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unconnected · 01-19-2003, 10:18 AM

Tell me when a war has logic..
Did hitler have logic when he went to war? How about the crusades? Name one war that was started for a logical reason.
Obviously we fight wars such as WWII in order to preserve freedom and our way of life, but give me a logical reason to explain the start of a war.

'Strange Game, the only winning move is not to play' - Josua 1983

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Sounds like you've had your daily feed of the Bush Administrations bullshit fed to you on a hot steaming plate.

REAL reasons for war:

1. Bush has failed miserably in both handling the economy and tracking down terrorists (and everything else for that matter), he perceives a war with Iraq as an easy win and a diversion.

2. Oil.

3. Avenge his fathers fuckups.

4. Republicans love war.

Come On... you can do better than that - those are the same things the uninformed ass holes are saying and you surely aren't one of those?

mpegposter · 01-19-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by sacX

The United States has huge military presence in Japan, Korea and Germany. That's a type of colonisation. The United States make sure it controls strategic positions that are in it's interest. Iraq has strategic interest.

Panama?

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

Sounds like you've had your daily feed of the Bush Administrations bullshit fed to you on a hot steaming plate.

REAL reasons for war:

1. Bush has failed miserably in both handling the economy and tracking down terrorists (and everything else for that matter), he perceives a war with Iraq as an easy win and a diversion.

2. Oil.

3. Avenge his fathers fuckups.

4. Republicans love war.

Oh Come On..... You can do better than that! - Those are the same things the uninformed ass-holes are saying. Surely you aren't one of those?

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

Come On... you can do better than that - those are the same things the uninformed ass holes are saying and you surely aren't one of those?

You're saying it's not true?

Listening to Rush Limbaugh does not make you "informed".

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 10:26 AM

sorry about that getting repeated......

MonkeyMan · 01-19-2003, 10:29 AM

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man below. She descended a bit more and shouted , "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his GPS and replied, "You're are in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

"You must be a republican," said the balloonist.

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help so far."

The man responded, "You must be a democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault.

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man below. She descended a bit more and shouted , "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his GPS and replied, "You're are in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

"You must be a republican," said the balloonist.

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help so far."

The man responded, "You must be a democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault.

Isn't that a joke about Engineers vs. Marketing?

Try having an original thought for once...

MonkeyMan · 01-19-2003, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins
Isn't that a joke about Engineers vs. Marketing?Try having an original thought for once...

Um try no... thats the original joke. And frankly if by "own thought" you mean somthing remeniciant of the nonsense one liners you spew on this forum.... no thanks champ.

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

Um try no... thats the original joke. And frankly if by "own thought" you mean somthing remeniciant of the nonsense one liners you spew on this forum.... no thanks champ.

That's better.

I'll keep an eye on you from now on and see how you develop.

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

Um try no... thats the original joke

I don't believe you. Prove that statement, or shut the fuck up.

MonkeyMan · 01-19-2003, 10:38 AM

You are dumb.

Leave my thread.

I was intelligent untill you came in here spewing your smilies.

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan
You are dumb.

quite incorrect

Quote:

Leave my thread.

make me

Quote:

I was intelligent untill you came in here spewing your smilies.

well, at least I've achieved one thing today. And it's not even lunch time.

PS. prove that statement about the joke, or shut the fuck up.

no proof = you're full of shit = I'm right

MonkeyMan · 01-19-2003, 10:45 AM

maxjohan · 01-19-2003, 10:51 AM

It s all about the money.

North Korea is the one war would be against not Iraq. But I think US is afraid of N korea...many people should die in a war against N korea. They have a 1 million strong army.

pornjudge · 01-19-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MonkeyMan
This is for money.... this is to save the value of the dollar, this is to sell newspapers and commercial air time. THIS IS A LIE.

People are going to die because rich men want more money. PERIOD. I challenge anyone to give me a valid reason for war.

I'm listening.

I agree with you 100% - Bush is a MORON just like is Father.... Father like Son..... They will kill innocent children for Dollars, Shame Shame on you bush, If the Americans go to war without UN's approval, You could say hello to ww3 & so long to the adult porn business for a while

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

You're saying it's not true?

Listening to Rush Limbaugh does not make you "informed".

Poor misinformed one.... I haven't listened to the radio in ages it's been twice as long since I've heard anything from Rush. - But he sure scares the hell out of your bunch doesn't he.

He seems to be your first "snappy" response when you otherwise have no ther way do defend your remarks.

To say "all Republicans like war" is so typical ---- and you lose any credibility when make such stupid, hateful, and divisive remarks.

and I'll just leave it at that with you.

jammyjenkins · 01-19-2003, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

and I'll just leave it at that with you.

please don't

instead, tell us the real reasons for war. you're obviously privy to inside knowledge.

