Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17847199)

You may not be that bad of a guy but if you represent a company which is helping to destroy much of the industry you should expect many of us to give you some hell every now and then.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17847133)

OK, but I don't think NATS had the same success has Microsoft of Facebook. Did they? :upsidedow




Will76, totally off topic... do you know what year/month NATS had that big security breach?

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847198)

Then again, thousands of people work with us every day... I just can not imagine we lose out on so many as you seem to think...

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17847156)

He looks like a dirty Arab, who is it?

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17847208)

A thread was posted here on GFY a few days ago asking about Brazzers conversions. I recall over a dozen people replied that they had bad conversions with you. You tend not to have a very good reputation with affiliates even without factoring in the piracy. My theory is that the bad reputation with affiliates probably in part pushed you to invest in tubes in the first place.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17847046)

Ok "managing partner" errr front guy. I took the 5 mins to use GFY search. This is what I found:

Nathan/Fabian leaves Too Much Media / NATS 12-8-2006

So what, you got 1/3 of a share and bought out then released an affiliate program on 2-27-2007 Nathan (formerly with TMM/NATS) releases new Amateur Flash Portal!

To 7-16-2010 Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

So you want people to believe you went from being a part owner (1/3) of Nats that ended in Dec 2006 to starting your own affiliate program in 2007 to just 3 years later buying 100 million dollar companies.... and that you are not just a front man... :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17847208)

I also think you kept your ownership of Webcams.com quiet for as long as you did in part due to that reputation.

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847214)

I did not keep it quite, webcams.com was not managed by Manwin Canada at first, it is currently being transitioned to the Manwin Canada team...

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17846280)

If manwin comes to own GFY one way or the other, would you continue to post here ?

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17847167)

Fabulous Fabian has said in his own words he delegates to only 2 people: CEO Manwin North America and CEO Manwin Europe. You think those execs need a "front man" to claim that they are underlings?

And Ms Crash I think you just showed that this discussion is a little above your pay grade hun don't you have bread baking?

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847219)

will76, the great thing about all of this is, I have no need to prove anything to you, I have no need to show you how I made my money... revealing too many secrets of how certain transactions work, is also counter-productive for me...

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 11978418)

I'm proud to finally release my new project to everyone on GFY!

ForAmateursOnly

My biz partner in europe and I have been testing the system for the past few months and the initial results are great! Together with Duke from DukeDollars we have now deceided that the correct next step is to release it in the US for an open beta!

Duke has always been a great friend of mine since the early days of NATS, and really understands how the business works, so I asked him if he would like to step on board as a partner in this venture. We are all excited to see months of hard work finally come to fruition. We are sure ForAmateursOnly will make everyone who promotes it satisfied beyond their expectations.

The site's idea is easy but effective. REAL AMATEURS (girls, guys and couples) register with us and upload their own content to our site. Surfers buy that content set by set and our amateurs get a percentage of what they spend. This results in more extreme and higher quality content compared to other amateur sites.

The site is totally Web 2.0, with RSS feeds for every single page, tags and streaming FLASH video! We are currently finishing our special video player which will allow surfers to download the videos.

Paying up to 35%! (with rebill rates similar to livecam sites!)
5% Webmaster Referral
5% AMATEUR REFERRAL

Our system is SKINABLE! So we can customize it to your own design if wanted!

On top of simple skins we can setup a portal you can integrate in your own partnership program! Instant new site for your resellers to promote and you make extra $$ without any expenses!

We are currently offering RSS Feeds, Dynamic HTML Content IFrames, and a XML Data dump to use for promotions of our site.
Banners, Geo-Targeted Banners, Geo-Targeted Text Links and of course FHGs specially created by our amateurs will follow soon!

You can find our partnership program at http://faocash.com

Any questions, contact me on ICQ 1889711 or Skype fthylmann.

Feedback is always welcome!

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847251)

slutboat, you crack me up :)

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17847083)

While forums are a serious issue, the others are not.

A torrent user is a certain type of user, you're not going to convert those guys. They don't pay for anything.




