Converting Traffic - to what end? - GoFuckYourself.com

Smegma · 01-18-2003, 09:24 PM

You have a traffic stream.. how far do you go to convert that traffic?

I believe that it is ones job to convert that traffic into cash revenue in any technologically feasible way possible.

Some people believe that a line needs to be drawn. No exits, no pops, no dialers; send the traffic to a signup tour and if they don't sign up, move on to the next click.

I don't know... IMO - If you're in this business.. it's all about the numbers. If your not converting traffic in any way possible.. the next guy is.

Where do you stand?

JimmyReject · 01-18-2003, 09:30 PM

As a surfer the thought of popups and dialers and other crap puts me off clicking orginal link.

I think alot of potential clicks are lost because of fear of what happen. I'm been to some sites that launch popups once you close the site, then you close the popup and more appear. No way would I join a site like that, the thought of that every visit makes me go elsewhere.

Smegma · 01-18-2003, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the post.. but the question is targeted to webmasters not surfers.

It may or may not be what turns off / on the surfer.. it's about what converts... IMO

Does a site without consoles, exit or otherwise, convert better than a site with consoles? Seems like if consoles didn't work no one would use them.

FiReC · 01-18-2003, 09:34 PM

If they are clicking in the right places, no need to abuse them. Once you know they aren't going to buy anything, it's time either beat them into submission (with popups), or exchange the surfer for another who might.

KRL · 01-18-2003, 09:35 PM

Well call it what you will, but the more ads in their face, the more money you'll make.

And a lot of guys say well surfers will never come back again cause they get pissed off. I counter that with well if they leave your site without buying anything they probably won't come back anyway. And if they keep coming back they are probably freeloaders.

I'm now a firm believer in shotgun marketing. Blast everything you can and something will hit their interest and their wallet.

I don't care if all I make is a 2 cent click, if they come in the door I'll be damned if I'm gonna let them out without getting money out of them some how some way and into my cash register.

Smegma · 01-18-2003, 09:38 PM

To what end though.. how far would you go? Do you stop at the trade or exit.. send them off to a dialer, web900, or e-check sponsors?

Do you take traffic that is known to convert like doggy poo (i.e. China) and send it somewhere other than your site (on the very first click) where you know it will have a better chance at converting?

KRL · 01-18-2003, 09:44 PM

Nuke marketing. I believe in hitting them with every weapon in your arsenal. So to every end. Non stop kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. Take no prisoners approach. LOL

Yeh, its the killing field theory allright. Last man standing wins. And its not going to be the surfer, thats for sure.

PerfectionGirls · 01-18-2003, 09:45 PM

If you target it you can make it work for you and not offend your surfer to much, I think. lol We are still learning, but here is what we do and what we are about to do.

We pop-UNDER on page one. We only pop to sites within are group. Nothing in thier face at all, but its there for them to check out as they leave. It works pretty darn well for us.

What we are adding is a bit more "in your face" pop-ups off the sign up page. If they click off the sign up page and don't join we are going to ask why and offer then two other sites for the same price if they join now. If they click off that then they get sent to another pop-up offering them a 3 day trial for some low dollar amount. I figure if they have gotten as far as the join page then our tour is working well, but either they didn't like the price or just needed a little incentive to pull the card out.

I will let you know how it goes... We start that next week with three sites. A couple others sites do it also and it seems to work well for them.

Lethal · 01-18-2003, 09:47 PM

If you are getting traffic from places that you know are automatically rejected by your processor it's silly not to send it somewhere that can possibly make you money.

KRL · 01-18-2003, 10:06 PM

WTF? Its simple bottom line numbers. Look at the biggest sponsors in the biz. They all take the surfer into popup hell. Those are the ones that make the best conversions and the most coin. Your're here to make money not worry about if the surfer gets annoyed by popups.

One of the best things I learned when I was young was the FWN approach to business and I still use it to this day 20 years later.

FUCKEM WHOSE NEXT!

There are 700 Million surfers and Billions more to come.

PerfectionGirls · 01-18-2003, 10:12 PM

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One of the best things I learned when I was young was the FWN approach to business and I still use it to this day 20 years later.

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FUCKEM WHOSE NEXT!

Sorry man... not a code I could live by. Been working 40 years and I can't change it now. lol

Probono · 01-18-2003, 10:16 PM

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KRL · 01-18-2003, 10:18 PM

You honestly think surfers give a rats ass about us? Most surfers are thieves, just going from site to site looking for things they can get their jollies on for free. Like I said if you are not the Fucker in business you will eventually be the Fuckee.

