I did not mean for this to get personal

Remember that it is YOU That Thew the First Stones


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Dude, for real, re-read this thread. My name and linkspuns construction/design were brought up long before me, or anybody I know posted in here. It even says on the Everess main site that imports from LS are available, this is not allowed and could be a threat to our operations and server load, but the whole 'construction' issue gets me, now I feel like someone fucked my wife. Really.

If Kaktuz hit me up asking if we could do a LS/LO import/export together we'd be on the ball in minutes toward getting it done. If you hit me up asking similar for t-ball or Everess I'd be all over it. Instead we read that LS wasn't good enough, and put together improperly and that you can rape our db, for our data, to build up your own active trades list.

I WILL allow exports when requested, I would NOT turn down a user of such privileges, but we cannot have people just hitting the db for such data at will, it jeopardizes all the data we do have, and our ability to serve it up. So that will always remain a 'not without written permission' type scenario.

I do not have an import function for this very reason, it needs to be co-operative effort otherwise it is an intrusive attack. You would not want me scraping your db either, and I wouldn't think of it.

Everess mentioned linkspun in the their/your opening posts... or I'd have had no reason to bring LS up.
I was a paying member of thunderball, an advertiser on the site and referred others to become users and advertisers of the tball site.
My disgust with tball comes from the complete lack of support for members, advertisers and myself personally when you bailed.
I'd be happy to use two or three or ten good link sites, but using a bad one is detrimental to the webmaster community.

My questions were fair and simple. Who owns everss, does anyone know them and can they be trusted.
The only reason not to answer is if the owners are unknowns or people who can't be trusted.
If everess is owned by someone reputable feel free to let us all know who that is and what they have one before.

As for me being 'judgmental', yer damn right I'm judgmental of people who have billed me for services they failed to provide in the past or people who burn quality companies and web masters that I have referred to them in the past. If you think that's my 'business model' you know very little about my business... which isn't surprising, because frankly you seem to know very little about your own business model as well.

Yes that's true but not between me and you or McLaren. Prior to that post I said nothing negative or positive about you or your site.

I did a quick scan like you said and it was brought up by relentless and spun out of control from there(typical GFY).

Relentless got in McLaren's face and polished it off with a statement about you - Putting You up and him down (indirectly read the post). Post number - fuck theres no post numbers anymore. ahh post #27. Hes a noob, he doesn't know You he doesn't know Relentless and he obviously does not know how it works around here. I told him to stay away from all forums (like I tried to over the years). And although he clearly over-reacted I don't blame him for taking offense He comes from a world where he is trusted - Very trusted - and for someone to even hint that he is in any way - any kind of scam is a major insult. And then the Fucking Trolls and Sig Whores Piled ON and he FREAKED



I seriously don't know what your talking about - that is no where in this thread. I never said anything negative about you. He never said anything negative about you. I don't know what your talking about!!!



He can't!!!! It's a Breech of Federal Law!! You're protected even without a terms of service.


Enough for 1 day

shit

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Just when I thought I was done


I remember the kind of account I gave you so don't imply that you did not get what you paid for. ALL Advertisers had run WAY more then they paid for. Your statement is pretty general about being billd for services not delivered - but that can not be applied to thunder-ball - AT ALL.


I will admit that Support was a fucking nightmare --- ON BOTH ENDS --- For EVERYONE!!! Alicia was CONSTANTLY HOUNDED - CONSTANTLY!!! Relentlessly!!! (no play on words I'm serious here). She was hounded So much that she could not sort out the Real Support issues from the people DEMANDING NEW Stuff that we never offered!!!

It was INSANE!!! People DEMANDING THAT WE FIX things with thumbblogger - DEMANDING That We FIX things with sensualwriter, Blaming our Spider Saying its Broken when it is the other Partner coding the Link Wrong!! If doughs reads through here again - I ASSURE YOU HE CAN RELATE


The spider has not been wrong in over 3 YEARS!! Maybe 4. We are not responsible for other peoples sites. No matter how many times we explained it - People are STILL BITCHING AT HER TODAY.

So every case - EVERY CASE - that came in had to be explained and explained over and over again to the user that it is the other person is coding the link wrong. They don't get any response from the other person so they vented their BLAMING ANGER on her. The people that had legitimate needs - got buried - and it was NOT intentional. If I made her support logs public - you would Definitly have a different opinion of the situation.