FlyingIguana · 01-19-2003, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxjohan
It s all about the money.

North Korea is the one war would be against not Iraq. But I think US is afraid of N korea...many people should die in a war against N korea. They have a 1 million strong army.

north korea is exactly why iraq needs to be taken care of. you don't want iraq to build up over the next decade and then cause some shit in the middle east.

the US isn't afraid of north korea. if they were to go after them, south korea would get attacked for sure. who knows how many people would die.

scooby doo as scooby does · 01-19-2003, 01:40 PM

In the last inspections, 8 years or so ago, the UN inspectors destroyed 11,000 long range and mustard gas filled shells. Didn't go in and conquer Iraq.

This time, the UN inspectors found 11 *empty* short range (4 miles) mustard gas shells. According to the US administration this is 'serious and troubling'.

Fuck' hell, there's some dumb shites around.

Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil............

FlyingIguana · 01-19-2003, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scooby doo as scooby does
In the last inspections, 8 years or so ago, the UN inspectors destroyed 11,000 long range and mustard gas filled shells. Didn't go in and conquer Iraq.

This time, the UN inspectors found 11 *empty* short range (4 miles) mustard gas shells. According to the US administration this is 'serious and troubling'.

Fuck' hell, there's some dumb shites around.

Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil............

so would you rather just let iraq build up weapons?

Probono · 01-19-2003, 02:55 PM

Having more years than most of you I was an organizer of the antiVietnam war protests in 1969. I am and was opposed to war as a means of economic expansion and political control. I have been opposed to this Iraq adventure also.

But

I happened to see an interesting hour on the History Channel "Saddam's Bombmaker" it was about the man who headed Saddams nuclear weapons program until he fled the country in 1994. His comments sent a chill down my spine. The essence is Saddam wants the bomb, was close to having the bomb before Israel destrroyed his reactor in 1987 and would have used the bomb against Iran in their war.

The chilling part is that Saddam will or does already have a weapon and will use it if he gets one. This message makes me wonder is the Bushies know something we do not.

Sometimes a prememptive war is not a bad thing when it can save millions of deaths. Just something to ponder.

stanton · 01-19-2003, 03:34 PM

there is a logical explonation in everything

even the name of this thread is logicly not logic

ServerGenius · 01-19-2003, 04:10 PM

Another reason why Bush NEEDS this war is to distract the
attention away from your other big friend Osama Bin Laden.
The SUPERPOWER you like to call yourselfs have NOT been able
to track down 1 guy on camel.

With all your fancy stuff, with all your super intelligence you have
failed to find a guy that is hiding in a third world country. So let´s
hunt old friend Saddam. The guy who made you look like
fools after the gulf war by just playing with you. The oil is very
convenient aswell....together with the geographic location.

The US somehow thinks that they can set the rules for the rest
of the world....country X cannot have weapons of X type....but the
US can.....country y cannot do invade country z but the US can.
And why can the US.....because they consider themselfes the
saviour of the world......I hate to point out that there are
countries and people who dissagree on this point.

A good lesson that History has taught the world is that EVERY
emperium will fall....Byzantium, Egyption, Roman, Greek, German,
British, Russian, etc, etc......who´s next?

The US is so arrogant...yeah we walk in and blow them away...
blah, blah....yes you have better weapons, yes you have more
money, yes you have everything better EXCEPT MORAL.

You are fighting against people who have NOTHING to lose and
who don´t give a rats ass if they´re going to get killed or not.
These people are kinda hard to fight....just look at terrorism.
Try to get a US soldier crazy enough to fly a jumbojet full of
innocent people into a building which is also full of innocent
people and children.....I think you´ll have a hard time finding
a guy who will do it.....

In the countries you´re trying to fight.....they´re waiting in line
to do the job. I´m not anti US...as most of you will start bashing
I´m not an America hater....I´m just trying to point out that once
again you underestimate your opponent and once again you
think the whole world is waiting for you guys to step in and take
over.

You have a hard time believing why annyone could possible not
agree with your "good" intentions. Reality Check: Not everybody
loves you....and some of those who don´t have a damn good
reason for it.

Now let the flaming begin

DynaMite

scooby doo as scooby does · 01-19-2003, 04:11 PM

Probono:
Who knows; http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=889
I don't know, not many do....

This could be like that...

'Iraqi took baby incubators and left the babies on the ground to die' magnificent work of fiction just b4 the last gulf war. The main witness being a Kuwaiti Ambassadors daughter(I think, some relative) who later admitted she lied completely to congress/senate committee or whatever it was to 'trick' the US/UK public into supporting the war.

...Or it might not

FlyingIguana:
What weapons ? ten years of sanctions, constant US/UK bombing. If there are weapons, what the fuck was the point ?

