Some advice on designs, 2 samples inside

[DebsDeep]

We are contemplating a new, simpler design for debsdeepthroat.com

Seems we have kind of lost our way and are thinking of going with something the affiliates would like better

Take a look and let me know which you think would convert better

here is the current design http://www.debsdeepthroat.com

And here is what we think may convert better?

http://www.debsdeepthroat.com/newsite
to me the new one seems more clean, leakproof and looks as if it would convert better but hey, doesn't hurt to get some other opinions
Lemme know
Thanks in advance

[Broda]

None of them. But if any, #2.

[Domain Broker]

they're all so ugly and old looking

[ottopottomouse]

The blue looks a bit home made and dated.

Not keen on the bright blue background either after spending 2 days this week trying to sort out a fucked computer.

[DebsDeep]

I know they are amateur designs, Gotcha, I am an amateur

I am thinking design 2 also
Thanks for the input

[Bhunter]

The sencond looks like it's from 1998

I wouldn't send traffic to any of the tours.

here is my advise... stop wasting your precious time and hire a skilled designer.

[DebsDeep]

Originally Posted by Bhunter

The sencond looks like it's from 1998

I wouldn't send traffic to any of the tours.

here is my advise... stop wasting your precious time and hire a skilled designer.

hmmmm
ya maybe

Show me some samples of good designs, and what makes them good

[Si]

The second but looks outdated.

Hit up JD and get yourself a decent fucking tour made

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[DebsDeep]

ok who is JD?

[Bhunter]

Originally Posted by euphoriacash

hmmmm
ya maybe

Show me some samples of good designs, and what makes them good

2900+ examples on solo model sites
http://www.thebestporn.com/categorie...els/all_sites/

[DebsDeep]

gotcha........................

[mmcfadden]

2nd looks like a clip for sale store... scratch is my recommendation.

1st could use the skills of a good designer to whip it into shape

[Serge Litehead]

why not make multiple tours and have your affiliates test whichever one works best for them?

[_Richard_]

i like the idea you have for the outdated look, but i'm not sure you want to be implying 'old' to an amateur solo site

[Sid70]

Blue one is really old. doesnt look legit if u ask me even. Darkish looks better but it doesnt have much of deep throating pics unless u mean your bubble making talent by that Use more cock in your mouth pics!

[Bhunter]

also do something to improve your promo content to attract affiliates and improve sales

see this gall
http://www.debsdeepthroat.com/webmas....com/main.html

looks like 14 dupes.. and very blurry too..
http://www.debsdeepthroat.com/webmas...llery30/04.JPG

I can't believe you're since 2003 here and show how much you have to learn..

[digitaldivas]

omg yes with the pics! they absolutely cannot be blurry. just don't use them if they are. that is obviously one of the first things a surfer notices.

[DebsDeep]

ok thank you.....
Maybe I will offer a couple different tours....

[Raf1]

I think you really would be better off hiring a designer

[sojproductions]

get a designer in, i'm sure you have stacks of content but thats not obvious, not enough update material in the tour to view that I could see, you need an archive of some sort and also don't alienate certain ages - 'this milf loves younger cock' could be a turnoff to older guys who may be (i'm guessing) your main audience.

a good designer will be able to iron those things out for you.

[VladS]

I would hire a designer, but at the end of the day, sales matters. If this sales for you, keep 'em. I would hire a designer anyway though. G'luck.

[mineistaken]

is that times new roman I see? Use arial instead

[cardinalvices]

I like design #1, since it has more appeal. Second design won't hurt either. Can you keep them both? NATS has an option for several tours on one paysite.

[DebsDeep]

I can keep both designs without a problem, then affiliates can choose which they feel witll convert best, its tough trying to make a design that surfers like and affiliates will promote, I will need to tweek each one untill its appealing to both surfers and affiliates.

Then We will move on to our other sites
http://www.cynicalangel.comis next
now she has amazing content but again its not "shown" well enough

I have affiliates now that are doing well with the designs we have, but why not buff them up

[v4 media]

Originally Posted by euphoriacash

I can keep both designs without a problem, then affiliates can choose which they feel witll convert best, its tough trying to make a design that surfers like and affiliates will promote, I will need to tweek each one untill its appealing to both surfers and affiliates.

Then We will move on to our other sites
http://www.cynicalangel.comis next
now she has amazing content but again its not "shown" well enough

I have affiliates now that are doing well with the designs we have, but why not buff them up

That site refreshes to the Spanish tour that doesn't exist.. so a 404.