She was Overloaded and stressing out - Finally I made her take a vacation.

So, The "disgust" is on both sides of the fence. You know this industry probably better than anyone. You know exactly how people get. So now that I've explained it - I think You understand The Support Situation.



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I can certainly relate, no question there.

This place... Is by Definition... Insane.

But aside from the conflicts some people have asked some questions about my theories. And that's all they ever are... Theories, I will post my theories and you can either believe them... Or Not. All I say is listen/read with an open mind before hammering the... You don't know shit button.

In time you will see that my theories ( with or without proof ) make sense.

But NOT if you're a Forum-HATER... Hell Bent on Gunning the new guy down.

linkspun is stil better

Linkspun was mentioned by Everess twice in post #1 and again (in a negative way) in post #4.... long before I entered the thread. You saying I brought it up is inaccurate and a bit silly because anyone reading can simply check the posts at the start of the thread.

I can definitely appreciate the amount of support requests you were getting with thunderball... and I'm sure we can both also agree that managing and satisfying all of them proved to be too much for the original tball team to handle (which is the reason it became defunct). However, as someone who paid for a membership, advertised on the site and referred many others to do the same - that outcome was far from desirable.

Now someone new, who it seems nobody knows, is suggesting they will be able to handle exactly what thunderball did not handle properly in the past... and yet, they find the questions 'who are you?'and 'can anyone vouch for you?' to be insulting somehow? Based on the history of that site and my limited involvement in how it was monetized, I don't think those questions are the slightest bit rude or unfair.

My comments in this thread were not intended as an attack of everess or a defense of linkspun. They were intended to get important information from the new owner(s) which apparently is not forthcoming... so, it seems my questions have now been answered, at least indirectly. :2 cents:

Thanks.

Is this software compatible with Linkcontrol?

We've signed up with Linkcontrol after the Affiliate Summit and are not interested in fucking up our existing link management and reporting.

Thank you in advance for taking time to respond.

You will need to quote post 1 to uphold this statement... Why didn't you...?

Post 4 I said "we didn't like it's construction" ... Which is Pretty FAR from the trash you so casually threw at me when implying "a defunct piece of garbage" with no this and no that

At this moment... No. However if we can get in contact with you in some way we can have it integrated ( if possible ). We already have requests to integrate with 3rd party systems and none have been a problem so far.

Apparently there is no private messaging here so How can we contact you ... Or if you have 40 seconds you can register at EVERESS.net and email me there. Username: JR.McLaren

would never use everess since bond is involved.

Wow... you are trying to sell link trading software to SEOs and webmasters but you can't parse your own message board posts for the keyword 'linkspun'? Really?

Post #1:
Everess Says: "Our Spiders have Identified 17 Major Adult Clusters Including Thunder-Ball and LinkSpun."

Everess Says: "LinkSpun Domain Cluster Contains Approximately: 21,288 Domains"

That's two mentions of Linkspun in your first post exactly as I pointed out above.

Post #4
Everess Says: "We Purchased The ThunderBall system from Mr.Bond (as you knew him) several months ago. We looked at LinkSpun too but didn't like it's construction. ThunderBall also had like 70,000 Domains where as we estimated LinkSpun around 20,000"

That's the second post in which you tried to bring linkspun into your announcement (and this time in a negative way). Twenty-three posts later in post #27 I asked you who you are and "how we can be sure this system won't become a defunct piece of garbage with zero support from the owner the way TBall ended up."

Anyone who used tball would agree it ended badly with no support for paying members or advertisers, let alone free users. That's anyone familiar with thunderball including the former owner Mr. Bond who admitted as much in his above posts #79 and #85. Everess may be great or may be garbage, I haven't used it. Thunderball did become a defunct piece of garbage, and as the buyer you ought to be aware of that. If you want to shed some light on other sites or projects you have successfully managed, let me know... I'm always listening. If you don't, then you may want to accept the fact that your product is unfortunately linked to tball which ended badly and wasted a huge amount of webmasters' time including some of my own.

My posts are clear. Suggesting things that are still recorded in this thread were not said, or were said in a different order or by different people is silly. Anyone reading the thread can see the exact order of things said and who the speaker was at the time. :2 cents:

Uhh.. No... A competent programmer and site owner should make sure this kind of stuff (URL's with or without the trailing /) don't happen. It just makes good sense. Your elitist attitude compliments that of the previous owner.