Fucking Christ, here we go again. I will say this one last time because I like you.

1) I was under contract with them BEFORE anything bad about them ever came out. I had no idea what they were doing or what was about to happen.

2) I said all along that I did not have a problem with cross sales so long as they were somewhere visible on the page. Just the same as I don't have a problem with fine print when you sign any other contract. If you refuse to read it, that is your problem. Not mine.

3) I also said all along that until I see the wrong doing with my own eyes, I would not follow the mob without proof.

4) I used my OWN credit card THREE TIMES and TWO MORE TIMES with a card not in my name and guess what... to date NOT A SINGLE CHARGE other than the original sign up charge.

5) During the time of my contract, towards the end of it, I did find out about them doing other shady things and it has nothing to do with anything you think it does. Then as soon as my contract was up, I would not renew it and DMCA'd the entire site I had with them and to date it is still offline. I severed all ties and to date have not spoken to any of them.

6) As I said, I do not follow a mob. I am not a lemming. I am my own man who makes my own decisions based on FACTS. Not hearsay, not mob rule, not on what will make me popular, but on real facts that I see for myself. Until I saw what I needed to see, I had no choice but to think otherwise. I know some companies who will set out to destroy others in this very manner, by bad PR. I'm not falling for that and it is a shame so many of you do.

7) Still, where is the proof of a card being banged and prove to me it was banged and they didn't just miss a cross sale. Prove it. I said it back then and NOT ONE PERSON did it, and that was to screen record the entire sign up and cancel process for everyone to see. Record it all. Then when extra charges came, everyone could see it who's fault it was. Did anyone do it? No. They just cried and said their card was banged. Yet mine never was, and I'd love to sit here right now and tell you they banged the hell out of it, but I can't. So you have to wonder about those who joined and those making posts and what their motive was. "Proof" is not a credit card statement. Proof would have been a recorded sign up and cancel. No one ever did it, even after I begged them to do it so they could show me that I was in the wrong. Why do you think that is?

8) Glenn is still part of I$, don't let anyone tell you different. The dumb fucks never terminated my sever account with them and until just recently I had access to EVERYTHING they were working on and Glenn still had to approve everything while in Colombia. They have a folder just for him and everything goes through it along with notes and everything else. You would not believe the shit they kept on their servers. Idiots.

9) I've done deals with shady people before and I'm sure I will again. Everyone has. It's impossible to work in this business and not deal with someone shady at some point. Shit runs downhill and EVERYONE is connected to dirt bags and is doing business with them in one way or another.

So please, go fuck yourself. You have no idea what the circumstances were. And to date, I still have never been banged by them. :2 cents: But if you dumb asses could have see past those god forsaken cross sales so many of you lost sleep over, you may have stumbled onto something much, much worse. But the mob can never see past the first idiot leading the group, so I guess I can't blame any of you for being short sided.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I did some content deals with people who ended up later on being crooks while I bust Manwin's balls for stealing my content and profiting from it? :1orglaugh So be it. A hypocrite I am then. That's a hell of a lot better than a lemming and not being able to find out the truth on my own.

You know... you could all mob up in typical idiot GFY fashion and blame all of the tubes and everything else shitty on me. You could base it all on things I said about I$ in the past. I would expect nothing less from you ass hats.

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847187)

DWB, this is another thing I do not get... even if you do not believe that I am really in charge, why would you keep discrediting yourself and claiming I am not, calling me a liar and basically making sure that I will never ever respect you because of the crap you write...

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17847275)

Yes I would still post here, just like all you guys saying they won't.

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17847334)

You seemed to skip over the obvious, they failed to pay dozens of affiliates and ignored any email complaints, not after, but while you were under contract with them. After more than 20 threads about this, all we kept hearing from you and Robbie was, "hey, they are paying me", must be a problem with you guys.

