Gutterboy

So go fulfill your destiny and die for your country, beer buddies, or whatever else. One less TGP poster.

The Y chromosome

Its not my country, its not your country. I didn't choose it, and most probably you didn't either. Trying to claim something as yours which you came upon soley by accident (of birth) is ridiculous.

You never see Palestinians burning Swiss or Canadian flags, or chanting "Death to Finland! The Great Satan!" do you? Some countries make their own troubles, incur their own debts of violence.. things which I am not responsible for. If those debts come due, what do I care if the place burns?

You can die for it, I'll be on the last plane out.

p1mpdogg

see sig.

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Sly_RJ

I think some of you guys are selecting the NO option because you didn't read the question correctly.

If YOU were being ATTACKED.

This has nothing to do with invading someone else just for the fuck of it.

But, if everyone who selected NO did understand the question correctly... well... that's just sad.

Protecting your family doesn't always mean hovering over them at home. What good would that really do when an enemy is beating down the doors to your country? Your way of life? Your society?

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hottshot

The object of war is not to die
for your country but to make
the other bastard die for his

George Patton

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iwantchixx

gesus, did they drug you with lsd in teh 60's and brainwash you while you were still daddies sperm? When someone has a gun to your head while being robed, are you going to fight for your "insert pointless honour token here" or are you going to do what he says so you can live? War is NOT about honour, it's about who has the biggest dick. If you really want to get down to honour of defending your "county". WHat is a country WITHOUGHT people left? Not everyone likes to kill people or will even do it. To me being honourable is standing up for what i belive in, ANd killing is NOT one of them under ANY circumstance. If everyone would put their fucking pride aside and stopa cting like angry cave men, maybe there would be no need for killiing,

iwantchixx

Way of life and society are not important here, it's staying alive. What good is a super-egotistical self centered arrogant materialistic money based society if there is nobody alive. People have survived thousands of years withought "way of life and society" I'm sorry but if someone WAS attacking my home I would defend it, but to join a cock fight when My family nor I are in immediate threat of death is rediculous. I would rather be a fucking cuban than be dead.

drunkmonkey

Understood. I do not believe in death and killing. Until EVERYONE agreees that war is not good, I will fight for what I believe in. I would stand up to someone who smacked my kids, as I would hope that you would. If someone attempted to attack my family, I would fight. Shit, if aliens attacked Earth, I would try to defend our way of life. War itself is not honorable, how you act in war is where the honor lies. Crying is not noble.

Sly_RJ

That's fine. Your choice.

I'd rather take my chances staying where I am instead of running to another land that I don't know, living with ideals I don't believe in. After all, isn't that why we live where we do?

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playa

have any of ya seen the movie

The Patriot

Good example of could happen

for the people that said no i feel sorry for you and your children,

i guess your mommies told you to walk away from bullies and not to fight

iwantchixx

If aliens attacked earth I would need at least 7 days to mentaly prepare msyelf and unteach myself what I thougth about aliens. Then I would fight, because then I'm in imediate danger.


I think w hen i first read the poll I was assuming something else. I didn't clue into that it was an "if I was being attacked" scenario.

if enough peple stodd up and displayed they refuse to fight, there would be no need to go to war. Nobody to fight? No war.

phogirl69

No, I wouldn't fight but that's because I'm a girl! And I'm small
(I'm only 90 lbs and 5 ft tall) I'm wimpy , weak and scared of pain and blood! But I prolly would fight if i was a guy and tougher. I know a lot of guys love to fight and stuff, some guys even told me they would like to die in war, they think it's the "manly" thing to do. But I'm sorry, I have to admit, I'm a weakling, I'll probably run and hide in the bushes

Not all girls are wimpy tho, my best friend said she would fight agains the Iraqi girls! She told me I would probably die tho because I'm a wuss

Sly_RJ

Well duh, everyone knows diplomacy always wins.

Diplomacy is shit without enforcement.

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drunkmonkey

Exactly! The true Military Scientists dream! War sucks. Those who wish to wage war are idiots. However, at this point in time, war is inevitable. The human race is not ready for a peaceful mankind. Shit, America was just attacked without provocation a little over a year ago. There are plenty of people in this world that DREAM of war.

Sly_RJ

Dude, I live in the real world. Not some perfect society. Something always fucks up. That's why we still have nukes.

People are not trustworthy. People always do what's in THEIR best interest. That's why counter-action is always needed.