Come back when you get off of the drugs man. Or did they burn your brain in such a way that you can no longer see things from another persons point of view?

That is the mark of a crazy person. The lack in ability to see things from the other way around. You have always had that problem and it has always been the Achilles heal of TB.

When I read his "attack" I saw them as valid questions and when I read his update to why he asks the questions he asks they totally made sense. This guy is asking me to invest 1/2 a day getting my stuff set up in his system. He is asking me to work with him on making his site a competitive product. Then he is asking me to put up with his elitist attitude. I already did that with you and I am sorry, but I won't do it again...

As for paying members making requests for features you never offered...

Do I really need to enter the TB forum and quote the features we requested?

Off the top of my head...

The trailing slash problem. I could have fixed that for you. A simple check for a slash being the last character, if not there, put it on... simple!

The stripping of www. from the links. This wasn't a feature request! It was asking you to make the fucking site work! We paid for it to work! Somehow this got broken, all we asked for was that it be restored to its original working condition!

Various problems with not seeing certain characters as the same in anchor text... Your site didn't know %20 was a space. Or what encoded html entities were. Simple shit it needed to know because Wordpress converts ' into them! This isn't a fucking feature, it is a fundamentally required function for any service working with link checking!

The fact is that you basically stopped supporting us so we left. Now for the real big kicker... and I know you won't believe me... But JDoughs actually covers the huge costs of running the site all by selling ads. He knows how to market the site. He brings in thousands a month doing so and spends it all adding new features. And that is why this happened:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2cwvnlj.png

Ya, I'm bettin your French - and that's about as much as you said before raising the whiite flag.

I don't know what your saying here. Our message board does not restrict any words. The word "parse" commonly means to separate(there are others uses but I'm assuming that's the one you mean). but again we do not restrict any words from our message board and there is no search. Unlike the guy that runs thumblogger that banned any use of the word thunder-ball (I know that has nothing to do with you I'm just saying we don't do that).

If the Simple Stating of a Number is a negative thing to you... That's just YOU ...
you are being Overly Assertive. There are NO ADJECTIVES describing the number as positive or negative ... so you can Read Into that as much as you like. Apparently You can ALWAYS Find something Negative... even if it's not negative you are calling it that.

I have Not used Any Negative Words such as: Garbage, trash, shit, etc... and THAT IS A FACT... You saying my statements are Negative is only Opinion since you can not find any negative words in my statements.


You have labeled me as being on a Negative Campaign against LinkSpun... I AM NOT!. And the only thing I have to back me up on that is a post from like a month ago WAY BEFORE this bar room brawl began:

https://gfy.com/gfy-educational-series/972141-generating-hardlinks-using-strategy-based-linking-tools-2.html Post #87


Eventually you would have seen that I advocate the use of Both Systems... But before I could say anything like that you were all over me Requiring credibility... and an autobiography.


That is true as Bond has admitted.

But now that I am here to change that...

- I am accused of being Bond.
- Accused of being unable to provide support
- Accused of being unable to maintain service...
- and the list goes on.

Advertisers that had FAR exceeded the length of their term... Do Not Require Support. This was determined as the site was passed off to me... the same time your banner and name came up. All advertisers had exceeded their paid time (by a long shot).


I understand you don't want your time wasted. I know there are a lot of hit and Run Scams not just in adult (and ESPECIALLY IN SEO). I Don't Think Like that... and that's why I honestly don't know how to answer you on some of your questions..

Who am I ... well my name is in my signature?? What have I done: Well at age 22 I was an analyst at IBM. After which I became an independent analyst and consultant for 7 maybe 8 years. Around maybe 2003 I started analyzing websites for SEO and that's where I come from. You can't expect me to divulge my client list for the same reason people want private profiles at thunderball. They don't want their site architectures copied.

But I Seriously Doubt any of theses answers are going to mean anything to your or anyone here. I have seen threads in all types of forums and Especially here in which people require proof that can NEVER be substantiated. And then it just goes around and around in circles.



Well TAKE A Look before you Leap!!! Less than 3 minutes inside EVERESS will show you that it is a major build. Every page... every step... has been stared at for weeks. The database alone took 45 days just to design. We Took our time. It was a MAJOR EFFORT.


