Apple vs. Android: The view from Google - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 12-31-2010, 09:25 AM

The 'G' weighing in on the two, and technology....

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A pair of veteran high-tech luminaries, both hired by Google (GOOG) within the past 14 months, chose this week to write on their private blogs about how they see the Apple (AAPL) vs. Android competition shaping up in 2011.

What's interesting is that they disagree.

Former Microsoft (MSFT) start-up evangelist Don Dodge, who posted his predictions Monday, neatly summarizes the conventional wisdom. In the horse race between Android and iPhone, he writes, "Both will win because they are playing different games. Android will win the market share battle, but Apple will generate bigger profits."

"Apple develops and controls the hardware and software on all their devices," he writes in The Next Big Thing. "The Mac has never had more than 10% market share, but has been extremely profitable for Apple. Apple goes for the high end of the market where they can charge high prices and enjoy great profit margins. Apple has been successful with this strategy multiple times, and will do it again with iPhone.

"Google has a very different strategy with Android. Google provides software (Android) for free, and makes Google search, Google Voice, Gmail, Contacts, Maps, Places, and other services work seamlessly with Android. Mobile search and advertising are the revenue streams for Google. The advertising revenues are certainly lower versus selling hardware, but the profit margins are very good."

Tim Bray, who left Sun Microsystems (JAVAD) in February and joined Google in March, sees it differently. "I'm less convinced," he writes in a piece posted Thursday on his Ongoing blog.

"The iOS ecosystem is something like the Apple ecosystem of yore, but the App Store bouncer at the door is a huge, qualitative difference. And the Android ecosystem, at least in its hardware-agnosticism, recalls Windows, but Google's business goals are so different that trying for historical analogies seems really risky to me.

"Anyhow, what do I think? I think Apple will sell a ton of devices because they're good, and superbly marketed. I think a bunch of people will sell a ton of Android devices because they're good and there are so many options for different needs and networks and price-points.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Apple shipped a cheap iPhone. And there's nothing fundamental in Android that would get in the way of a industrial-design and user-experience rock-star team, whether at Google or one of the handset makers, testing the hypothesis that these things are central to Apple's success.

"Which is to say, it would be sort of surprising, but not that much, if this time next year, dirt-cheap iPhones were competing against Androids that push the user-experience lever farther than Apple or anyone else ever has. In that scenario, where are the prognosticators' towers of sand?"

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Juicy D. Links · 12-31-2010, 09:42 AM

I gotta go and check out some of these Android phones on other carriers ...

seeandsee · 12-31-2010, 09:45 AM

I am not impressed with some older HTC Android phones, maybe new one are better

bigmacandcheese · 12-31-2010, 09:46 AM

Having done development for both iPhone and Android I much prefer apple's iOS. The fragmentation on android due to all the different handsets and OS versions is a nightmare.

Paper_Amar · 12-31-2010, 12:59 PM

just got the mytouch 3g, after having a blackberry for years - LOVE IT so far

brandonstills · 12-31-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmacandcheese

Having done development for both iPhone and Android I much prefer apple's iOS. The fragmentation on android due to all the different handsets and OS versions is a nightmare.

Do you still have to do manual memory management in Objective-C if you develop for the iPhone? I took a look at that and said, are you f'ing kidding me? lol

The iOS API certainly looked better but having to deal with such low level is a pain. That and I hate XCode. It makes you use the mouse too much.

brandonstills · 12-31-2010, 01:31 PM

Apple seems to be following the exact same path as the earlier Macs and IBM PC clones. I expect the results to be the same as well.

Developers and vendors will be annoyed with Apple and do business with Android because it is an open platform. Apple will always have a niche but it will soon be a minority.

abshard · 12-31-2010, 02:25 PM

I just moved to tmobile and got the mytouch 4g its pretty nice

tiger · 12-31-2010, 06:18 PM

Have been saying this since the start it's exactly like Mac vs PC and the outcome will be the same. I still say if Apple had modified their strategy a bit they could have had the monster profits and the huge market share but its over now so it doesn't matter.

bronco67 · 12-31-2010, 07:45 PM

That article writer is so on the fence -- he is the fucking fence.

KillerK · 01-01-2011, 12:24 AM

When the iPhone hits Verizon. expect it to dominate

2012 · 01-01-2011, 05:06 AM

i just bought the glow n the dark case for iphone, I'm sorry to say Android doesn't seem to support this feature ...

djroof · 01-01-2011, 05:09 AM

I am on Android ;)

botfurom · 01-01-2011, 05:48 AM

I am on Apple

Chosen · 01-01-2011, 05:58 AM

I'm on Windows

SuzzyQ · 01-01-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

I am not impressed with some older HTC Android phones, maybe new one are better

Android users here.

Sid70 · 01-01-2011, 08:57 AM

With all respect to Android it loses to Iphone in usability.

just a punk · 01-01-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tiger

Have been saying this since the start it's exactly like Mac vs PC and the outcome will be the same.

Excuse me. What is Mac??? Is it some original hardware platform? No, it isn't. All Apple computers are clones of so-called IBM PC platform based on Intel architecture. So Mac is just another IBM PC brand like ASUS, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Sony etc.

jigg · 01-01-2011, 08:54 PM

I got a Vibrant and an HD7.
If the HD7 had a camera as good as the Vibrant's and if HTC didn't fuck the HD up, but made it as nice as the EVO is, I would've dumped the Vibrant and stayed with Windows Phone.

Touching Windows Phone converted me, I used to hate the whole WP7 interface and thought it was just lame and pointless until I played with it for a week. Facebook and Twitter on WP7 are great. Email on the platform is great, save for not having a unified inbox. Swype would have been nice to have but the keyboard is not that bad by itself. I'll be switching to a Windows Phone once Tmobile gets some better hardware

It really does make Android and iOS look a bit long in the tooth, especially Android

Peace · 01-01-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

That article writer is so on the fence -- he is the fucking fence.

Is this a real girl's body?

scubadiver626 · 01-01-2011, 10:32 PM

Samsung Epic seem to beat the pants off the iphone.
According to CNET.

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/...pic-4g-review/

2MuchMark · 01-01-2011, 11:24 PM

I recently upgraded from an iPhone 3G to 4G but not before trying a few other phones such as the HTC. Although I love all things google and think that Android is kick-ass, I still stayed with Apple and went for the iPhone4. The obvious reasons were : Nice screens, long battery life, etc etc. The main reasons were : My old phone worked perfectly despite having dropped it about 10 times, fast support from Apple on all of my Apple devices, super smart / super nice people at the Genius bar (Montreal), how well all my Apple devices talk to each other, etc etc.

I also love some of the cool apps: Traptster "Radar" detect (GPS + Live Speed Trap Database) + Bluetooh connectivity to my 2010 Camaro is a freaking high-tech dream.

The "It just works" tag line is true for Apple products.

bronco67 · 01-01-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace

Is this a real girl's body?

One of my CG characters for a project I've been working on.

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