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17847334)

Who knows for sure on the card banging allegations, your test was worthless as it seemed it all came to a quick halt once they were first accused. The soloconverts charges that mysteriously started appearing on people's cards were not part of the original cross sales and it made more sense once it was revealed I$ was in bed with them.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17847365)

Yea man, I was getting paid. So were other I$ affiliates I knew, and I know this for fact because I asked around when those accusations started to fly. If someone doesn't get paid for any number of reasons, but many other affiliates are, I can only assume there is a problem with that affiliate. Not unheard of in this business, especially with PPS. Don't know what else I can say about that. That was none of my business and I can only say now what I said then, that I was usually paid on time.

Furthermore, I was under a contract to them DURING the chaos, but signed it way before anything came to light. What did you want me to do, be in breach of contract with them over unknown webmasters claiming they've been scammed, yet not one of them could prove it?

I don't know what people expected me to do. That wasn't my company and I had zero say in anything. I spoke my mind on the board about what I saw and what I didn't, and in the end I ended up being wrong about some of the things I said, and that was the end of that.





lazycash, that rabbit hole runs deep. Very deep, and it's not as cut and dry as everyone wants it to be. I$, SoloConverts, SOBV and a lot of others all had/have common and very intertwined threads.

My tests with them were at different times and during the height of the accusations. But like I said, they were shady for sure, but I was never dinged on any card I used to test them. Believe me, I would LOVE to tell you otherwise.

In the end they fucked most everyone, made off with a ton of cash and are still in business with plenty of webmasters STILL sending them traffic even though they are not getting paid for their sales. JJ from SOBV did the same thing. It's a numbers game to them and they got away with huge amounts of money and no one will ever do anything about it, other than sulk.

Your traffic was skimmed, your sales were shaved and your money was stolen. That's porn. :Oh crap

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17846574)

maybe cams or dating,

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847206)

I do not mind any of that, the only thing I object to is that we "destroy much of the industry" ... but oh well, we'll see how that goes over the next 5 years I guess, we really should discuss all this again in a few years...

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847246)

will76, or giving details would break confidentiality agreements about detailed deal terms which I can not break...

will76, anyone today can still do what I did, you just need to know how...

There is plenty of things that I would still love to buy that I can not right now... my funds are not limitless, if they came from stuff like the russian mob, I would be buying much much more.. the russian mob has a LOT of cash...

Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 17847306)

Will76

I think you forgot he probably was around when porngraph ripped off millions.

So he probably made a ton then, if he was 1/3rd owner he might have made 15-20mil from that alone and possibly another 5-10 from nats? Still doesn't account for 100mil but it's closer to 50%.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17847275)

Yes I would still post here, just like all you guys saying they won't.

Originally Posted by ThumbLord (Post 17847433)

As long as you make money through this board you will stay and use it as usual.
On the other hand if you come here only for entertainment there are other boards.
Maybe 5 to 10 people maximum, will actually "leave" this board.
Although I hate everything Manwin does to this Industry and if they will be the new owners I will keep on visiting this board.
And so will YOU.
I am glad I have my own little board to worry about. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17847240)

Fabe hunni don't get mad at DWB and the other petty detractors of your greatness. They just aren't used to decorum in the presence of power.

Fly above the fray sweetie and don't ever let it show that the scurrilous gossip hounds can ruffle your feathers.

Now relax becuse Slutboat is here to help you with PR and keep you from going down that awful road of snipe and tit for tat that all of us are so guilty of. All I ask is that you please buy this raggety shithole of a website and let ol Slutboat ban the Demon and a few other conservative lunatics...if you can do this for me darling I promise to give you a nice warm goat milk enema tonight that you like so much.

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17847167)

Fabulous Fabian has said in his own words he delegates to only 2 people: CEO Manwin North America and CEO Manwin Europe. You think those execs need a "front man" to claim that they are underlings?

And Ms Crash I think you just showed that this discussion is a little above your pay grade hun don't you have bread baking?

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847068)

theking,

there is no benefit of me stating anything more than I am already stating... The term "Managing Partner" comes as a lose translation of "Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter" which is a german term for a company owner that is also managing the day to day of the company. Because there are plenty of people that own a company and employ a CEO. (As I do for Manwin Canada and my european business). That people somehow associate with the term "Managing Partner" that there must be other "non-managing" partners to me is just funny and shows how little people know about true business. I am not going to change my title just because someone on GFY builds a conspiracy theory around it...