Rockstar · 01-18-2003, 10:25 PM

You have to be relentless. When making and creating your selling pitch......think like a surfer and get them EXCITED about what you promoting..........when thinking of making money you have to GO AFTER every cent you can make. Traffic translates into $$ and if you are not into this to make money then go play golf, build model airplanes or whatever.
In todays market giving away SOME free porn is the only way to stay in buisness but unless you are willing to some way or another MAKE THE SURFER PAY for the "free porn" they are getting, then you are missing the point.
About TPGING - submitting galleries
There has been a lot of talk in recent months (maybe longer) about getting rid of TGP's but this is COMPLETELY wrong. Because you as a webmaster or you as a paysite owner need that traffic. But when building and submitting galleries you have to know how to filter that traffic into MONEY and there are lots of ways to do it and you CAN make money submitting galleries and you can still follow the basic rules that 99% of tgps adhere too.

Now overall
Talking about exit consoles.........bottom line THEY MAKE MONEY
Talking about dialers.......bottom line THEY MAKE MONEY (not too mention the added benifit of not needing a credit card)
I mean as webmasters we are businessmen. And our product is porn. Your job is to make your business succeed. So as long as what you do is LEGAL and the content you use is LEGAL then no there are NO LIMITS. You have to go to the extreme and you have to WORK smart.

Just my

PerfectionGirls · 01-18-2003, 10:28 PM

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Like I said if you are not the Fucker in business you will eventually be the Fuckee.

Sorry man, but that is a really sad statement. That sort of tactic will leave you a long list of emenies and a sort list of friends. It might work, but man. My friend... I am not trying to offend you in anyway, but you don't have to be the "Fucker" in business to be a huge success.

Kimmykim · 01-18-2003, 10:31 PM

The bulk majority of surfers are bandwidth leeching cheap ass lookers who won't spend a dime. Don't think so? Hmmm, even if you converted 1 out of 100 every time, that's still an overwhelming 99% majority that didn't spend any money with you...

The line should be a legal one perhaps, and then of course each person is certainly able to pick and choose where they draw their own line.

Of course the biggest thing I see is not that there are pops and consoles etc, its the way that people use them. To some it's like they just don't know when to stop and just get rid of the surfer...

quiet · 01-18-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
but you don't have to be the "Fucker" in business to be a huge success.

true. many have had success going that route. for example, oxcash made it huge without 'fucking the surfer over'.

whatever makes you money, and you're comfortable with i suppose. there is more than one solution and one perspective that will work in the current climate...

<IMX> · 01-18-2003, 10:55 PM

quiet--

It depends on your product. Your sites, and Ox's / ND's sites have exclusive content displayed in an innovative manner (at least until everyone copied Ox/ND). People go back to sites like those, they refer people and thus they need a fine line between maximizing ROI on a single visit v. the lifetime of the site.

quiet · 01-18-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by <IMX>
quiet--

It depends on your product. Your sites, and Ox's / ND's sites have exclusive content displayed in an innovative manner (at least until everyone copied Ox/ND). People go back to sites like those, they refer people and thus they need a fine line between maximizing ROI on a single visit v. the lifetime of the site.

obviously. that is my strategy as well. like i said:

"there is more than one solution and one perspective that will work in the current climate..."

<IMX> · 01-18-2003, 11:08 PM

quiet--

I should have said that in support of your site's model, rather than indicating toward a convo toward you ;)

quiet · 01-18-2003, 11:14 PM

i didn't see the "Your sites" part hehe

FlyingIguana · 01-18-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by Smegma
Thanks for the post.. but the question is targeted to webmasters not surfers.

It may or may not be what turns off / on the surfer.. it's about what converts... IMO

Does a site without consoles, exit or otherwise, convert better than a site with consoles? Seems like if consoles didn't work no one would use them.

if you turn off the surfer it could affect future sales...

KC · 01-19-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana

if you turn off the surfer it could affect future sales...

If everyone had this same mindset we wouldn't need to pop consoles.. people wouldn't need cross sells.. spam wouldn't exist..

Since some people do it and it's successfull those techniques are pretty much here to stay. Someone opened Pandora's Box!

KRL · 01-19-2003, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Sorry man, but that is a really sad statement. That sort of tactic will leave you a long list of emenies and a sort list of friends. It might work, but man. My friend... I am not trying to offend you in anyway, but you don't have to be the "Fucker" in business to be a huge success.