[DebsDeep]

thats wierd but its fixed

[pussyluver]

Wait for CS5 to be released. It's been around in beta... Then hire a designer. If you're gonna do it in house, checkout OnOne plugins for photoshop. They will have the CS5 versions out in June I suspect. This could add the punch I think affiliates are looking for.

Just my two cents....

[pussyluver]

Cain't wait for June - PhotoFrame 4.5 is onsale for CS4 now.

[ruff]

There is some real consideration when designing real amateur sites. A lot of the solo girl sites similar to yours, deliberately look amateur. I design mine that way as well, not that I am a great designer, but it works. While getting a professional design is nice, take a look at all the pro sites out there, they're so similar that you run the danger of being perceived as a pro site. That could work against you. You might freshen up your sites and improve the quality of photos and videos. Some of the top solo girls around for years still have that basic site look. They keep it because it sells.

[pussyluver]

Originally Posted by ruff

There is some real consideration when designing real amateur sites. A lot of the solo girl sites similar to yours, deliberately look amateur. I design mine that way as well, not that I am a great designer, but it works. While getting a professional design is nice, take a look at all the pro sites out there, they're so similar that you run the danger of being perceived as a pro site. That could work against you. You might freshen up your sites and improve the quality of photos and videos. Some of the top solo girls around for years still have that basic site look. They keep it because it sells.

I'd say point well made.

[seeandsee]

try that fresh

[RBC]

№2 is ok for amateur site

[alexchechs]

If you could "dress up" number 2 you might have more luck because you have more potential for SEO traffic.

[DebsDeep]

So where is the line between being amateur being amateur but looking good enoug to attract affiliates but yet keepo it all amateur




(that was tough)

[DamianJ]

What a few strangers who may or may not be qualified to give an opinion tell you is as good as useless.

Put up two versions and test using google website optimiser. It's free. See which works best and use that. Then, do another test, and another and another.

A tour is NEVER 'finished'. You can ALWAYS increase conversion. Biggger pics, smaller pics, more text, less text, etc etc etc.

IMHO.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by euphoriacash

So where is the line between being amateur being amateur but looking good enoug to attract affiliates but yet keepo it all amateur




(that was tough)

Originally Posted by DamianJ

What a few strangers who may or may not be qualified to give an opinion tell you is as good as useless.

Put up two versions and test using google website optimiser. It's free. See which works best and use that. Then, do another test, and another and another.

A tour is NEVER 'finished'. You can ALWAYS increase conversion. Biggger pics, smaller pics, more text, less text, etc etc etc.

IMHO.

I agree with DamianJ. Also check his sig for his Adult Marketing site, which I just discovered. Some excellent ideas there.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

What a few strangers who may or may not be qualified to give an opinion tell you is as good as useless.

Put up two versions and test using google website optimiser. It's free. See which works best and use that. Then, do another test, and another and another.

A tour is NEVER 'finished'. You can ALWAYS increase conversion. Biggger pics, smaller pics, more text, less text, etc etc etc.

IMHO.

i dont fully agree, if you are not doing something right from the start you will never know from the beginning if it is your tour why you are not selling something.

a bad tour cant sell a good product, but a good tour can sell a bad product.

[Amputate Your Head]

I wouldn't recommend using either of those as is.
You're more on track with the right approach (sort of) with the 2nd newer (blue) one, but it's really rough. Needs a lotta love.

As others have mentioned already, you should hire a professional designer.

[DebsDeep]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

What a few strangers who may or may not be qualified to give an opinion tell you is as good as useless.

Put up two versions and test using google website optimiser. It's free. See which works best and use that. Then, do another test, and another and another.

A tour is NEVER 'finished'. You can ALWAYS increase conversion. Biggger pics, smaller pics, more text, less text, etc etc etc.

IMHO.

Ok thats good advice, thank you.
All our sites are getting a remake including members areas webmaster content...etc...
We figured we would take some time and get some advice on what way to go

I am thinking a good amateur design with hi rez content would do the trick, I dont want to look like every other pro site as someone said....

Good content that shows its value is our route...Thanks

[BarryP]

DamianJ made a good suggestion, but sometime success means attracting affiliates. A design could convert 4x that of another, but if it can't get traffic then it's worthless. This can only be remedied by developed trust with affiliates or slowly gaining traction with affiliates over time. I would run multiple tours and give webmasters the option. If you do find that your amateur tour is converting better, you can then suggest the amateur tour to webmasters that are already sending traffic.

Also, when looking at your conversions, make sure you are looking at your traffic sources in detail. You will begin to spot which tour will work best for each traffic source based on the traffic it attracts.



Hope it helps... Take care!

