Argos88

So far I have seen AWEMPIRE with their shitty live jasmin on file sharing sites, image sharing sites to promote them... with complete sites rips pirating sites...

Also, DUKE DOLLARS, allows EXTREME-BOARD to promote them. They have a full banner on header on that illegal forum full of complete site rips from the whole business that ruin ratios on a daily basis...

Any other Fucking shitty sponsor that should be banned from this business FOR LIFE for allowing illegal sites to promote them ??

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Barefootsies

Money talks champ.

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ThumbLord

yep what The POWA of the Dark Side just mentioned.
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you are banned man i am sorry

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signupdamnit

And the industry is crashing hard and that money is becoming more scarce for 90% of the people here mostly because of it.

I think he only spoke the truth on this one. Much respect to him for saying what others never had the guts to say.

TheDoc

Well, not everyone can be sued....

And what about those sponsors that do this to keep their entire member areas from being ripped and put online, sources that other major pirate sites pull from as well, creating a huge rolling effect of piracy across the Internet?

It's not all black and white.

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signupdamnit

Bah, DUKE DOLLARS are scumbags with banners at the top of Extreme board. Ban me or sue me, I don't give a shit because it's the truth.

Coup

the answer to your question is "pretty much all of them"


deal with it.

Also I'd like to point out that your posting on a forum that accepted ad dollars from the likes of guba, and tube8

TeenCat

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signupdamnit

Thankfully that's not true.

DBS.US

They do it because nobody is going to do shit about it.

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Nice tip, thanks for sharing.

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Jakez

Honestly, why would you give a damn if an illegal site was sending you sales? Do stores not accept money from rappers even though many of them came up selling drugs?

If you have such a gripe with the adult industry why do you spend time posting here?

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d-null

there are a large number of webmasters and sponsors that respect content rights and run their sites without stealing other people's content, there are always other sponsors you can promote that convert, usually those guys that are all over the stolen content sites are way oversaturated anyways

even though you can't do much to stop them, at least don't send them any traffic, lots of sponsors to choose from out there

sicone

Some companies take different proactive steps to keeping their content off of pirate sites. Others do nothing about it except cry on GFY.

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You can't flunk, cheat or steal your way out of adult. It's impossible.

Chris Mallick could come back today (if he's not back already under a different biz name), partner with SOBV JJ, tell everyone they are going to fuck them, offer a high PPS or crazy promo, and 80% of you lemmings would waltz right back and sign up to whatever shit they are pandering.

"Good to see you back bro!"
"Great promo, hitting you up now!"
"See you in Vegas!"


That's how it works. A business by dick heads, for dick heads.

DWB

And there is the mentality of adult.

This is why when it's all said and done, .XXX will prevail and the business will ultimately be regulated by the government. We are simply unable and unwilling to regulate ourselves.

Because the bottom line is, Jakez is right. Why should you care where your sales come from? What sane company is going to turn down legit (non fraudulent) sales?

topsiteking

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Paul Markham

What shitty affiliates still send traffic to sites that support illegal sites?

If affiliates cut traffic to the shitty sponsors the shitty sponsors would think twice.

The Adult Internet has been shooting itself in the foot since day one. Looking to make a quick buck.

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TheDoc

DWB, it's impossible to regulate this business ourselves.... It's way to large, it's private and between forums and shows, probably less than 1% of the Industry has ever shown its face.

Anyway, .xxx isn't coming out and hasn't ever been a danger to our Industry even if it did come out - and the Gov will regulate us, like they have been doing for 40 years.

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99% of the Affiliates don't give a shit. Even on gfy, 99% of the people will promote the worst program if the program converts... and not all programs need Affiliates, thus they give even less of a shit.

The content our Industry producers is more damaging to our Industry than all the other bullshit combined together...as history has already proven.

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You're right. Imagine how different things might be today if 90% of affiliates cut out the scoundrels back in 2007 and sent the message that if you advertise on pirate forums or pirate tubes you won't have affiliates and everyone on the forums will call you a scumbag while you end up on two dozen public blacklists?

Many in the industry don't have any formal business education. That's not always necessary but many of these same people have don't have any consideration for long term consequences either. It's not just affiliates, it's also the owners and some of the reps who are baked on cocaine and act like a bunch of frat boys. Things aren't ran like a business, it's ran like some kind of cocaine induced party.

"$300 PPS, hit me up man."