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drunkmonkey

Alexander the Great defeated King Darius when Alexander only had 47,000 men and Darius had over 1,000,000! Might does not equal winning. You go girl!

Gutterboy

That I agree with, and the answer to the poll really depends on what the war in question is over.

People will undoubtedly die in the coming invasion of Iraq. Will they die for freedom? Their Country? Ideals? Their friends, family, and everyone else who mourns them will try to make themselves feel a bit better by pretending that is the case, but it ain't so. They will die because G.W.B wants to play personal grudge match with foreign policy.

If you were truly fighting for your freedom and the freedom of others, and it was a situation where you had to fight and risk death or live under tyranny, then yes, I'd go. But modern wars, for the most part anyway, have nothing to do with that. Its money, oil, religion, and ideology.. things I am not prepared to defend.

Tala

I've lost a knee and damn near lost the whole leg in service to my country. I don't give a damn if I am female, I've proudly served as a member of the armed forces, and would do so again without second thought.

Would I die for my country? Hell yes. You think those fucks over in the middle east give a shit about gender, you think they give two shits about anything or anyone other than their money, their oil, or their desired way of life?

*shrug*

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Simon-interaid

> Would you die for your country?


My answer flat out is .... FUCK no.

why should I?

I didn't find my life from no garbage bag...

I live once and whatever is going to take my life away damn well better be something better than me fighting a war !

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quiet

word. and of course fighting doesn't always mean fighting physically.

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Simon-interaid

That was incase of me fighting a war abroad.



IN case of my country being attacked...


Fuck yes I would.

I would defend my country to death.


But I would never , EVER go to a war abroad.

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phogirl69

I don't think so, I'm probably the wimpiest person you'll ever meet. But unfortunately I have a bad attitude too that doesn't go well with a physically weak person. One time I started a fight with some girls and they camped out in front of my house for weeks (because I cussed one of them out) and I was scared to leave my house for 2 weeks! I went grocery shopping at 6am in the morning to avoid them, and my friend, who's a lot tougher, would bring scissors with her so she could protect me, lol.

Anyways, I'm too scared to die for my country too, I'm too young to die, I'm only 24!! And I don't want to die a painful death, or get shot/stabbed or die of cancer, I just want to die in my sleep


I know some females are very brave and do great service for their country, but I'm just REALLY scared of pain, I think it would hurt A LOT to get shot or stabbed and I don't think I can handle it. I don't have a high pain tolerance, I get freaked just getting my blood taken at the doctors, I don't think I can handle a painful death. Please God don't let me die painfully!!!

TheDoc

Untill you have stood in a pile of your friends blood as you hear his body girgle from the blood in his lungs and he asks you to help, when you have smelled what war smells like and the taste it leaves on you for weeks, after you see what happens when you live and your family dies, then you can choose to run or fight.

I have seen this and if someone invaded the US then you best hope the world ends soon after as a battle like that would not be worth fighting. A war like that would kill you even if the enemy doesnt. War is worse than what you see on TV or what you read in books, after the story is over it's gone, that doesnt happen in real life.

Would I fight again?

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drunkmonkey

A physical confrontation is the LAST step in winning. And a desperate one at that. In any physical confrontation, no matter how powerful one side is, there is always a chance of losing.

iwantchixx

same can be said about the contry claiming it needs to "defend" itself from iraq. Iraq has nothing, no manpower, no weapons capable of busting a bubble gum bubble. But they do have one thing, somehting to feed all the rich people's SUV's

Tala

Tell that to the Kurdish people, you know, the ones that Saddam was doing his best to eradicate from the face of the planet.

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phogirl69

Well, if i have to die for my country, i just want to get shot in the head in the back, without seeing it, i don't want to get shot in my stomach and bleed to death in agony or get stabbed or anything painful and die painfully. Aren't any of you guys
scared of pain??????? I think I'm scared of pain more than anything, I'm probably more scared of pain than dying itself.

drunkmonkey

Fear of pain is a good thing. Learning to win without fighting is the ultimate goal (Sun Tzu - the Art of War). The world would be a better place if everyone thought like you did.

quiet

stating the obvious (and i agree). however, the title of the thread was, 'would you die for your country?'.

"a military operation involves deception. even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. though effective, appear to be ineffective."

