of maintaining what's outside the site, few can afford to raise the level of their members areas. Manwin can and doesn't. Brazzers is all right content but by no means great. Some of the scenes don't deserve hosting space and should be deleted with no loss at all. Mofos content is very poor and there are no excuses. The mistakes are elementary and easily avoided. The problem is the "contract" shooters don't have someone over their heads kicking butt and teaching them.

Shame silly old Viacom employed such shitty lawyers in their case against YouTube, eh?

We agree on something. :1orglaugh

The idea of spending even $10,000 to sue a pirate site is stupid. Because eventually it will need to be repeated over and over and over again. Suing one and winning doesn't stop others filling the gap. That's if the porn company wins.

What would be the outcome of a successful case? That the site no longer hosts a particular companies porn or stops hosting any porn? Unless proof comes out they are breaking the law in some way, then it's just one brand of porn. With so much porn the same the whole thing is pointless.

And what if the whole thing works like a dream and all pirated porn is shut down?

Surfers flood to the free Tube with the most legal content on. Well enough of them to make the whole exercise pointless for the industry.

Only those with something truly unique and individual will get any benefit. And they're on the fringes of the industry, because when something becomes that unique and individual it can lose a lot of it's appeal. Unless the quality of the porn is so high and mainstream it still has wide appeal.

Just wanted to say I enjoyed reading your post, on the point and interesting.

Continue provoking me, BVF... please

Thanks for doing the review Paul! Somehow, deep-down, I guess I knew that you'd be the first one to actually WATCH and respond to my content!
BUT, PAUL, as JustDave alluded, discussion of my content is STRICTLY prohibited in this thread! So, STOP TRYING TO THREAD-JACK YOUR OWN THREAD, PAUL!

HAHA.

Paul, please re-post your impressive review in THIS thread:
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1014170&page=2

This is NOT thread-jacking, you morons, this is thread-annexing

Not going to quote the whole thing because it's been read.

You missed my point by a mile.

It is. The business plan of the Adult Internet was to give away as much free porn as possible and spend as much as possible doing it. Those doing it called it marketing.

Over the years surfers were taught that porn is free and paying for it isn't necessary.

In the beginning they were 10 softcore small images and at most 4 10 second clips. As the leap frogging continued the decent TGP sites wouldn't accept these kind of galleries, always looking for more and more to keep surfing numbers high. A lot of people were screaming that too much free HC was hurting sales. But TGP sites made the rules.

Who says none of the content was stolen?

We were constantly chasing affiliates of certain sites who had Carte Blanche to use anything they wanted. AFF were one of the worse.

Tubes are just an extension of this trend. Crying that they are illegal is pointless. If they remove content on receipt of a DMCA they're legal. Unless you have proof of anything else. Which to date no one has come up with. User Uploads are legal. Uploading content not owned by the uploader isn't. So go sue those uploaders.

Yes they use gaps in the law. But as the majority of online porn workers want an unregulated Internet. They want less laws governing porn. Crying it's illegal is kind of about face.

It is what it is. Live with it. And yes you live in the past like I do. We both would like to it like it was 5-6 years ago. But crying about what is, is about the extent of what most here do.

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ReggieDurango posted it for you.

ReggieDurango enough with the thread jacks. you have been warned as per gfy rule 13 subsection 4.

While TGP site owners and affiliates were earning so much money. I wonder if any of them stopped to think of the long term consequences? Includes sponsors as well.

By far and away the biggest cost to a site was promoting it. Rev share starting at 50%, PS at $25. Plus affiliates demanded every tool possible, all the content possible, hosting, banners, support and higher payments if they passed certain figures. I have been asked for exorbitant amounts for a sign up. Plus every thing done for the affiliate.

Decent TGPs, not the cycle jerks that pissed off surfers seriously looking to buy, wanted paying for top spots, banners and then partner accounts.

And then there was promotion to get affiliates, all cost money.

All this cost money and no one bothered where it came from so long as it came. Some didn't even bother if the customer got ripped off, stolen from or just sold a bad site. All that mattered was the money.

So where was it found?

Hosting - No, that's pretty well fixed depending on the BW and in the early days a significant cost.

CC Processing - No again fixed according to turn over.

Programming, design, are one off.

Admin - Yes some worked from their bedrooms and acted like big shots. In truth they weren't.

