Ya know what,

I'd love to hand it off. But the way things get in forums sometimes - I don't want to put that on anyone.

Thanks for posting helpful hints about building hard links and SEO optimization.

This looks like it's going well...

Anyway, you may have announced it a bit prematurely since not everything is working and two out of the four times I've visited I've got just a blank page with the logo at the top, which I assume means you're still working on it.

The forum doesn't work either so can't give any feedback in there on what I've seen so far.

Calista is cute though.

Not sure if your being sarcastic or not. There are no articles on EVERESS (explanation below)

I have been posting here on GFY for a while .

I talk about most SEO stuff in the videos. I'm sorry the other instructional videos are down right now because we discovered a codec problem. They should be up in a day or 2.

After that you probably won't see many articles unless users really want them. The reason is: lot has to be shown to you at the same time. Also, We stopped reading about most SEO stuff a long time ago ( along with everyone else that eventually comes to the conclusion that 98% of SEO articles are out of date or written by a consultant trying to bill you ).

As I'm sure you will agree most SEO Articles are Way out of date. And most you find are full of sales trash anyway ( like SEO Hosting ). When our videos start to appear... watch those. We pretty much tell it all because knowing what to do in SEO is one thing. Actually achieving it is quite another - and that's where we make our money.

Hit me up on ICQ. We did heavy testing of the site before announcing it. But, it was all at offices with fiber connections. The site uses a series of AJAX Loaders. We thought we had slowed them down enough... but perhaps not.

Get me on ICQ and I'll get you sorted out. Also... what browser are you using?

???????????????

What the suck?

I just visited your site. You might want to run your homepage through spell check.

50 confusing threads.

51 Bond nicks...

LOL .. Thanks Got it

lol. i clicked close on the video as soon as he said "relevancy is the most important part of aquiring a valuable link".

:)

And uahhh... What would you say is most important?

Will hit you up later but still can't post in the forum - hit the post button and nothing happens - both in IE8 and FF 3.6.

FWIW I wanted to suggest that you teach your script that there is no such thing as a domain URL without a trailing slash e.g. hxxp://www.mydomain.com should always have "/" on the end, omitting it is just lazy. I see many of my domains listed both with and without, some only show the root domain without the slash, which is wrong and annoying.

Where can someone register for the .com (mainstream sites I am assuming)?

When I type in everess dot com all I get is a request for user pass.

Confused now.

looks like you owe Mr Bond money and your system blows compared to Linkspun, congrats.

:1orglaugh welcome back Bond

Your 'facts' are inaccurate. Also, if you know Mr. Bond, feel free to ask him about me. I was 'politically connected' to thunder-ball and Mr. Bond long before you allegedly bought Tball from him. Most of its users will recall the WebmasterScore banner that ran on the Tball home page for months and several are aware of other ways we cross-promoted sites.

I was not being rude, when I asked you to clarify the ownership of your site because I (and hundreds of others) got burned by the way thunder-ball was mismanaged toward the end. Using a site like yours takes many hours of 'setup' time and relies on continued site maintenance for it to be even remotely effective. If someone invests that kind of time into using your site and then you fade out (which is exactly what happened with the last version of thunderball) it costs webmasters significant money and creates a mess of dropped links among reputable webmasters who relied on faulty software to their detriment.

When you come to GFY asking people to use your new product it IS a job interview. One you seem unable to handle in a calm, professional manner. So, I'll ask you again... Who are you? Does anyone in this industry know you? Can anyone vouch for your ability to provide a quality product with LONG TERM upkeep?

Your answer matters. :2 cents:

Ralentless just killed that entire site, thread can be destroyed.

linkspun is much better and has more quality, thunderball was like an incest of sites that had no value.

somethings that are more important.

Does the site get 10 hits day?
How many inbounds does the site have?
How many outbounds does the site have?
Are you already trading with sites on the same ip range?
Is the site indexed on google?
Is the site sandboxed?

I think if you have a pornstar site its ok to trade with hardcore video site. Surfers are going to be interested in both. And google isn't going to mind.

post some links to back up your link cluster theories.

Hey Everess,

You do not have to "be somebody" to have a new service however if you are well-known in this industry, and liked and trusted, that would help convince folks that it is worth their time to try out a new product right away, such as the one that you are introducing. If your product "rocks" everyone will get there eventually, however I am sure that you'd like folks climbing over each other to become a part of your program.

Most webmasters know the value of back links and any reputable place for us to get more of them is something that we are interested in. That said, time and energy are important too...nuff said on that.

I was using Firefox...the latest version.

Then I'm not sure where it got that number...if it was my url count then it was only for about two of my sites, if it was my domain count it was a bit high. I probably do not have all of my sites listed at ThunderBall...hence it's not biggie. I was just unsure of what that number was and whether there was a place to see which of my domains you had listed on your site.