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iwantchixx

If people minded their own business, stayed off foreign soil, stopped pushing everyone around. There would be no need to go somewhere and watch your friends gurgle in blood. All this Iraq thing is about is Bush pissed off because someone fought back at america, a cowardly way, but still. Bush couldn't find bin laden, so he is going after the next best thing, Iraq. What gives these leaders the right to put our lives in danger? It's all about proving points. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks killing off soldiers and bombing vilages is the answer are nothign but a fucking coward and is the cause of war. Sure Osama had a few thousand americans killed off guard. But does that warant going out gun happy and killing anything that does now bow down to Bush's old wrinkled feet? If staying home and putting guns away means Iraq and Bin laden get to smile, so be it, let them smile. Because we will be smiling even more when we realize we avoided a war and are still alive and still have our pathetic way of life.
One human life is more important than any bully tactice, political statement, or ANY pride.
Personaly the best war death would be seeing Bush AND Sadam And Osama die. get rid of those 3, the world is peacefull for the next 10 years. But since I don't belive in killing as an answer I would NEVER do it. Nor would I want ANYONE to do it. Bombing Iraq is an irresponsible solution. Sure they all wish us death, but it's still wrong to kill citizens even thoguh they are poisoned by political pressure from their so called leader.

Who's to say our governments opinion or our way of life is the right way. They think their way of life is the right way. And they have the right to think that. Quebec thinks theyr shit is the cat's meoq. And ontario think's it shit is too. But do yous ee them bombing and bullying each other? NOPE. They still value life.

I would rather let Osama and Sadam think they won and let them gloat than to go in and kill all their soldiers and women and children. Just my

iwantchixx

I'm really impressed with all of you. Nobody flamed, everyone was able toe xpress their deepest opinions. Now if only the whole world was liek this there would be no killing,

hrm


GFY = The Anti-War?????

iwantchixx

that was... how long ago? Iraq has nothing but EMPTY warheads left now. The last US-Iraqi war exhausted them.

drunkmonkey

Advancement of the human race is the ultimate goal (see Aristotle). Oppression is the ultimate evil. I fight for liberty and justice. I believe in freedom of religion, sex, speech, etc. Freedom is the marquee of humanity.

GFY = The Anti-War? Unfortunatley not. there has been more oppression here in the past year than I have seen on the hacker boards. People on this board do not understand the meaning of sharing and free speach. I would truly like to see a free speach forum instead of the bs that goes on here most of the time. I have been fighting for that exactly since last year.

Tala

Then explain Operation Northern Watch (ONW) to me. Since 1991, we've been over there blasting SAM sites (Surface to Air Missle), getting shot at, occasionally losing an aircraft in hushed-over "accidents". Bullshit. That's us protecting the northern no-fly zone, and keeping what few Kurds were left in that area safe from Saddam.

That was...since '91. The warheads may empty but the SAM silos sure the fuck aren't. It's still going on today. My husband was one of those flying over Iraq, part of ONW...and I have a great many good friends over there now. This has been quietly going on for years, the media just didn't bother telling anyone about it.

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iwantchixx

Thats another thing that pisses me off, not letting citizens know whats going on.

drunkmonkey

Last I looked, America stood for liberty and freedom. For that, I would die. Actually, I do not think I could live with myself if I allowed freedom and liberty to die while I stood by and watched. Then again, that is why they made Fords and Cadillacs.

Nice Sun Tzu quote, btw

Tala

I'll agree heartily with that one. Exception: When folks really don't need to be blabbing about top-secret stuff, then they can find out about the operation after the successful implementation thereof.

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drunkmonkey

The media is a boon to any military operation. Media during war is only good for propoganda. Hence, all the "Saddam is evil" we hear on MSNBC and CNN all day long now.

OnTime

"fighting for that exactly since last year"

If you're talking about GFY, you haven't done anything since you've been here, other than post drinking smilies.

There is no oppression here, hell, no one is forcing you to post here. Free speech doesn't exist on a board owned by Lensman. If you don't like it, fuck off.

How hard is such a basic concept for some people to understand?

iwantchixx

last time i looked nobody was flaming, wanna keep it that way or il be forced to get flamy myself, which usualy ends up in an uproar

OnTime

(1) No flames, just obvious facts.

(2) Flame all the fuck you want no one cares.

drunkmonkey

Are you blind to the gestapo tactics run amok here on GFY? Of course, it is not a true oppression. I can type whatever I want. There is no fear of reprisal from these punks. I guess what I meant to say is it is difficult to have a decent conversation without some ass shooting his mouth off just to stir shit up or because he thinks he is a moral judge. My bad. I will watch my wording better, oh great moderater.

And, please god, post my ratio of smiley faces to the ratio of smiley faces from the mega-posters and those you deam to be worthy of great posts.