Private forum for "illegal" matters ?? - GoFuckYourself.com

99bb · 01-16-2003, 03:45 AM

Hey there,

A post on another board got me thinking of whether there is in fact somewhere, where webmasters can discuss possible sites with illegal content etc.. without it being in the public domain ?

ie Is there a Forum which is password protected, that Webmasters can mention sites with possible "illegal" content so they can stop accepting galleries, trades etc.. without putting it on the public domain for all to see.

Of cause reporting the site to www.asacp.org/ is one thing, but getting this knowledge to other webmasters is a difficult matter.

This possible "forum" could be endorsed by the asacp to make it credible, and prove even more that we are doing our best not to unwittingly enhance this ever increasing problem.

I know the majority of forums remove threads with links etc.. to this sort of thing asap, but they cannot be monitored all the time. The last thing we want is our forums, which are so rich of knowledge ( well some anyway

) being implemented in this sort of issue.

Maybe there is such a thing, and also I am sure there are problems concerning security et al, but I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

jah

Socks · 01-16-2003, 03:50 AM

I think he just wants kiddy porn.

99bb · 01-16-2003, 04:06 AM

Man, its childish posts like that that give this Industry and forum a bad name.
Fuck all this, "if you cant take it, get outta here bullshit". This is a serious issue, and obviously you are not serious in seeing this Industry survive and prosper.

I posted here because this board has the largest user base, and some people that might be "in the know"

You are obviously not one of them.

Gutterboy · 01-16-2003, 04:09 AM

I hate people who want to hoarde all the good lolita art for themselves

chodadog · 01-16-2003, 04:11 AM

I think socks was making a good point in a rather blunt way. A site like that is going to attract peadophiles. Who determines who gets access to this sort of information? Isn't what you suggest actually illegal?

I'd stay the hell away from something like this if it ever came about.

The only people that should know about these sites are the people reporting them, and the relevant authorities. Definitely a bad idea.

cheekycherry · 01-16-2003, 04:13 AM

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I think he just wants kiddy porn

Sounds like it to me too. Perv.

99bb · 01-16-2003, 04:16 AM

Ok,

At least there was some input in whether this was a good or bad idea. Well done.
Dont you agree though, that there is a problem with this sort of information being in the public domain, when webmasters post links etc.. on message boards.

quiet · 01-16-2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by 99bb
Ok,

At least there was some input in whether this was a good or bad idea. Well done.
Dont you agree though, that there is a problem with this sort of information being in the public domain, when webmasters post links etc.. on message boards.

people are stupid. that's not going to change, so cp will continue to be posted on this and other boards.

chodadog · 01-16-2003, 04:20 AM

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Originally posted by 99bb
Ok,

At least there was some input in whether this was a good or bad idea. Well done.
Dont you agree though, that there is a problem with this sort of information being in the public domain, when webmasters post links etc.. on message boards.

Sure, it's a problem, but that doesn't mean providing a forum that is <i>far</i> too similar to a private underage pic trading site a good idea.

99bb · 01-16-2003, 04:21 AM

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people are stupid. that's not going to change, so cp will continue to be posted on this and other boards.

I agree. But it doesn't help us in the long run. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Difficult to solve.

99bb · 01-16-2003, 04:26 AM

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Sure, it's a problem, but that doesn't mean providing a forum that is far too similar to a private underage pic trading site a good idea.

I know. That is why in my original thread I said that it would be hard to do. I was hoping some of you guys would come up with something. The fact is, this issue needs to be raised, which it has been.
The fact that a forum is a bad idea means there must be another method.

chodadog · 01-16-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by 99bb

I know. That is why in my original thread I said that it would be hard to do. I was hoping some of you guys would come up with something. The fact is, this issue needs to be raised, which it has been.
The fact that a forum is a bad idea means there must be another method.

There are methods already in place. Reporting sites to the ASACP may seem a bit futile, but have you actually seen the statistics for the ASACP? They do a pretty damn good job of getting rid of these sites.

Report them to their providers, hosts, whatever. Fighting child porn will always be an ongoing battle in my opinion. The best anyone can do is by taking them one at a time. If you happy by one, report it, and as i said before, contact their bandwidht and hosting providers.

99bb · 01-16-2003, 04:39 AM

Choddadog,

I appreciate your post. I knew the idea of a forum would have problems, just wondered whether there was something else in place other than what you mentionned above.

Apologise about the rant after Socks' post. Looking back he had a point, just didn't say it in the way I'd of liked. A little too ambiguous for me.

Voodoo · 01-16-2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by 99bb
Choddadog,

I appreciate your post. I knew the idea of a forum would have problems, just wondered whether there was something else in place other than what you mentionned above.

Apologise about the rant after Socks' post. Looking back he had a point, just didn't say it in the way I'd of liked. A little too ambiguous for me.

GO AWAY PERVERT!

How exactly would you like him to say that you just want kiddy porn? Is it some freaky fetish you have?

You have to control how someone tells you that you are a fucking pervert?

Maybe go find a private message board somewhere and log yourself off.

