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beerptrol 12-19-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784224)
I just find you guys funny...

Let me save you some lost money, most programs doing higher payouts or bonus days, never screw anyone over at any level.

I have nothing to be angry at, even if you directed at me. I'm just here to show the truth, that it's not all black and white and for damn sure... smaller programs will screw you and everyone else over just as fast as any big program.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Paul Markham 12-19-2010 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784112)
99% of the Affiliates don't give a shit. Even on gfy, 99% of the people will promote the worst program if the program converts... and not all programs need Affiliates, thus they give even less of a shit.

The content our Industry producers is more damaging to our Industry than all the other bullshit combined together...as history has already proven.
Quoted for the truth.

My post was because it's always laid at the sponsors doors. Without shitty affiliates sending traffic to shitty sites the shitty sites wouldn't exist.

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17784144)
You're right. Imagine how different things might be today if 90% of affiliates cut out the scoundrels back in 2007 and sent the message that if you advertise on pirate forums or pirate tubes you won't have affiliates and everyone on the forums will call you a scumbag while you end up on two dozen public blacklists?

Many in the industry don't have any formal business education. That's not always necessary but many of these same people have don't have any consideration for long term consequences either. It's not just affiliates, it's also the owners and some of the reps who are baked on cocaine and act like a bunch of frat boys. Things aren't ran like a business, it's ran like some kind of cocaine induced party.

"$300 PPS, hit me up man."

"We buy pre checked hidden X-sales, hit me up bro"

"Check out the new landing pages, they convert at 1:3! Honest!"

"Buying prepaid spots at surfer forums contact [email protected]"

"Time to buy a list of 10 million surfer emails to send out some unsolicited spam which isn't even legal."

"Screw these affiliates sending us 500 honest hits a day, we do business with the Pirate fucking Bay!"

"Another month another PAR-TAY, who wants a drink bro?!"

"(hushed tone) You sale list of 10,000 surfer credit cards? Time to go banging, we be big pimpin' now!"

:1orglaugh

Come on. That's not honest business it's a fucking joke. Don't fool yourself. I really wish something would happen to get these clowns out of the industry and back into scamming little old ladies or something. We'd all be better off. :2 cents: And just because you have money doesn't mean you have any class or real business sense.
If 90% of affiliates had a clue, this business would still be a pot of gold.

TheDoc 12-19-2010 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17784335)
Not going to argue with you much further. I don't know why you're on about the PPS issue. I never said:



in this thread. You are inserting your own words and interpretations. The focus of the thread was on sponsors who support pirate sites. Beyond a little ribbing in this thread ( "$300 PPS, hit me up man." ) and answering your question I haven't mentioned promos. You seem to be the one obsessed with that?

And once again, I will determine my own criteria for selecting sponsors, thank you. :thumbsup
I wasn't really arguing with you, just discussing the other side...

If you wish to get technical though, I first quoted you more because of your comment about the lack of business education... that direction is what drew in my focus. Simply put, you promote 300 programs, almost all have no business education. Then you make it appear as if, you can judge a program by the way it advertises or markets, less truly about what they are doing, and more on an opinion that the 300ish programs you select to promote aren't shady because you don't see it.


To answer your question... Those groups of statements you made are geared towards programs that almost always pay higher rates and you did say, "no promoting a program due to a temporary bonus."

On that... I just don't want to see a person lose money simply because they avoid a temporary bonus. Now if you avoid it on programs you choose not to promote that's understandable - if you avoid them all together because of the opinions expressed in this thread - you're losing a shit ton of money.

I'm not trying to give you advice - I'm simply telling you the way I see it.

TheDoc 12-19-2010 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 17784345)
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Sure, you clowns amuse me greatly. Yes, often you make me laugh. Totally, I think everyone is here for my enjoyment alone, I'm like that. Sometimes it's not funny, but this time it is a little funny. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best joke over - I would rate the threads funny a 4, but some of the replies are a 6, yours is an 6. :thumbsup

TheDoc 12-19-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17784362)
My post was because it's always laid at the sponsors doors. Without shitty affiliates sending traffic to shitty sites the shitty sites wouldn't exist.
That's a good point... and what a double edged sword.

If mass amounts of Affiliates, overall drive a base of the Industry - then it's safe to assume a fair percentage of them are scum and would promote scum too, driving that base of the Industry as well.

Question comes then... Would a bigger industry or a smaller industry benefit the overall Industry more? We can see which one is better for our back pockets.

