stating the obvious (and i agree). however, the title of the thread was, 'would you die for your country?'.

"a military operation involves deception. even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. though effective, appear to be ineffective."

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If people minded their own business, stayed off foreign soil, stopped pushing everyone around. There would be no need to go somewhere and watch your friends gurgle in blood. All this Iraq thing is about is Bush pissed off because someone fought back at america, a cowardly way, but still. Bush couldn't find bin laden, so he is going after the next best thing, Iraq. What gives these leaders the right to put our lives in danger? It's all about proving points. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks killing off soldiers and bombing vilages is the answer are nothign but a fucking coward and is the cause of war. Sure Osama had a few thousand americans killed off guard. But does that warant going out gun happy and killing anything that does now bow down to Bush's old wrinkled feet? If staying home and putting guns away means Iraq and Bin laden get to smile, so be it, let them smile. Because we will be smiling even more when we realize we avoided a war and are still alive and still have our pathetic way of life.
One human life is more important than any bully tactice, political statement, or ANY pride.
Personaly the best war death would be seeing Bush AND Sadam And Osama die. get rid of those 3, the world is peacefull for the next 10 years. But since I don't belive in killing as an answer I would NEVER do it. Nor would I want ANYONE to do it. Bombing Iraq is an irresponsible solution. Sure they all wish us death, but it's still wrong to kill citizens even thoguh they are poisoned by political pressure from their so called leader.

Who's to say our governments opinion or our way of life is the right way. They think their way of life is the right way. And they have the right to think that. Quebec thinks theyr shit is the cat's meoq. And ontario think's it shit is too. But do yous ee them bombing and bullying each other? NOPE. They still value life.

I would rather let Osama and Sadam think they won and let them gloat than to go in and kill all their soldiers and women and children. Just my :2 cents:

I'm really impressed with all of you. :) Nobody flamed, everyone was able toe xpress their deepest opinions. Now if only the whole world was liek this there would be no killing,

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GFY = The Anti-War?????

that was... how long ago? Iraq has nothing but EMPTY warheads left now. The last US-Iraqi war exhausted them.

Advancement of the human race is the ultimate goal (see Aristotle). Oppression is the ultimate evil. I fight for liberty and justice. I believe in freedom of religion, sex, speech, etc. Freedom is the marquee of humanity.

GFY = The Anti-War? Unfortunatley not. there has been more oppression here in the past year than I have seen on the hacker boards. People on this board do not understand the meaning of sharing and free speach. I would truly like to see a free speach forum instead of the bs that goes on here most of the time. I have been fighting for that exactly since last year. :Graucho

Then explain Operation Northern Watch (ONW) to me. Since 1991, we've been over there blasting SAM sites (Surface to Air Missle), getting shot at, occasionally losing an aircraft in hushed-over "accidents". Bullshit. That's us protecting the northern no-fly zone, and keeping what few Kurds were left in that area safe from Saddam.

That was...since '91. The warheads may empty but the SAM silos sure the fuck aren't. It's still going on today. My husband was one of those flying over Iraq, part of ONW...and I have a great many good friends over there now. This has been quietly going on for years, the media just didn't bother telling anyone about it.

Thats another thing that pisses me off, not letting citizens know whats going on.

Last I looked, America stood for liberty and freedom. For that, I would die. Actually, I do not think I could live with myself if I allowed freedom and liberty to die while I stood by and watched. Then again, that is why they made Fords and Cadillacs.

Nice Sun Tzu quote, btw

I'll agree heartily with that one. Exception: When folks really don't need to be blabbing about top-secret stuff, then they can find out about the operation after the successful implementation thereof. :thumbsup

The media is a boon to any military operation. Media during war is only good for propoganda. Hence, all the "Saddam is evil" we hear on MSNBC and CNN all day long now.

"fighting for that exactly since last year"

If you're talking about GFY, you haven't done anything since you've been here, other than post drinking smilies.

There is no oppression here, hell, no one is forcing you to post here. Free speech doesn't exist on a board owned by Lensman. If you don't like it, fuck off.

How hard is such a basic concept for some people to understand?

last time i looked nobody was flaming, wanna keep it that way or il be forced to get flamy myself, which usualy ends up in an uproar

(1) No flames, just obvious facts.

(2) Flame all the fuck you want no one cares.

Are you blind to the gestapo tactics run amok here on GFY? Of course, it is not a true oppression. I can type whatever I want. There is no fear of reprisal from these punks. I guess what I meant to say is it is difficult to have a decent conversation without some ass shooting his mouth off just to stir shit up or because he thinks he is a moral judge. My bad. I will watch my wording better, oh great moderater.

And, please god, post my ratio of smiley faces to the ratio of smiley faces from the mega-posters and those you deam to be worthy of great posts.