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

OneHungLo · 01-16-2003, 04:42 AM

Yeah there would be major problems...too many Pete Townseds wanting to be the moderators of the board.

Gutterboy · 01-16-2003, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by Voodoo
Maybe go find a private message board somewhere and log yourself off.

You think he's serious?

Its all about the sig exposure

99bb · 01-16-2003, 05:16 AM

I've started something here, which I wish I hadn't. I'm a relatively new webmaster, but forgot that boards bring anonymity.

Even though this board is the biggest in terms of webmasters, it also must have its fair share of hangers on, sicko's etc.. Therefore the post probably justifies the response it is getting.

However, it reiterates the fact that we have to be careful when posting sites with illegal content etc.. on open forums.

Bring on the barrage of abuse. I probably deserve it. You live and learn, and when I have finished reading some of the posts, I would have learnt a fair bit about the people who live off this Industry.

And gutterboy, if any of you have any Movie or Asian Traffic, get in touch. Cheers for the prompt

jah

Socks · 01-16-2003, 09:17 AM

I'm no fly-by-nighter bro, check my site out. The whole second reason I started my site was to give the adult industry some recognition and earn some trust with the consumers again.

I have often thought of ways to combat child porn, I even went so far as to call the head of child porn department of Toronto's police, but he said it was very hard for anyone to help other than to report any findings. He mentioned that they are SWAMPED, they have 21 officers working full time, and only managed to bag around 45 people last year out of the 400+ reports they got in. He said they were only able to go after people with operations within Canada, but made an effort to use Interpol as well.

I think the best idea I've come up with is having a rogue group of hackers who quietly monitored and or shut down these sites. A nice log of the people's IP's who visit (and BROWSE) these sites might be helpful to the authorities. Simply deleting their files would also be good. The problem is that hackers are expensive, and I just don't know enough that have free time or are willing to risk themselves to help the greater good.

Still, I would like to see something like that happen

I appologize as well for my earlier post, I was just being uhm.. fecetious.

nike · 01-16-2003, 09:32 AM

there are plenty of boards which discuss this shit out there... trouble is there all in Russian.

goBigtime · 01-16-2003, 09:43 AM

Child pornography could be substantially reduced on the net if:

* Freehosts used better methods to automagically identify, (optional verify), terminate, ban & report offenders.

* Usenet providers would do the same, as well as dropping newsgroups that obviously cater to that sort of thing based on the group name. Having "full feeds" with erotica groups like *preteen and *young probably isn't the best interest of keeping CP off the net.

If those two things were done, I bet more than 50% of the child porn on the net would be done away with - or at least the speed at which it travels the net.

I wouldn't think child pornographers would be very interested in paying for hosting with a credit card... so these two "free" methods of hosting & data exchange come to mind.

I'm sure it exists on file sharing things like Kazaa, Bearshare or Gnutella.. but again, they would sort of lose their anonominity there.

heqdvd · 01-16-2003, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by Socks
I think he just wants kiddy porn.

Since this guy answered the same way here -

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=100397

we have doubts about him, the guilty always answer in such a way!

heqdvd · 01-16-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Socks

I think the best idea I've come up with is having a rogue group of hackers who quietly monitored and or shut down these sites

Sign me up...

see here as well for help -

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...38#post1257638

goBigtime · 01-16-2003, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by heqdvd

Since this guy answered the same way here -

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=100397

we have doubts about him, the guilty always answer in such a way!

Socks... he sort of made you pay there :P

Socks · 01-16-2003, 09:52 AM

hehehe..

I just wish he'd now tell my neighbours to stop throwing bricks at my house, y'know?

goBigtime · 01-16-2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Socks
hehehe.. I just wish he'd now tell my neighbours to stop throwing bricks at my house, y'know?

But yeah on this CP stuff.. there was a story on the news yesterday... the techie guy they were talking to who was some authoritative figure in the anti-CP world (looked a lot like dugmore, the dreads anyway. Anyone see this?).

Anyway, what they asked/suggested was that a lot of people who would normally be appalled by the idea of CP, are lured into checking it out by the tabooness of it & the high availablity of it -- the constant unsolicited spam, the evil TGP popups and stuff. These people would probably NEVER consider distributing it.. well, who knows. But you know what I'm saying.

So what you were saying about turning in viewers - thats good no doubt, but I think the bigger problem of course is the creators and distributors of the stuff.

If THOSE people were identified (by hackers

), turned in & imprisoned.. then of course CP would damn near screech to a halt. But of course that would require some police agency to be receptive of a situation like that and everything... very doubtful

The law just doesn't work like that - effectively.