Hypothetically, if we removed free porn/piracy, assume the Industry rebounded. It's almost a sure thing that we would see another huge spike in super fraud programs/people. So maybe a smaller, tougher, harder to make it Industry is overall better for the Industry... less attraction for the scum, thus they move off to easier targets, like apps.

signupdamnit 12-19-2010 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784368)
I wasn't really arguing with you, just discussing the other side...

If you wish to get technical though, I first quoted you more because of your comment about the lack of business education... that direction is what drew in my focus. Simply put, you promote 300 programs, almost all have no business education.
If you re-read the post you'll probably see I also stated there was nothing wrong with that in and of itself. The problem was those who also do not think in the long term at all and consequently tend to destroy the industry in doing so. Destroying the industry you are in generally isn't considered a good business practice.

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Then you make it appear as if, you can judge a program by the way it advertises or markets, less truly about what they are doing, and more on an opinion that the 300ish programs you select to promote aren't shady because you don't see it.
How do you know I'm not right? What makes you think I don't see more than you think? :upsidedow If over the years I've evolved a system to not get screwed and have found that overall it tends to yield positive results then I would be a fool to not use it. I can't avoid all shady programs or see everything but if my criteria helps to avoid 90% of them then for me it's worth keeping.

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To answer your question... Those groups of statements you made are geared towards programs that almost always pay higher rates and you did say, "no promoting a program due to a temporary bonus."
You asked me a question and I answered it briefly. That's a far cry from saying all programs which offer promos are shady. I said no such thing in this thread. I don't promote programs on a temporary basis so a temporary promo means nothing to me. But I still promote many sponsors who offer promos from time to time. It's just that I don't promote them solely for the promo.

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On that... I just don't want to see a person lose money simply because they avoid a temporary bonus. Now if you avoid it on programs you choose not to promote that's understandable - if you avoid them all together because of the opinions expressed in this thread - you're losing a shit ton of money.

I'm not trying to give you advice - I'm simply telling you the way I see it.
After years of experiences people tend to come to their own ways. One of mine is don't do business with scumbags if you can avoid it. Someone isn't necessarily a scumbag for offering $75 PPS but if they have their banner at the top of Extreme Board to me anyway it's a safe bet! :)

signupdamnit 12-19-2010 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17784362)
If 90% of affiliates had a clue, this business would still be a pot of gold.
I entirely agree with that. What I'm trying to do now is to be one of the ones with a clue. But I also see that today in 2010 it's more the sponsors who are perpetuating the problems. It's not the affiliate. This thread is an example of an affiliate calling out a couple sponsors. Good I say. But too bad it didn't happen a lot more in 2007.

Barefootsies 12-19-2010 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Stacks Banned for Life (Post 17784302)
man, you are full of corny ass one liners "champ"
I guess you will not need to worry about them anymore (i.e. BANNED for LIFE)
:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 12-20-2010 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784398)
That's a good point... and what a double edged sword.

If mass amounts of Affiliates, overall drive a base of the Industry - then it's safe to assume a fair percentage of them are scum and would promote scum too, driving that base of the Industry as well.
Are the majority of paid dating sites real or lots of fake profiles and owners using any means to keep the members recurring?

If the answer is yes, do affiliates sending them traffic know or care?

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Question comes then... Would a bigger industry or a smaller industry benefit the overall Industry more? We can see which one is better for our back pockets.
The biggest problem with the Adult Internet is the level of entry. The lower the bar the more who can scramble across it.

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Hypothetically, if we removed free porn/piracy, assume the Industry rebounded. It's almost a sure thing that we would see another huge spike in super fraud programs/people. So maybe a smaller, tougher, harder to make it Industry is overall better for the Industry... less attraction for the scum, thus they move off to easier targets, like apps.
Ending piracy will not add much money to the pot. Manwin can afford to put up movies they own. The industry drove down the price of content to a level where they can afford to take your traffic.

Putting all porn into members areas would help.

Would a smaller tougher industry of been better? Not if it was run the same way as this one has been run.

Davy 12-20-2010 08:05 AM
I would think a lot of sponsor don't care and allow it.
The rest of the sponsors probably don't check their stats, so they don't even know.

And the 0,01% that do care about ethical values are probably going broke this year.

Barefootsies 12-20-2010 08:58 AM
Fiddy pimphands.
:pimp

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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17785963)
And the 0,01% that do care about ethical values are probably going broke this year.

DWB 12-20-2010 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784108)
DWB, it's impossible to regulate this business ourselves.... It's way to large, it's private and between forums and shows, probably less than 1% of the Industry has ever shown its face.
I agree with that to a degree.