Well I learned the hard way, unfortunately. Got fucked over by many people in my life, including business deals with close family. After getting fucked by my own blood, I figured it was time to stop being mr. nice guy and start being a great white shark like all the other ruthless bastards out there. I made a lot more money as a great white and devouring everything and anything.

I'm not in business to make friends nor enemies, just to make money and provide great services to the customers WHO PAY. I don't care if people like or dislike my take no prisoners approach. I just have no patience for nice guy marketing any more. Fuck that crap.

With blast 'em to hell marketing I'm averaging a revenue transaction of some kind from 1 out of every 26 unique visitors.

KC · 01-19-2003, 12:26 AM

As people get accustomed to a certain lifestyle their morals might tend to shift as their income begins to fall. I imagine as Visa and MasterCard tighten up their grip on this industry, people are going to be more and more comfortable "pushing" on their surfers.

By the end of the year TGPs will have popups again.. ;)

-KC

01-18-2003, 09:24 PM	#1
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	Converting Traffic - to what end? You have a traffic stream.. how far do you go to convert that traffic? I believe that it is ones job to convert that traffic into cash revenue in any technologically feasible way possible. Some people believe that a line needs to be drawn. No exits, no pops, no dialers; send the traffic to a signup tour and if they don't sign up, move on to the next click. I don't know... IMO - If you're in this business.. it's all about the numbers. If your not converting traffic in any way possible.. the next guy is. Where do you stand?

01-18-2003, 09:33 PM	#3
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	Thanks for the post.. but the question is targeted to webmasters not surfers. It may or may not be what turns off / on the surfer.. it's about what converts... IMO Does a site without consoles, exit or otherwise, convert better than a site with consoles? Seems like if consoles didn't work no one would use them. __________________ <a href="http://www.jupiterhosting.com"><img src="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/banners/55x55.jupiter.gif" alt="" border="0" align=""></a>

01-18-2003, 09:34 PM	#4
FiReC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Land o Nubiles Posts: 2,350	If they are clicking in the right places, no need to abuse them. Once you know they aren't going to buy anything, it's time either beat them into submission (with popups), or exchange the surfer for another who might. __________________ www.nubilefilms.com \| www.nubiles.net \| www.anilos.com \| tubescript.nubiles.net \| icq4162727

01-18-2003, 09:35 PM	#5
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Well call it what you will, but the more ads in their face, the more money you'll make. And a lot of guys say well surfers will never come back again cause they get pissed off. I counter that with well if they leave your site without buying anything they probably won't come back anyway. And if they keep coming back they are probably freeloaders. I'm now a firm believer in shotgun marketing. Blast everything you can and something will hit their interest and their wallet. I don't care if all I make is a 2 cent click, if they come in the door I'll be damned if I'm gonna let them out without getting money out of them some how some way and into my cash register. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains Last edited by KRL; 01-18-2003 at 09:40 PM..

01-18-2003, 09:38 PM	#6
Smegma Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,751	To what end though.. how far would you go? Do you stop at the trade or exit.. send them off to a dialer, web900, or e-check sponsors? Do you take traffic that is known to convert like doggy poo (i.e. China) and send it somewhere other than your site (on the very first click) where you know it will have a better chance at converting? __________________ <a href="http://www.jupiterhosting.com"><img src="http://www.jupiterhosting.com/banners/55x55.jupiter.gif" alt="" border="0" align=""></a>

01-18-2003, 09:30 PM	#2
JimmyReject Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 489	As a surfer the thought of popups and dialers and other crap puts me off clicking orginal link. I think alot of potential clicks are lost because of fear of what happen. I'm been to some sites that launch popups once you close the site, then you close the popup and more appear. No way would I join a site like that, the thought of that every visit makes me go elsewhere.

01-18-2003, 09:44 PM	#7
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Nuke marketing. I believe in hitting them with every weapon in your arsenal. So to every end. Non stop kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. Take no prisoners approach. LOL Yeh, its the killing field theory allright. Last man standing wins. And its not going to be the surfer, thats for sure. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

01-18-2003, 09:45 PM	#8
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	If you target it you can make it work for you and not offend your surfer to much, I think. lol We are still learning, but here is what we do and what we are about to do. We pop-UNDER on page one. We only pop to sites within are group. Nothing in thier face at all, but its there for them to check out as they leave. It works pretty darn well for us. What we are adding is a bit more "in your face" pop-ups off the sign up page. If they click off the sign up page and don't join we are going to ask why and offer then two other sites for the same price if they join now. If they click off that then they get sent to another pop-up offering them a 3 day trial for some low dollar amount. I figure if they have gotten as far as the join page then our tour is working well, but either they didn't like the price or just needed a little incentive to pull the card out. I will let you know how it goes... We start that next week with three sites. A couple others sites do it also and it seems to work well for them. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 01-18-2003 at 09:48 PM..