Your assumption on my motives is incorrect. I went to your site and saw some broken images, etc and thought you'd want to know about it. You brought this to an open forum and I assumed you wanted a valid discussion on it. If you prefer for folks to point out any gliches that they see via icq or email you should probably mention that in your thread.

I would appreciate an answer regarding Thunderball though. My understanding is that you bought it. Is this correct? If so, is it dead? As I mentioned earlier, I have noticed that thunderball is not updating when links are killed...I do not have a paid account there, and am wondering if it is just not updating for folks with free accounts, is it dead, do you have plans to work it, what?

I bet him that the Polotical Form Trolls would attack within the first day and that he would enter into an INTENSE CONFLICT WITH THEM. He loses not because they attacked but because he went over the top in his responses.

I am confused too.

Not really sure anyone even attacked... most just seem to be asking questions. :2 cents:

Well here's the thing man,

Everyone has their own view of the world and that includes you. In his post he said Nothing - ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING about LinkSpun or JDoughs.

So, when you hit him with the Fucking Spanish Inquisition in combination with putting LinkSpun and JDoughs up on a high pedestal that sends a clear signal that you are drawing a line and taking sides. And don't deny for even one moment that you are taking sides because it's in your own post.

As he pointed out your entire business mentality is based on" Judgment of Others". In your judgment you Completely SKIP the post and go directly into interrogation with a Barrage of: Who The Fuck Are YOU and What the Fuck have you done.

So without knowing anything about him or everess you have implied that he is nothing an no one and that his service will be shit. And, that's just blatant prejudice. And it's not just you. Throughout history all noobs that propose anything in forums endure this kind of scrutiny.


If you had not said anything about JDoughs or linkspun that would have just been you bashing a noob. But you did thats what made your post an ATTACK in defense of linkspun. It's right there in your post.

What a dick you are.

You are correct... but apparently people at thunder-ball got pissed when they were forced to do it properly. The spider would throw an alert about it.

Nothing about me or LS? Look below, hell I'm even mentioned on your homepage. Could at least link me up.

Bullshit.
You may want to read my T.O.S. before attempting to do that.
Why would you need to mention me over and over again in YOUR scripts release. I didn't need to say "thunder-ball" once to sail Linkspun past that sinking ship.
I tried hard not to post in here, but I still got some hard feelings about being left out in the cold at t-ball. And since both of you have brought may name up several times, I cant stop myself.

At least you are posting under your real nick now Mr Bond, the Everess nick was NOT hiding who you were very well. Anybody who spent more then 30 seconds inside thunder-ball can see that this is the same persons handiwork. I doubt that it's even a new script, it looks like the exact same guy (Mr Bond) threw some new carpet and drapes on thunder-ball, and attempted to catch what was left of his crumbling userbase.

Same ranting lunatic talking about the site.
Same javascript on both sites.
Same html on both sites done in crayon.
Same sketchy ajax loads.
Same sketchy "no navigation, no back, no forward, fuck you"
Same broken links, broken spider, broken pages, incorrect layout.
Same database, host, IP's.
Same pay me now, get features later execution.
Cold Fusion, what more to say?

All of the above is fine and makes sense if the same guy built both. Saying the system is 100% recoded is complete horseshit. I WISH it was, I'd STILL be paying you membership fees.

Your lack of management and inability to think caused me from going from a paid member of your service, to the nailer of your sites coffin in less then a month. To charge over a hundred users a premium price for support and special features and then OUTRIGHT IGNORE them for 6 months is completely ridiculous. Expecting them to use a broken system and then pay you for the privilege is just wrong.

It is NO wonder that the only way you had a chance to pull things back was to re-release under an assumed identity, with a new layout (which really still looks like the same old shit) , a new set of domains, and a dream of expanding into mainstream as well.

Seriously, who do you think you are kidding?

no one ........

Well said...deserves a bump :thumbsup

well said jdoughs

snap-ety-snap

congrats to the winners!

You and the name of your site were Only STATED. Nothing positive or negative was said about them by me or McLaren


Doughs, I never had a problem with you but that's fuckin retarded.

WHY IN THE FUCK Would I want to Come Back to This FUCKING Industry??? (no pun intended at all) Seriously, why would I want to come back to this this SHIT??? That's EXACTLY Why I left in the first place. Years ago!! I basically retired around the same time, I don't need shit and you know it. I put Thunder-Ball up for sale. You KNOW THIS - YOU KNOW THE HISTORY! So the only thing I can think of is your memory is even worse than mine which I did not think was possible.


I LEFT YEARS AGO!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh... That's that Cold Feeling You Got. Why did that happen? I got sick of the fuckin bullshit just like this thread. Accusations, baseless name calling.