It is impossible because the majority of those in the business don't really know anything about business and are generally unstructured (and often desperate) lone wolfs to begin with. Porn often attracts a certain breed and that type of person is usually not capable of self regulation, be it in their personal life or with business. Too many wanting a fast buck. Hence so many people who should have money, are dead broke. I don't think being too large is an issue.

Even human trafficking is self regulated to some degree. There are things you do to ensure the survival of your industry, and we simply don't do that. It seems we always do the opposite of what is needed to ensure the longevity of the industry. Too many get rich quick and short term types here.

The anonymity of the industry is the other issue. Anyone can do anything and no one knows who they are. Humans do all sorts of bad shit when they no one knows they do it. We both know many here would sell beast or CP if they knew they could get away with it.


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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784108)
Anyway, .xxx isn't coming out and hasn't ever been a danger to our Industry even if it did come out - and the Gov will regulate us, like they have been doing for 40 years.
It does sound like .XXX is going to happen, but I hope you're right about gov regulation, even though we could probably use it. And for me to say such a thing is as absurd as they come. I'm so anti-government it hurts, but I believe our industry is THAT out of control.

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17785963)
And the 0,01% that do care about ethical values are probably going broke this year.
You trust these other guys to actually continue paying you in 2011?

DWB 12-20-2010 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17784165)
P.S. The majority of ALL business owners, do not have a formal business education.
You are right, a lot don't. But they have a good business sense. A lot can be said about someone with a good head on their shoulders.

seeric 12-20-2010 09:18 AM
.xxx will not exist.

Agent 488 12-20-2010 09:21 AM
other industries - especially online - are much worse. it is amazingly self-regulating.

the movement towards free has nothing to do with porn or regulation and everything to do with the nature of the internet itself. selling shit on the internet will always be like herding cats, that's just how it is and always will be.

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17786097)
I agree with that to a degree.

It is impossible because the majority of those in the business don't really know anything about business and are generally unstructured (and often desperate) lone wolfs to begin with. Porn often attracts a certain breed and that type of person is usually not capable of self regulation, be it in their personal life or with business. Too many wanting a fast buck. Hence so many people who should have money, are dead broke. I don't think being too large is an issue.

Even human trafficking is self regulated to some degree. There are things you do to ensure the survival of your industry, and we simply don't do that. It seems we always do the opposite of what is needed to ensure the longevity of the industry. Too many get rich quick and short term types here.

The anonymity of the industry is the other issue. Anyone can do anything and no one knows who they are. Humans do all sorts of bad shit when they no one knows they do it. We both know many here would sell beast or CP if they knew they could get away with it.




It does sound like .XXX is going to happen, but I hope you're right about gov regulation, even though we could probably use it. And for me to say such a thing is as absurd as they come. I'm so anti-government it hurts, but I believe our industry is THAT out of control.

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17786141)
other industries - especially online - are much worse. it is amazingly self-regulating.

the movement towards free has nothing to do with porn or regulation and everything to do with the nature of the internet itself. selling shit on the internet will always be like herding cats, that's just how it is and always will be.
Big difference between "selling" your own content for free and "selling" another's content for free. One is stealing the other isn't.

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 09:49 AM
funny how you guys are calling me out. He basically said, if you want your stuff removed by adds. I did the math. It was worth it. So in essence I'm being extorted. But, I'd rather have one less place to worry about at a fee than the resources it would take to police it.
Sometimes the best way is to play nice with the people who are stabbing you. Don't hate me for that.
ds

TeenCat 12-20-2010 09:51 AM
lol duke you are profitting from other ... if there will be only your stuff, you will have no sales from there ... oh man ...

Agent 488 12-20-2010 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786232)
funny how you guys are calling me out. He basically said, if you want your stuff removed by adds. I did the math. It was worth it. So in essence I'm being extorted. But, I'd rather have one less place to worry about at a fee than the resources it would take to police it.
Sometimes the best way is to play nice with the people who are stabbing you. Don't hate me for that.
ds
if the banner generating any sales? curious because i see a few ref code banners on similar sites. might be surprising.

Agent 488 12-20-2010 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786193)
Big difference between "selling" your own content for free and "selling" another's content for free. One is stealing the other isn't.
complying with dmca is not stealing. may suck, but not illegal.

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786232)
funny how you guys are calling me out. He basically said, if you want your stuff removed by adds. I did the math. It was worth it. So in essence I'm being extorted. But, I'd rather have one less place to worry about at a fee than the resources it would take to police it.
Sometimes the best way is to play nice with the people who are stabbing you. Don't hate me for that.
ds
1. How do we know the story is true?
2. Why support these people?
3. What they are doing is illegal. Fight it in other ways.