If you knew the amount of effort and money it took to build EVERESS You would know it is absurd to think that it is any kind of scam. But with you I can't be so sure... you think the statement of a number used in a inert context is "negative".


If you do not take the time to look at something before making ANY kind of statements about it positive or negative... That is by definition - Prejudice.

I am open for debate... But not when you stat opinions as Facts.

Fris - THE ULTIMATE SIG WHORE!!!

I think theres 1 other but can't remember the name.

100 linktrade dramas.

A good physiatrist could write a whole paper on this thread alone.

Is this your first venture into marketing? If you think reputation means nothing you have a lot to learn. :2 cents:

I was thinking the same thing.

Well, judging by the typos pointed out earlier, I would have come to the conclusion that this post was written by the same person that wrote the text on TB.

You might want to read it over again . . . or have someone read it to you.

Yet, here you are.

Not really. :2 cents:



My personal opinion . . . not that anyone cares.

I have not used TB or LS, however, I have only read positive things about LS and Jdoughs (even if we do not feel the same way about everything.

Reviews of TB seemed to be positive and negative, depending on who was talking. Bond never registered on my radar.

When I read the op yesterday my initial thought was that they obviously feel LS is their primary competitor. I would have avoided using their name in my press release. While Coke may mention Pepsi in their ads, I don't think you are at that level yet.

And 300!!!! More to come!!!! - SPARTANS!! Push!!!!!

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The prognosis would likely be:

A community of badly aging upper middle aged people driven by suspicion and EXTREME PARANOIA.

This paranoia has driven them into tightly wound cliques that depend on social and political connections for advancement and success in there industry. Similar to Hollywood the majority of these people are composed of 20-35% talent with the remainder of their business success relying on those political connections with the elite of the industry (Used HERE IN CORRECT CONTEXT VROCKS - you need to learn the definition of that word). Simply put, it is an industry of who you know not what you know.

While some do posses a high intellect, the majority consist of moderately educated social climbers. Each rung in the ladder of success in this industry is closely monitored and guarded by the current keepers who will vigorously repel anyone that is not on the guest list which is compiled by the industry's elite.

Anyone holding a substantial position in this community will execute a maximum effort to suppress any competitor they see as a threat to their position. These efforts are conducted covertly while some participants will overtly deny such activities and distribute lies and propaganda composed of adolescent statements typically used in school yards.

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no one wants to use your shit system, fuck off.

Agent 488 Post 1 - hire a pr person.
Agent 488 Post 2 - ???????????????
Agent 488 Post 3 - 50 confusing threads.
Agent 488 Post 4 - post some links to back up your link cluster theories.
Agent 488 Post 5 - no one ........
Agent 488 Post 6 - would never use everess since bond is involved.
Agent 488 Post 7 - no one wants to use your shit system, fuck off.


Thats 7 posts adding up to about 1 and 1/2 sentances

Your numerous replies - NEVER exceeding 1 sentance - are that of a sig whore.


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I guess that's why we have more NEW signups... then you have total words in all your posts.

ok ................

Notice both Bond and Everess, both use bold white font in their sentences for emphasis. Exactly the same style.

That's Ridiculous when your sentence looks EXACTLY the same.

OMG I used "Exactly the same" words as you... Maybe I'm You Too!!!!

ALL THE FONTS Here are WHITE...

You guys really are Paranoid

Go to page two and search for "!." and see which two people end their sentences that way when they get excited. It's not something which is very common.

That from a man who wrote an detailed article about SEO hosting... while (at the time) running a HEAVY Signature Advertisement for SEO hosting.

https://gfy.com/gfy-educational-series/952659-seo-hosting-explained.html

And it appears that you own an SEO hosting company. While your article got GREAT comments and response from people in the thread. SEO Hosting wash BRUTALLY Shot Down in the main forums.

But that's not really a reflection on you... that's and indication of how loyalty at this forum goes only as far as the next click of the mouse.

Fucking A... Using the " ! " ?????

What's next... speaking the English Language?

LOL good catch.

Did he contact you for thread support by ICQ... or by Phone where you could.... Finish Him off with a Happy Ending?

You are more clueless than I gave you credit for.

I tried Everess and it's the worst service ever offered.

might be good for german webmasters.