01-16-2003, 03:45 AM	#1
99bb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 178	Private forum for "illegal" matters ?? Hey there, A post on another board got me thinking of whether there is in fact somewhere, where webmasters can discuss possible sites with illegal content etc.. without it being in the public domain ? ie Is there a Forum which is password protected, that Webmasters can mention sites with possible "illegal" content so they can stop accepting galleries, trades etc.. without putting it on the public domain for all to see. Of cause reporting the site to www.asacp.org/ is one thing, but getting this knowledge to other webmasters is a difficult matter. This possible "forum" could be endorsed by the asacp to make it credible, and prove even more that we are doing our best not to unwittingly enhance this ever increasing problem. I know the majority of forums remove threads with links etc.. to this sort of thing asap, but they cannot be monitored all the time. The last thing we want is our forums, which are so rich of knowledge ( well some anyway ) being implemented in this sort of issue. Maybe there is such a thing, and also I am sure there are problems concerning security et al, but I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter. jah __________________ Broadband Movie Site

01-16-2003, 04:06 AM	#3
99bb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 178	Man, its childish posts like that that give this Industry and forum a bad name. Fuck all this, "if you cant take it, get outta here bullshit". This is a serious issue, and obviously you are not serious in seeing this Industry survive and prosper. I posted here because this board has the largest user base, and some people that might be "in the know" You are obviously not one of them. __________________ Broadband Movie Site

01-16-2003, 04:16 AM	#7
99bb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 178	Ok, At least there was some input in whether this was a good or bad idea. Well done. Dont you agree though, that there is a problem with this sort of information being in the public domain, when webmasters post links etc.. on message boards. __________________ Broadband Movie Site

01-16-2003, 04:39 AM	#13
99bb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 178	Choddadog, I appreciate your post. I knew the idea of a forum would have problems, just wondered whether there was something else in place other than what you mentionned above. Apologise about the rant after Socks' post. Looking back he had a point, just didn't say it in the way I'd of liked. A little too ambiguous for me. __________________ Broadband Movie Site

01-16-2003, 05:16 AM	#17
99bb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 178	I've started something here, which I wish I hadn't. I'm a relatively new webmaster, but forgot that boards bring anonymity. Even though this board is the biggest in terms of webmasters, it also must have its fair share of hangers on, sicko's etc.. Therefore the post probably justifies the response it is getting. However, it reiterates the fact that we have to be careful when posting sites with illegal content etc.. on open forums. Bring on the barrage of abuse. I probably deserve it. You live and learn, and when I have finished reading some of the posts, I would have learnt a fair bit about the people who live off this Industry. And gutterboy, if any of you have any Movie or Asian Traffic, get in touch. Cheers for the prompt jah __________________ Broadband Movie Site

01-16-2003, 03:50 AM	#2
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I think he just wants kiddy porn.

01-16-2003, 04:09 AM	#4
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	I hate people who want to hoarde all the good lolita art for themselves

01-16-2003, 04:11 AM	#5
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I think socks was making a good point in a rather blunt way. A site like that is going to attract peadophiles. Who determines who gets access to this sort of information? Isn't what you suggest actually illegal? I'd stay the hell away from something like this if it ever came about. The only people that should know about these sites are the people reporting them, and the relevant authorities. Definitely a bad idea.

01-16-2003, 04:42 AM	#15
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Yeah there would be major problems...too many Pete Townseds wanting to be the moderators of the board.

01-16-2003, 09:17 AM	#18
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I'm no fly-by-nighter bro, check my site out. The whole second reason I started my site was to give the adult industry some recognition and earn some trust with the consumers again. I have often thought of ways to combat child porn, I even went so far as to call the head of child porn department of Toronto's police, but he said it was very hard for anyone to help other than to report any findings. He mentioned that they are SWAMPED, they have 21 officers working full time, and only managed to bag around 45 people last year out of the 400+ reports they got in. He said they were only able to go after people with operations within Canada, but made an effort to use Interpol as well. I think the best idea I've come up with is having a rogue group of hackers who quietly monitored and or shut down these sites. A nice log of the people's IP's who visit (and BROWSE) these sites might be helpful to the authorities. Simply deleting their files would also be good. The problem is that hackers are expensive, and I just don't know enough that have free time or are willing to risk themselves to help the greater good. Still, I would like to see something like that happen I appologize as well for my earlier post, I was just being uhm.. fecetious.

01-16-2003, 09:32 AM	#19
nike Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 189	there are plenty of boards which discuss this shit out there... trouble is there all in Russian.

01-16-2003, 09:43 AM	#20
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Child pornography could be substantially reduced on the net if: * Freehosts used better methods to automagically identify, (optional verify), terminate, ban & report offenders. * Usenet providers would do the same, as well as dropping newsgroups that obviously cater to that sort of thing based on the group name. Having "full feeds" with erotica groups like preteen and young probably isn't the best interest of keeping CP off the net. If those two things were done, I bet more than 50% of the child porn on the net would be done away with - or at least the speed at which it travels the net. I wouldn't think child pornographers would be very interested in paying for hosting with a credit card... so these two "free" methods of hosting & data exchange come to mind. I'm sure it exists on file sharing things like Kazaa, Bearshare or Gnutella.. but again, they would sort of lose their anonominity there. Last edited by goBigtime; 01-16-2003 at 09:49 AM..

01-16-2003, 09:52 AM	#24
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	hehehe.. I just wish he'd now tell my neighbours to stop throwing bricks at my house, y'know?