They have been deleting some stuff from DMCA reports:

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Deleted bsc of DMCA report from ts-cum.com
Last edited by crech; 10-31-2009 at 07:12 AM.
Code:
http://extreme-board.com/showthread.php?t=32945

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17786259)
complying with dmca is not stealing. may suck, but not illegal.
All "stealing" is not considered "illegal" in every jurisdiction or time but it can still be considered "stealing" despite legal status. Complying with the DMCA does not mean that one isn't doing anything illegal or is not stealing. It only means they complied with the DMCA in that instance.

Agent 488 12-20-2010 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786272)
All "stealing" is not considered "illegal" in every jurisdiction or time but it can still be considered "stealing" despite legal status. Complying with the DMCA does not mean that one isn't doing anything illegal or is not stealing. It only means they complied with the DMCA in that instance.
yeah well "illegal" sites probably control 95% of adult traffic now so who cares? the damage is done and the market restructured and all the message board heroics aint going to do shit.

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17786277)
yeah well "illegal" sites probably control 95% of adult traffic now so who cares? the damage is done and the market restructured and all the message board heroics aint going to do shit.
I highly doubt that percentage. It likely isn't even 33%. And if the business model becomes clearly illegal or unprofitable a lot can be done. It's getting closer to being both. No sense being a defeatist.

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786266)
1. How do we know the story is true?
2. Why support these people?
3. What they are doing is illegal. Fight it in other ways.

They have been deleting some stuff from DMCA reports:



Code:
http://extreme-board.com/showthread.php?t=32945
1. it is true. I dont care if you don't believe me.
2. before I bought ads on there i was getting pillaged. Bad. It hurt.
3. he's in russia and hosts at the same place at the pirate bay.
4. while you may get the content of your post commented out, I get posters banned. I get my stuff removed completely. It is a forum rule not to post my stuff.
duke

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786290)
1. it is true. I dont care if you don't believe me.
2. before I bought ads on there i was getting pillaged. Bad. It hurt.
3. he's in russia and hosts at the same place at the pirate bay.
duke
Well you're directly supporting piracy by buying ads. That's also true and I don't care what excuse you have. If you want to change that, then your move.

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786305)
Well you're directly supporting piracy by buying ads. That's also true and I don't care what excuse you have. If you want to change that, then your move.
Well let's agree to disagree.
and that's all I have to say about that.
Duke

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786326)
Well let's agree to disagree.
and that's all I have to say about that.
Duke
Ok. But assuming your story is true I wonder how many others will try the same tactics on you and others now that it's established that it works?

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786341)
Ok. But assuming your story is true I wonder how many others will try the same tactics on you and others now that it's established that it works?
been tried. a lot. It hurts more when someone in a related niche is ripping you off. I still have plenty of boards who dont even answer my messages. In the end, I am just protecting my brand & content. When you see and realize that, you won't have such a harsh opinion.
On a side note, if affiliates did much of anything these days hardly any of this would be happening. But this whole piracy thing caught everyone with their pants around their ankles. Instead of bitching about it, I went about it like a business man. Would I prefer that these turn of events never happened in this industry? Hell yea. Is my business much more important to me than yours? Hell yea. That is just how this industry works, and all the talk of us making rules to abide by wont work when you have people ripping off your stuff who aren't even in the industry. So you may say I have sold out. No. I bought in.
duke

Agent 488 12-20-2010 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786284)
I highly doubt that percentage. It likely isn't even 33%. And if the business model becomes clearly illegal or unprofitable a lot can be done. It's getting closer to being both. No sense being a defeatist.
realist. and yes the number is that high. the majority of sub 10,000 alexa porn sites are either "illegal" sites or sites that serve up full length videos. if you don't see that you are living under a rock.

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786360)
been tried. a lot. It hurts more when someone in a related niche is ripping you off. I still have plenty of boards who dont even answer my messages. In the end, I am just protecting my brand & content. When you see and realize that, you won't have such a harsh opinion.
On a side note, if affiliates did much of anything these days hardly any of this would be happening. But this whole piracy thing caught everyone with their pants around their ankles. Instead of bitching about it, I went about it like a business man. Would I prefer that these turn of events never happened in this industry? Hell yea. Is my business much more important to me than yours? Hell yea. That is just how this industry works, and all the talk of us making rules to abide by wont work when you have people ripping off your stuff who aren't even in the industry. So you may say I have sold out. No. I bought in.
duke

You're processing his joins and now blaming affiliates for it? Based on past experiences I'll be surprised if you have an affiliate program (that you haven't sold) at the end of 2011. I guess we'll see. Anyway one of my previous posts said all that I have to say. Good luck with your "business".