01-18-2003, 09:47 PM	#9
Lethal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 494	If you are getting traffic from places that you know are automatically rejected by your processor it's silly not to send it somewhere that can possibly make you money.

01-18-2003, 10:06 PM	#10
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	WTF? Its simple bottom line numbers. Look at the biggest sponsors in the biz. They all take the surfer into popup hell. Those are the ones that make the best conversions and the most coin. Your're here to make money not worry about if the surfer gets annoyed by popups. One of the best things I learned when I was young was the FWN approach to business and I still use it to this day 20 years later. FUCKEM WHOSE NEXT! There are 700 Million surfers and Billions more to come. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

01-18-2003, 10:16 PM	#12
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Dreamnet?.com Home of the Dream Girls What can you Expect? Real Amateur Women No Pop-Ups No Banners No Auto Rebilling This site is powered by YOU This site is as real as it gets! Been working for us for a long time

01-18-2003, 10:18 PM	#13
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	You honestly think surfers give a rats ass about us? Most surfers are thieves, just going from site to site looking for things they can get their jollies on for free. Like I said if you are not the Fucker in business you will eventually be the Fuckee. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

01-18-2003, 10:25 PM	#14
Rockstar Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 333	You have to be relentless. When making and creating your selling pitch......think like a surfer and get them EXCITED about what you promoting..........when thinking of making money you have to GO AFTER every cent you can make. Traffic translates into $$ and if you are not into this to make money then go play golf, build model airplanes or whatever. In todays market giving away SOME free porn is the only way to stay in buisness but unless you are willing to some way or another MAKE THE SURFER PAY for the "free porn" they are getting, then you are missing the point. About TPGING - submitting galleries There has been a lot of talk in recent months (maybe longer) about getting rid of TGP's but this is COMPLETELY wrong. Because you as a webmaster or you as a paysite owner need that traffic. But when building and submitting galleries you have to know how to filter that traffic into MONEY and there are lots of ways to do it and you CAN make money submitting galleries and you can still follow the basic rules that 99% of tgps adhere too. Now overall Talking about exit consoles.........bottom line THEY MAKE MONEY Talking about dialers.......bottom line THEY MAKE MONEY (not too mention the added benifit of not needing a credit card) I mean as webmasters we are businessmen. And our product is porn. Your job is to make your business succeed. So as long as what you do is LEGAL and the content you use is LEGAL then no there are NO LIMITS. You have to go to the extreme and you have to WORK smart. Just my __________________ ICQ - 177606166

01-18-2003, 10:31 PM	#16
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	The bulk majority of surfers are bandwidth leeching cheap ass lookers who won't spend a dime. Don't think so? Hmmm, even if you converted 1 out of 100 every time, that's still an overwhelming 99% majority that didn't spend any money with you... The line should be a legal one perhaps, and then of course each person is certainly able to pick and choose where they draw their own line. Of course the biggest thing I see is not that there are pops and consoles etc, its the way that people use them. To some it's like they just don't know when to stop and just get rid of the surfer...

01-18-2003, 10:55 PM	#18
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	quiet-- It depends on your product. Your sites, and Ox's / ND's sites have exclusive content displayed in an innovative manner (at least until everyone copied Ox/ND). People go back to sites like those, they refer people and thus they need a fine line between maximizing ROI on a single visit v. the lifetime of the site. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

01-18-2003, 11:08 PM	#20
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01-18-2003, 11:14 PM	#21
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i didn't see the "Your sites" part hehe __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-19-2003, 12:26 AM	#25
KC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 1995 Posts: 2,417	As people get accustomed to a certain lifestyle their morals might tend to shift as their income begins to fall. I imagine as Visa and MasterCard tighten up their grip on this industry, people are going to be more and more comfortable "pushing" on their surfers. By the end of the year TGPs will have popups again.. ;) -KC __________________ Jupiter Hosting, Inc. Vice President, Business Development kc (AT) jupiterhosting.com