Regarding the money comments, I am not here to teach anyone how to invest and make money. People need to learn how deals like this work.

Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17847128)

http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img...14/93316_1.jpg
this guy cracks me up

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17847156)

He looks like a dirty Arab, who is it?

Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17847209)

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Data/...7/54525357.jpg

I just thought the picture was funny, like this one too.

Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 17847416)

Wait a second. You have to have 150 million upfront cash to buy a 150 million dollar company? Interesting

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17847046)

Ok "managing partner" errr front guy. I took the 5 mins to use GFY search. This is what I found:

Nathan/Fabian leaves Too Much Media / NATS 12-8-2006

So what, you got 1/3 of a share and bought out then released an affiliate program on 2-27-2007 Nathan (formerly with TMM/NATS) releases new Amateur Flash Portal!

To 7-16-2010 Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

So you want people to believe you went from being a part owner (1/3) of Nats that ended in Dec 2006 to starting your own affiliate program in 2007 to just 3 years later buying 100 million dollar companies.... and that you are not just a front man... :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846860)

Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

My bad.
:upsidedow

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 17847648)

Oh look! Bjorn Daniel Sundin...so what could these two internet criminals possibly have to do with a thread about Manwin and Fabian Thylmann? :winkwink:

ADG

Originally Posted by KillerK (Post 17847306)

Will76

I think you forgot he probably was around when porngraph ripped off millions.

So he probably made a ton then, if he was 1/3rd owner he might have made 15-20mil from that alone and possibly another 5-10 from nats? Still doesn't account for 100mil but it's closer to 50%.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 17847648)

Oh look! Bjorn Daniel Sundin...so what could these two internet criminals possibly have to do with a thread about Manwin and Fabian Thylmann? :winkwink:

ADG

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846914)

One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847187)

DWB, this is another thing I do not get... even if you do not believe that I am really in charge, why would you keep discrediting yourself and claiming I am not, calling me a liar and basically making sure that I will never ever respect you because of the crap you write... Why would you not at least try to see if I am actually in charge and use it to your benefit? Even if there is just a 1% chance in your eyes, it still seems much more beneficial to you to use that than to completely making a fool out of yourself...

Anyway, I do not know where the rule is that states that a business owner of the size of my business is not allowed to have fun on GFY and why anyone thinks they can judge what I am supposed to do or not...

You guys do not know me, if any of you commenting this way would, I would maybe accept, but considering that the people posting the crap here do not know me at all and do not even want to try to find out how I am personally.. well.. makes me sad in a way...

Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17847721)

I just google that man Bjornie and saw this for 100 million billion dollars. :xomunch

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05..._scam_charges/

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17847642)

Someone hit on it earlier in this thread ... even if Fabian were only a front man as many claim, such a position comes with huge perks.

I therefore nominate myself to be the front man's front man. Wouldn't I then get half as many perks as he does?

Originally Posted by Dodododa (Post 17847694)

He sold his one third share of a multimillion dollar company, then started a tube network which attracted over 8 million users per day. Why is it hard to believe that he could raise that much capitol?

Why would someone with millions of dollars already get in bed with the mafia? It doesn't take that much money to start a tube site. He just built it at the right time, he was one of the first to build an easy way to rip content.

Originally Posted by garce (Post 17847537)

This discussion is above all of our pay grades, Smithers. Its as far out of your league as it is out of mine and ShellyCrash's.

You have your tongue so far up Nathan's ass that you must be thankful you're communicating through a keyboard. Otherwise, the only sounds you'd be able to vocalize right now are "numa numa numa" and "yum yum yum" as your tongue wriggles around deep inside that tasty bunghole.

Must be humiliating tongue fucking another man while he's trying to watch TV with his kids, btw.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17847275)

Yes I would still post here, just like all you guys saying they won't.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17847534)

you are one of the biggest idiots on here.

I think this picture sums up your post pretty well.


http://gaysucking.xlogz.com/files/20...OB_SQUAD-8.jpg