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17786367)
realist. and yes the number is that high. the majority of sub 10,000 alexa porn sites are either "illegal" sites or sites that serve up full length videos. if you don't see that you are living under a rock.
Majority of porn sites sub-10,000 alexa sites != 95% of adult traffic.
It's basic math. The number isn't even 33%. Add it up yourself.

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786379)
You're processing his joins and now blaming affiliates for it? Based on past experiences I'll be surprised if you have an affiliate program (that you haven't sold) at the end of 2011. I guess we'll see. Anyway one of my previous posts said all that I have to say. Good luck with your "business".
My affiliate program is closed to the public. I havent relied on affiliates for 2 years. Ask anyone who has coded for me. 90% of my joins are in house. . I have loyal affiliates. I go above and beyond for them.
affiliate sales started dropping off around 2 years ago. That's when we just looked beyond the horizon and looked, seriously looked at the industry and how it changed. Don't get mad at me that I am one of the few companies that got the memo.
ds

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786399)
My affiliate program is closed to the public. I havent relied on affiliates for 2 years. Ask anyone who has coded for me. 90% of my joins are in house. . I have loyal affiliates. I go above and beyond for them.
affiliate sales started dropping off around 2 years ago. That's when we just looked beyond the horizon and looked, seriously looked at the industry and how it changed. Don't get mad at me that I am one of the few companies that got the memo.
ds
Then it's exactly as I said and I guess no one shouldn't be surprised by you having a banner there or your statements. I'm not mad. I pretty much knew what to expect. The only surprise is that you bother responding.

I always wanted to ask someone who makes statements such as yours, what's the purpose of the affiliate banner or the advertising if you don't need affiliates? Explain that one to me please. It doesn't make sense. Is it an ego thing? Okay, well I have to get other stuff done. It's nothing personal. Take care.

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786407)
Then it's exactly as I said and I guess no one shouldn't be surprised by you having a banner there or your statements. I'm not mad. I pretty much knew what to expect. The only surprise is that you bother responding.
Why wouldn't I respond. You seem like a credible person who deserves a dignified reply.
ds

signupdamnit 12-20-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 17786412)
Why wouldn't I respond. You seem like a credible person who deserves a dignified reply.
ds
Okay I appreciate that. I edited that after you hit reply. I'm curious why you keep the banner and the ads if you don't need affiliates. I've always wondered. Is it ego or maybe just to support GFY?

TeenCat 12-20-2010 11:09 AM
you dont need much legit affiliates if you have few hand picked warez sources with high traffic :) i dont understand this thread so much but my problem i need to learn how to live with it :)

Major (Tom) 12-20-2010 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17786428)
Okay I appreciate that. I edited that after you hit reply. I'm curious why you keep the banner and the ads if you don't need affiliates. I've always wondered. Is it ego or maybe just to support GFY?
The program is closed as in someone needs to contact us for the password to join up so we can limit fraud. It's not closed as in we won't take your business. We also like to speak to people first before they send traffic etc.
ego? common. I'm not a chest puffer. But funny you mention the banner. We had someone make our most recent one and they didnt put a link in it the flash. So that went 3 months unlinked. Yea, I know. Dumb mistake. The best banner we had was the duke of new york banner. That worked great. It pissed some of the sheep off though. So I pulled it. It was a bad mistake pulling that banner. That's when I realized that gfy popular opinion means jack shit. So I do what I do. I'm not here to make pals. At this stage of the game it's all B to B anyway, and they are much less judgemental.
Duke

Lamis 12-20-2010 11:38 AM
This guy opened a thread and reported that DukeSkywalker pays this illegal forum "Extreme Board" to post his banner from FacialAbuse (DukeDollars), am I right?

The problem is that you ban the thread CREATOR? What is going on here? This is extremely unfair. Why did you ban this guy for telling the truth? No sense!

I will make sure to post on my network of sites that this DukeSkywalker is a motherfucker who sponsors Illegal places and I will recommend everyone to stop promoting his program, I will give further details, I won't post here, because it's dangerous to talk against this sucker DukeSkywalker, supporter of forums with stolen content, pirate and ilegallity.

I hope someone makes something about it and this guy DukeGaySkywalker gets punished.


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