And it was not you at those times - it has only become you now because your one of the few left standing. Whenever there's a fight in the forums EVERYONE Jumps on their ICQ and gets their friends to back them in a thread. But, I don't think you do that doughs, from what I see can see I do not think that would be your style. I'm just describing the general atmosphere here which hasn't change one bit.

Throughout it's ENTIRE HISTORY from Rise To Fall Thunder-Ball was HATED ON IN Forums over and over again. It's Shit! - It's Shit! - It's Shit!!!!!. But the traffic graphs and paid member signups told the truth. Even at the PEEK of TBNs popularity and service just barely over 200 a day when 90-95% of users were happy - there would be 1 or a few people that didn't get their ass kissed to their satisfaction and would drop a forum BOMB.

Even more insulting, every once in a while someone would signup(paid) and ask for NEW Features - and act like they were robbed when they didn't get them. I didn't promise or even imply there would be anything new. Further more, I was called unethical for charging to cover hosting costs. I came to understand - that the paid members don't waste time in forums. They pay, they do their work, and they go. No forums - No Drama. Along the same lines they paid to get away from the bullshit and the noobs. Sick of dealing with mass requests from thumblogger and other free hosts.


I told McLaren not to come here but he obviously didn't listen. And the idea that we are the same person is 500% RETARDED! We don't even live in the same state. But we can no sooner prove that than you can prove otherwise. "OMG ITS BOND IT DISGUISE!!!!!" You guys are Seriously fuckin Paranoid but I understand why and that's why I left. From the time I entered the biz till the time I left - no one trusted anyone until they had run the obstacle course of bullshit.

The site design and the programming being the same. Do I really need to lead you to the answer on that?? You have a programmer - and I'll bet his sites look pretty much the same.

And you've got SOME NERVE With your list of site faults in everess When according to your own users - you can't even match the search that was made on thunder-ball OVER 5 YEARS AGO!! Aside from the logo which I do like Your Site LOOKS - LIKE ASS.

It's An ABSOLUTE INSULT TO THE PROGRAMMINGN WORLD. Which is why our original programmer decided to hop into the everess project. And if your site is so DAMN GOOD You've got nothing to worry about. But you did get the Thumbs Down when you ran your poll about paid membership - Need I say more?


And for all you guys patting doughs and each other on the back for his and other posts. Keep going, it's looking like a circle-jerk cuz you can count the amount of people on 1 hand and a few toes.


1 final thing to prove the filth of similar accusations , I was reading maybe a month ago about Tawnee Stone possibly dead and people were UNLOADING on Steve(LightSpeed)!!! Saying it's a fake and a fraud and a publicity stunt.

Steve was way bigger and better than I ever would have been and with people throwing shit like that at him its no surprise when you TROLLS come after us.

That is off Tread PROOF of the bullshit.
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Wow man welcome back indeed. You said it yourself right there, of COURSE the sites look the same and have the same feel, they are the same site by the same man. Saying I'd recognize the style/programming anywhere is/was a compliment and despite what Everess said earlier, it was clearly built by you.

Why the big charade about it being brand new and 100% original, and coded from scratch.

The 'new' script is as new as the 'new owner'. It's one in the same as before.

I truly wish the site was BANGING and cutting edge, I wish it was as active as when I first saw it 4 years ago. You know how it was, I know how it was, I stated it many times how badass it was on these very boards. If you are building/running Everess I wish you the best of luck and welcome the competition it will bring. The constant misleading surely won't help that progress though, I mean circles are being talked in here and nothing makes sense.

I see that you're shocked I responded like I did and was so critical and you weren't picking on me, it was MY site and my sites construction and function that were criticized in this very thread many times by you before I posted, I did not start this game and had to eventually respond. You and "Everess" felt the need to toss my name around in this thread for some reason, how long can you expect me to not say something?

I was one of your most VOCAL supporters when things were good at t-ball, then when they were bad, I still was one of the most vocal supporters. Now you think you can rub my nose in shit, and have me sit quiet and eat it up?

No you're not 'coming back to this fucking industry' as you put it, you are going to do it mainstream, adult was where the initial userbase comes from, from the existing t-ball users still logging into check trades every couple days. In 2-3 weeks the script will be ready on the .com, and you'll bump users to it and 'release', and abandon the adult end like you did last time.

Good luck on the new site and I do wish the site best. I personally would love to have another site worth using for my link trades and as I said above, I'd still pay for paid features if there were any I just don't see it unfolding that way, and not based on past history, but based on this very thread and the things stated. The site isn't even live yet 100% and nobody is sure what to believe.

I am done in this thread, I'm not interested in arguing or pissing on each others pant legs, but could only read/hear so much about the thread without finally saying something, despite the smart side of my brain telling me to shut the fuck up and ignore it. Which is what I intend to do now.