Content - YES. The cost of what the surfer was buying was cut to the bone. ATK, Karups, Mayers money and many more thought $300 to $400 a full solo girl scene outright was top dollar. :1orglaugh

Lesbian scenes were a bit better at $1,000-$1,200 a scene. No where compares with what a lesbian set is really worth.

HC was anything from $1,000 to $2,000. Again doesn't compare with what it could be worth.

And then there were the people who thought all it took to shoot porn was a camera and lights.

The consequences are plain to see. Affiliates are pricing themselves out of the market. The sites are full of the same dull content and the surfer thinks Porn Tubes are better than paysites.

Anyone who spoke up and said the content is crap, me, was told to STFU because I didn't know what I was talking about.

Tubes are better than paysites because they meet consumers needs better than paysites. Crying about them being illegal is useless. They are not until convicted in a court and even if one was. The surfers would move th\o the next free Tube site. Because they think they're better than paysites. Free is only part of the problem.

The lousiest excuse in selling is "No one buying today. It is easily answered with, that's because no one is really selling. Loading free sites with free porn is the lowest form of selling.

And to sell a repeat buy product the product has to be worth it. Many are not and the consumer knows it.

A few sites do stand out. I'm talking about in general.

Didn't quote your whole post either...just the part you are incorrect about.

The business plan of the Adult Internet was to make money. And we did. It's not what you are saying at all. I didn't "give away" anything. I used marketing tools and made sales like crazy.

That is NOT a failed plan. That was a VERY VERY SUCCESSFUL business model.
And no, in the beginning it wasn't softcore images. It was hardcore right out the gate.

I remember going on the tour of the Wetlands site. And that was without a doubt the biggest porn site on the internet back in the early days of the web. And even though I was on a 28.8 k modem connection...I wanted to wait that 5 minutes it took to see that picture of the black guy fucking that redhead on the tour.

It was hardcore from the get go for the successful pay sites and the successful free sites. Paul...I'm not in it to give away stolen porn to sell dating. I'm in to show samples to sell paysites.

It has nothing to do with "leapfrogging" on my part.

You are 100% correct about tubes and bittorrents and file sharing sites. But they are NOT the same business model.
They are not designed to sell paysite memberships. Matter of fact they are designed to DESTROY them. They steal content and sell everything but porn.

Please don't compare what I do to what they do. It's two completely different things. An illegit tube like Pornhub is NOT an evolutionary progression of a real TGP. It's a new animal with a completely different income stream.

The only thing that ties it to porn is that it uses porn to sell products. But it ain't selling porn.

I'm in the business of selling porn. They are not. They see stolen porn as a draw to create at traffic source that they can monetize in an ever decreasing way.

I see porn galleries as a way to present a sample of what's inside a members area to sell a membership (which works great...until the tube site gives away the entire members area)

As far as living in the past goes...I do keep my tgp's running. I work on them every day.

When the new copyright laws DO come and what Pornhub and file sharing sites and bit torrents are doing right now becomes illegal...my tgp's MAY become monsters again. If that happens I'll be ready.

In the meantime...I was the first paysite to actually use the technology and take a tube script and hack it up into the actual tour and members area (yeah, everybody else is doing it NOW...but we did it almost 3 years ago) and I was one of the first to protect my content and keep the majority of it off the pirate sites and watched our sales & rebills rise while everyone else has watched their income fall.

Just because I'm trying to explain to you that REAL tgp's were/are great marketing and have nothing in common with a site like Pornhub doesn't mean I haven't been on the cutting edge of what I do. No need to try and insult me over and over.

I pride myself on working hard and staying ahead of the game. I think I'm pretty good at that...and I have to say that to have you tell me I'm "living in the past", when I've been busting ass to stay ahead of everyone as best I can...kinda hurts.

I think you should save that kind of thing for people who deserve it. Neither I, nor any of the people that I consider to be my true peers are the cause of what's happening today.

Some of the guys I see with high traffic tube sites now...are the same old guys who were scamming and running circle jerks back in 2000. Same guys, same bullshit. I never considered them to be in the same business as me back then, and I don't consider them to be now.

paul the march towards "free" on the internet has nothing to do with the porn industry. there are much larger issues at play here. so instead of writing some long dreary essay post no one will read or do another wolf howling at the moon puzzle read about the founders and history of the internet.

you are better selling cabbages in the village square if you can't grasp and profit from "free" in the internet.

Whats the latest ?