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Adultmix

Blue one is really old. doesnt look legit if u ask me even. Darkish looks better but it doesnt have much of deep throating pics unless u mean your bubble making talent by that Use more cock in your mouth pics!

Give this guy $500 and it will be the best $500 you ever spend in this business. Trust me.

Spend the fucking money and you will see see more money coming in with something like these over what you have now.

http://adultmix.biz/paysites/bustycass/
http://adultmix.biz/paysites/pmp/
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/swe...zan/page1.html
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/wivesandmilfs/
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/hotchickslovedicks/

[Verbal]

Go with what works for you and trust your conversions. I've seen perfectly good money-makers ruined with a polished design.

[JD]

I'm JD and you should hire me like Si said :D

[DebsDeep]

See thats the thing....We wants affiliates, therefor we need a design that affiliates feel will convert, yet at the same time we have to keep an amateur look without a pro design pro meaning looking like evry other site thats not amateur trying to be amateur...

There must be away to be a real amateur but show it in a way that affiliates will send traffic to....

We have an idea, we will finish it and show it to yas

I really do appreciate all this advice

[Broda]

Originally Posted by euphoriacash

See thats the thing....We wants affiliates, therefor we need a design that affiliates feel will convert, yet at the same time we have to keep an amateur look without a pro design pro meaning looking like evry other site thats not amateur trying to be amateur...

There must be away to be a real amateur but show it in a way that affiliates will send traffic to....

We have an idea, we will finish it and show it to yas

I really do appreciate all this advice

A thing to consider is that there's a big difference between a site being amateurishly made and, made to market the amateur niche.
I think you've gotten some good advice in here. And if I recall correctly, you've gotten the exact same advice multiple times over the years when you've asked for feedback on the same thing.
If what you have now works for you, don't change it. If you want something to attract webmasters to promote your sites, stop and think for a bit and consider why that hasn't happened yet - and then act accordingly.

[sortie]

A designer is worth the money for what you are doing.

If your money is short then just get a good "header" made for now.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Give this guy $500 and it will be the best $500 you ever spend in this business. Trust me.

Spend the fucking money and you will see see more money coming in with something like these over what you have now.

http://adultmix.biz/paysites/bustycass/
http://adultmix.biz/paysites/pmp/
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/swe...zan/page1.html
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/wivesandmilfs/
http://www.adultmix.biz/paysites/hotchickslovedicks/

thanks for sending so much love to me in this thread
And on a serious note, aside all the comments, polite and hateful.
This site just needs redesign, those you did is not good.

[candyflip]

Check the OPs posts going back a few years. They are always here asking for ideas and help and the one thing they're told every time is to hire a real designer, but here we are years later and that still hasn't been done.

The one time you did take the advice of GFY you stayed in business instead of closing up shop and that ended up working out for you quite nicely, if I do remember correctly.

You can hire a professional designer and still have an amateur looking site. Your lack of design skill is not what constitutes "amateur".

Seriously, spend the money for one and you will see the results immediately. As many have pointed out, you want new affiliates and people don't want to send traffic to the tours you have.

[selena]

Originally Posted by euphoriacash

See thats the thing....We wants affiliates, therefor we need a design that affiliates feel will convert, yet at the same time we have to keep an amateur look without a pro design pro meaning looking like evry other site thats not amateur trying to be amateur...

There must be away to be a real amateur but show it in a way that affiliates will send traffic to....

We have an idea, we will finish it and show it to yas

I really do appreciate all this advice

The original Raven Riley tour is still my all time favorite tour. It perfectly balanced the line between amateur and pro, in my opinion.

That said, I think that having good quality content/ad tools for your affiliates will help more than anything. Those pics in the fhg above are blurry. Not to mention the fact that there is really nothing about having a bunch of duplicate pics of a torso with a dildo that makes me want to click through. The fhg template itself is fine, imho. The images themselves need work, and lots of it.

As mentioned above, take a couple of versions of a tour, and run some A/B tests against it with your own traffic. When you seem to be getting good results, release that version to your affiliates. You can have many different options available so that affiliates can pick what best matches their traffic.

You can also offer a BYOT option, if that is possible with NATS. I don't have any experience on knowing if it is or not.

Edit: As an affiliate, I personally don't see anything wrong with the tour you are using now. It uses text to describe the updates with sample pictures. It is clean as well. The only thing I might change about it is adding some more model personality to it.

[Serge Litehead]

http://www.debsdeepthroat.com/newsite/main.html this is just basic layout, there is no design there.. if it sells - good, keep it.

personal opinion: whenever I land on sites that look end of 20th century, I leave them - they don't look authentic and don't offer much credibility. all that "design" says to me - either it was made for quick buck or by incompetent people.