Don't get me wrong. IMHO Hussein should go. Assassination, exile, whatever, but this is about control of the Oil, nothing less, nothing more.

sacX · 01-19-2003, 04:14 PM

well Saddam did use chemical weapons against Iran. What did the US do? reinstate diplomatic relations

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

please don't

instead, tell us the real reasons for war. you're obviously privy to inside knowledge.

You obviously have your mind made up and all the truth, facts and wisdom isn't going to make you realize the threat we are under if we don't. It is an awesome - huge, 10 times your wildest dreams - a single match can burn 1000 acres.

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornjudge

I agree with you 100% - Bush is a MORON just like is Father.... Father like Son..... They will kill innocent children for Dollars, Shame Shame on you bush, If the Americans go to war without UN's approval, You could say hello to ww3 & so long to the adult porn business for a while

All that name calling belongs on a grade school playground (or amoung a bunch of liberal democrats)

At least try something original - Canada already wore out "moron".

It IS refreshing to see aside for the name calling all the original ideas YOIU have to solve the problem.

AND what IF he does have UN approval - who are you going to call names then?

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Another reason why Bush NEEDS this war is to distract the
attention away from your other big friend Osama Bin Laden.
The SUPERPOWER you like to call yourselfs have NOT been able
to track down 1 guy on camel.

With all your fancy stuff, with all your super intelligence you have
failed to find a guy that is hiding in a third world country. So let´s
hunt old friend Saddam. The guy who made you look like
fools after the gulf war by just playing with you. The oil is very
convenient aswell....together with the geographic location.

The US somehow thinks that they can set the rules for the rest
of the world....country X cannot have weapons of X type....but the
US can.....country y cannot do invade country z but the US can.
And why can the US.....because they consider themselfes the
saviour of the world......I hate to point out that there are
countries and people who dissagree on this point.

A good lesson that History has taught the world is that EVERY
emperium will fall....Byzantium, Egyption, Roman, Greek, German,
British, Russian, etc, etc......who´s next?

The US is so arrogant...yeah we walk in and blow them away...
blah, blah....yes you have better weapons, yes you have more
money, yes you have everything better EXCEPT MORAL.

You are fighting against people who have NOTHING to lose and
who don´t give a rats ass if they´re going to get killed or not.
These people are kinda hard to fight....just look at terrorism.
Try to get a US soldier crazy enough to fly a jumbojet full of
innocent people into a building which is also full of innocent
people and children.....I think you´ll have a hard time finding
a guy who will do it.....

In the countries you´re trying to fight.....they´re waiting in line
to do the job. I´m not anti US...as most of you will start bashing
I´m not an America hater....I´m just trying to point out that once
again you underestimate your opponent and once again you
think the whole world is waiting for you guys to step in and take
over.

You have a hard time believing why annyone could possible not
agree with your "good" intentions. Reality Check: Not everybody
loves you....and some of those who don´t have a damn good
reason for it.

Now let the flaming begin

DynaMite

You forget - we didn't have to single out ot "get" Hitler to win WW2 did we?

You watch too much TV news.

WE set rules - whatever - after Sept.11 - yeah - we're going to set some new rules - ABOUT TIME!!

Making everyone like us not out obsession - about 2/3 of the world does - the other 1/3...... maybe aren't really concerned about the rest of the world.

DavePlays · 01-19-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
Having more years than most of you I was an organizer of the antiVietnam war protests in 1969. I am and was opposed to war as a means of economic expansion and political control. I have been opposed to this Iraq adventure also.

But

I happened to see an interesting hour on the History Channel "Saddam's Bombmaker" it was about the man who headed Saddams nuclear weapons program until he fled the country in 1994. His comments sent a chill down my spine. The essence is Saddam wants the bomb, was close to having the bomb before Israel destrroyed his reactor in 1987 and would have used the bomb against Iran in their war.

The chilling part is that Saddam will or does already have a weapon and will use it if he gets one. This message makes me wonder is the Bushies know something we do not.

Sometimes a prememptive war is not a bad thing when it can save millions of deaths. Just something to ponder.

Well put.... nothing like a dose of the facts to open one's eyes. I saw that show also.