"We buy pre checked hidden X-sales, hit me up bro"

"Check out the new landing pages, they convert at 1:3! Honest!"

"Buying prepaid spots at surfer forums contact [email protected]"

"Time to buy a list of 10 million surfer emails to send out some unsolicited spam which isn't even legal."

"Screw these affiliates sending us 500 honest hits a day, we do business with the Pirate fucking Bay!"

"Another month another PAR-TAY, who wants a drink bro?!"

"(hushed tone) You sale list of 10,000 surfer credit cards? Time to go banging, we be big pimpin' now!"



Come on. That's not honest business it's a fucking joke. Don't fool yourself. I really wish something would happen to get these clowns out of the industry and back into scamming little old ladies or something. We'd all be better off. And just because you have money doesn't mean you have any class or real business sense.

TheDoc

So you've never promoted a program on a bonus day, a higher payout, or something special? Amazing.... so just revshare, ccbill programs for you eh?

Of course this business isn't honest... what period in porn history did you think it was honest?

P.S. The majority of ALL business owners, do not have a formal business education.

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Going forward, correct, no promoting a program due to a temporary bonus.

The business may not entirely be honest in all areas but that doesn't mean everyone in the industry is or has to be a scumbag.

Don't be angry, it wasn't directed at you. To be honest I'm just having some frustrated laughs here.

TheDoc

I just find you guys funny...

Let me save you some lost money, most programs doing higher payouts or bonus days, never screw anyone over at any level.

I have nothing to be angry at, even if you directed at me. I'm just here to show the truth, that it's not all black and white and for damn sure... smaller programs will screw you and everyone else over just as fast as any big program.

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Just a side note... if a site follows dmca, it's not illegal. You may not like it, but it's still not illegal - the rest are untouchables with current laws.

No amount of bitching will change that and as time goes on, it WILL be more accepted - I would suggest everyone starts getting used to the idea today or you won't have any programs to promote in a few years.

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signupdamnit

I seriously doubt that. But I'm sure the ones doing it and the people dependent upon them for a living in some way don't like the idea of affiliates boycotting them. And just because something might be legal doesn't mean that it's not a scumbag thing to do.

Thanks for your concern but I think I know best who I want to promote and who I don't want to promote.

TheDoc

It's already happening, so I wouldn't doubt it too much. And we're all scumbags, depending on who you ask.

No amount of Affiliate boycotts will stop a program from doing anything... If you add all the affiliates on gfy, all forums and all shows together, they are a micro fraction of the overall size of our Industry. Without question, forums and shows do not mean dick when it comes to success in our Industry.


And why today, why not? Why not when programs mass spammed porn into hundreds of millions of inboxes - HOURLY, with children at home? Or when xsales were really hot and the real damage to our Industry was done?

Why not boycott the programs hit by the ftc, doj, etc and settled, when clearly they were doing something REALLY wrong?

This Industry has had 15 years online alone to boycott.... and not once has it happened.

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Yes, shows that adult industry is rotten from its roots. And then everybody wonder why the fuck ratios are getting worse every year. Yep mostly because more and more porn is stolen and available for free

signupdamnit

For selling paysites the ones advertising on pirate surfer forums and pirate tubes don't fit my business model. It is my belief that it simply makes no sense for me to do business with people who I perceive as destroying the industry. It's the same for the ones with their full scene content all over the tubes and rapidshare. The ones who don't send DMCAs. There's no point in trying to sell what's available for free. It's that simple.

Tell me that I'm small potatoes and that I should be grateful for a chance to work with scumbags all you'd like but I see things differently. I know there are plenty of honest sponsors out there with good sites and honest programs who appreciate what I send them. I'll work with them, thank you.

TheDoc

Your personal boycott ends with GFY, eh?

And personally, I don't care if you're big or small. We all have a few programs we select not to promote, for whatever reason, so don't promote them. But trying advocate that higher payouts/bonus days means a program isn't honest, is complete and utter bullshit - and it means you're losing a shit ton of 'honest' money.

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man, you are full of corny ass one liners "champ"

Agent 488

what is the program you promote?

signupdamnit

Not going to argue with you much further. I don't know why you're on about the PPS issue. I never said:

in this thread. You are inserting your own words and interpretations. The focus of the thread was on sponsors who support pirate sites. Beyond a little ribbing in this thread ( "$300 PPS, hit me up man." ) and answering your question I haven't mentioned promos. You seem to be the one obsessed with that.

And once again, I will determine my own criteria for selecting sponsors, thank you.

signupdamnit

Over 300 of them.

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You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

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Paul Markham

Quoted for the truth.

My post was because it's always laid at the sponsors doors. Without shitty affiliates sending traffic to shitty sites the shitty sites wouldn't exist.

If 90% of affiliates had a clue, this business would still be a pot of gold.

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TheDoc

I wasn't really arguing with you, just discussing the other side...

If you wish to get technical though, I first quoted you more because of your comment about the lack of business education... that direction is what drew in my focus. Simply put, you promote 300 programs, almost all have no business education. Then you make it appear as if, you can judge a program by the way it advertises or markets, less truly about what they are doing, and more on an opinion that the 300ish programs you select to promote aren't shady because you don't see it.


To answer your question... Those groups of statements you made are geared towards programs that almost always pay higher rates and you did say, "no promoting a program due to a temporary bonus."

On that... I just don't want to see a person lose money simply because they avoid a temporary bonus. Now if you avoid it on programs you choose not to promote that's understandable - if you avoid them all together because of the opinions expressed in this thread - you're losing a shit ton of money.

I'm not trying to give you advice - I'm simply telling you the way I see it.

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Sure, you clowns amuse me greatly. Yes, often you make me laugh. Totally, I think everyone is here for my enjoyment alone, I'm like that. Sometimes it's not funny, but this time it is a little funny. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best joke over - I would rate the threads funny a 4, but some of the replies are a 6, yours is an 6.

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TheDoc

That's a good point... and what a double edged sword.

If mass amounts of Affiliates, overall drive a base of the Industry - then it's safe to assume a fair percentage of them are scum and would promote scum too, driving that base of the Industry as well.

Question comes then... Would a bigger industry or a smaller industry benefit the overall Industry more? We can see which one is better for our back pockets.

Hypothetically, if we removed free porn/piracy, assume the Industry rebounded. It's almost a sure thing that we would see another huge spike in super fraud programs/people. So maybe a smaller, tougher, harder to make it Industry is overall better for the Industry... less attraction for the scum, thus they move off to easier targets, like apps.

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If you re-read the post you'll probably see I also stated there was nothing wrong with that in and of itself. The problem was those who also do not think in the long term at all and consequently tend to destroy the industry in doing so. Destroying the industry you are in generally isn't considered a good business practice.

How do you know I'm not right? What makes you think I don't see more than you think? If over the years I've evolved a system to not get screwed and have found that overall it tends to yield positive results then I would be a fool to not use it. I can't avoid all shady programs or see everything but if my criteria helps to avoid 90% of them then for me it's worth keeping.

You asked me a question and I answered it briefly. That's a far cry from saying all programs which offer promos are shady. I said no such thing in this thread. I don't promote programs on a temporary basis so a temporary promo means nothing to me. But I still promote many sponsors who offer promos from time to time. It's just that I don't promote them solely for the promo.

After years of experiences people tend to come to their own ways. One of mine is don't do business with scumbags if you can avoid it. Someone isn't necessarily a scumbag for offering $75 PPS but if they have their banner at the top of Extreme Board to me anyway it's a safe bet!

signupdamnit

I entirely agree with that. What I'm trying to do now is to be one of the ones with a clue. But I also see that today in 2010 it's more the sponsors who are perpetuating the problems. It's not the affiliate. This thread is an example of an affiliate calling out a couple sponsors. Good I say. But too bad it didn't happen a lot more in 2007.

Barefootsies

I guess you will not need to worry about them anymore (i.e. BANNED for LIFE)

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Are the majority of paid dating sites real or lots of fake profiles and owners using any means to keep the members recurring?

If the answer is yes, do affiliates sending them traffic know or care?

The biggest problem with the Adult Internet is the level of entry. The lower the bar the more who can scramble across it.

Ending piracy will not add much money to the pot. Manwin can afford to put up movies they own. The industry drove down the price of content to a level where they can afford to take your traffic.

Putting all porn into members areas would help.

Would a smaller tougher industry of been better? Not if it was run the same way as this one has been run.

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Davy

I would think a lot of sponsor don't care and allow it.
The rest of the sponsors probably don't check their stats, so they don't even know.

And the 0,01% that do care about ethical values are probably going broke this year.

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