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01-19-2003, 01:40 PM	#120
scooby doo as scooby does Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A deep dark place. Posts: 314	In the last inspections, 8 years or so ago, the UN inspectors destroyed 11,000 long range and mustard gas filled shells. Didn't go in and conquer Iraq. This time, the UN inspectors found 11 empty short range (4 miles) mustard gas shells. According to the US administration this is 'serious and troubling'. Fuck' hell, there's some dumb shites around. Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil............ __________________ In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection. NEWMAN-BERRY CASH Paying webmaster since 1904

01-19-2003, 04:10 PM	#124
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	Another reason why Bush NEEDS this war is to distract the attention away from your other big friend Osama Bin Laden. The SUPERPOWER you like to call yourselfs have NOT been able to track down 1 guy on camel. With all your fancy stuff, with all your super intelligence you have failed to find a guy that is hiding in a third world country. So let´s hunt old friend Saddam. The guy who made you look like fools after the gulf war by just playing with you. The oil is very convenient aswell....together with the geographic location. The US somehow thinks that they can set the rules for the rest of the world....country X cannot have weapons of X type....but the US can.....country y cannot do invade country z but the US can. And why can the US.....because they consider themselfes the saviour of the world......I hate to point out that there are countries and people who dissagree on this point. A good lesson that History has taught the world is that EVERY emperium will fall....Byzantium, Egyption, Roman, Greek, German, British, Russian, etc, etc......who´s next? The US is so arrogant...yeah we walk in and blow them away... blah, blah....yes you have better weapons, yes you have more money, yes you have everything better EXCEPT MORAL. You are fighting against people who have NOTHING to lose and who don´t give a rats ass if they´re going to get killed or not. These people are kinda hard to fight....just look at terrorism. Try to get a US soldier crazy enough to fly a jumbojet full of innocent people into a building which is also full of innocent people and children.....I think you´ll have a hard time finding a guy who will do it..... In the countries you´re trying to fight.....they´re waiting in line to do the job. I´m not anti US...as most of you will start bashing I´m not an America hater....I´m just trying to point out that once again you underestimate your opponent and once again you think the whole world is waiting for you guys to step in and take over. You have a hard time believing why annyone could possible not agree with your "good" intentions. Reality Check: Not everybody loves you....and some of those who don´t have a damn good reason for it. Now let the flaming begin DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

01-19-2003, 04:11 PM	#125
scooby doo as scooby does Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A deep dark place. Posts: 314	Probono: Who knows; http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=889 I don't know, not many do.... This could be like that... 'Iraqi took baby incubators and left the babies on the ground to die' magnificent work of fiction just b4 the last gulf war. The main witness being a Kuwaiti Ambassadors daughter(I think, some relative) who later admitted she lied completely to congress/senate committee or whatever it was to 'trick' the US/UK public into supporting the war. ...Or it might not FlyingIguana: What weapons ? ten years of sanctions, constant US/UK bombing. If there are weapons, what the fuck was the point ? Don't get me wrong. IMHO Hussein should go. Assassination, exile, whatever, but this is about control of the Oil, nothing less, nothing more. __________________ In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection. NEWMAN-BERRY CASH Paying webmaster since 1904

01-19-2003, 10:18 AM	#101
unconnected Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,025	Tell me when a war has logic.. Did hitler have logic when he went to war? How about the crusades? Name one war that was started for a logical reason. Obviously we fight wars such as WWII in order to preserve freedom and our way of life, but give me a logical reason to explain the start of a war. 'Strange Game, the only winning move is not to play' - Josua 1983

01-19-2003, 10:29 AM	#107
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026	A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man below. She descended a bit more and shouted , "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man consulted his GPS and replied, "You're are in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude." "You must be a republican," said the balloonist. "I am," replied the man. "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help so far." The man responded, "You must be a democrat." "I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?" "Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault.

01-19-2003, 10:38 AM	#112
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026	You are dumb. Leave my thread. I was intelligent untill you came in here spewing your smilies.

01-19-2003, 10:45 AM	#114
MonkeyMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York.... Not the city... Up north further. Its about a six hour drive to the city from here. I don't like the city much. The air is not as clean, but they do have better strip clubs. Posts: 1,026

01-19-2003, 10:51 AM	#115
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	It s all about the money. North Korea is the one war would be against not Iraq. But I think US is afraid of N korea...many people should die in a war against N korea. They have a 1 million strong army.

01-19-2003, 02:55 PM	#122
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Having more years than most of you I was an organizer of the antiVietnam war protests in 1969. I am and was opposed to war as a means of economic expansion and political control. I have been opposed to this Iraq adventure also. But I happened to see an interesting hour on the History Channel "Saddam's Bombmaker" it was about the man who headed Saddams nuclear weapons program until he fled the country in 1994. His comments sent a chill down my spine. The essence is Saddam wants the bomb, was close to having the bomb before Israel destrroyed his reactor in 1987 and would have used the bomb against Iran in their war. The chilling part is that Saddam will or does already have a weapon and will use it if he gets one. This message makes me wonder is the Bushies know something we do not. Sometimes a prememptive war is not a bad thing when it can save millions of deaths. Just something to ponder.

01-19-2003, 03:34 PM	#123
stanton So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,640	there is a logical explonation in everything even the name of this thread is logicly not logic

01-19-2003, 04:14 PM	#126
sacX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,998	well Saddam did use chemical weapons against Iran. What did the US do? reinstate diplomatic relations