Fiddy pimphands.
:pimp

I agree with that to a degree.

It is impossible because the majority of those in the business don't really know anything about business and are generally unstructured (and often desperate) lone wolfs to begin with. Porn often attracts a certain breed and that type of person is usually not capable of self regulation, be it in their personal life or with business. Too many wanting a fast buck. Hence so many people who should have money, are dead broke. I don't think being too large is an issue.

Even human trafficking is self regulated to some degree. There are things you do to ensure the survival of your industry, and we simply don't do that. It seems we always do the opposite of what is needed to ensure the longevity of the industry. Too many get rich quick and short term types here.

The anonymity of the industry is the other issue. Anyone can do anything and no one knows who they are. Humans do all sorts of bad shit when they no one knows they do it. We both know many here would sell beast or CP if they knew they could get away with it.


It does sound like .XXX is going to happen, but I hope you're right about gov regulation, even though we could probably use it. And for me to say such a thing is as absurd as they come. I'm so anti-government it hurts, but I believe our industry is THAT out of control.

You trust these other guys to actually continue paying you in 2011?

You are right, a lot don't. But they have a good business sense. A lot can be said about someone with a good head on their shoulders.

.xxx will not exist.

other industries - especially online - are much worse. it is amazingly self-regulating.

the movement towards free has nothing to do with porn or regulation and everything to do with the nature of the internet itself. selling shit on the internet will always be like herding cats, that's just how it is and always will be.

Big difference between "selling" your own content for free and "selling" another's content for free. One is stealing the other isn't.

funny how you guys are calling me out. He basically said, if you want your stuff removed by adds. I did the math. It was worth it. So in essence I'm being extorted. But, I'd rather have one less place to worry about at a fee than the resources it would take to police it.
Sometimes the best way is to play nice with the people who are stabbing you. Don't hate me for that.
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lol duke you are profitting from other ... if there will be only your stuff, you will have no sales from there ... oh man ...

if the banner generating any sales? curious because i see a few ref code banners on similar sites. might be surprising.

complying with dmca is not stealing. may suck, but not illegal.

1. How do we know the story is true?
2. Why support these people?
3. What they are doing is illegal. Fight it in other ways.

They have been deleting some stuff from DMCA reports:

All "stealing" is not considered "illegal" in every jurisdiction or time but it can still be considered "stealing" despite legal status. Complying with the DMCA does not mean that one isn't doing anything illegal or is not stealing. It only means they complied with the DMCA in that instance.

yeah well "illegal" sites probably control 95% of adult traffic now so who cares? the damage is done and the market restructured and all the message board heroics aint going to do shit.

I highly doubt that percentage. It likely isn't even 33%. And if the business model becomes clearly illegal or unprofitable a lot can be done. It's getting closer to being both. No sense being a defeatist.

1. it is true. I dont care if you don't believe me.
2. before I bought ads on there i was getting pillaged. Bad. It hurt.
3. he's in russia and hosts at the same place at the pirate bay.
4. while you may get the content of your post commented out, I get posters banned. I get my stuff removed completely. It is a forum rule not to post my stuff.
duke

Well you're directly supporting piracy by buying ads. That's also true and I don't care what excuse you have. If you want to change that, then your move.

Well let's agree to disagree.
and that's all I have to say about that.
Duke

Ok. But assuming your story is true I wonder how many others will try the same tactics on you and others now that it's established that it works?

been tried. a lot. It hurts more when someone in a related niche is ripping you off. I still have plenty of boards who dont even answer my messages. In the end, I am just protecting my brand & content. When you see and realize that, you won't have such a harsh opinion.
On a side note, if affiliates did much of anything these days hardly any of this would be happening. But this whole piracy thing caught everyone with their pants around their ankles. Instead of bitching about it, I went about it like a business man. Would I prefer that these turn of events never happened in this industry? Hell yea. Is my business much more important to me than yours? Hell yea. That is just how this industry works, and all the talk of us making rules to abide by wont work when you have people ripping off your stuff who aren't even in the industry. So you may say I have sold out. No. I bought in.
duke

realist. and yes the number is that high. the majority of sub 10,000 alexa porn sites are either "illegal" sites or sites that serve up full length videos. if you don't see that you are living under a rock.

You're processing his joins and now blaming affiliates for it? Based on past experiences I'll be surprised if you have an affiliate program (that you haven't sold) at the end of 2011. I guess we'll see. Anyway one of my previous posts said all that I have to say. Good luck with your "business".

Majority of porn sites sub-10,000 alexa sites != 95% of adult traffic.
It's basic math. The number isn't even 33%. Add it up yourself.

My affiliate program is closed to the public. I havent relied on affiliates for 2 years. Ask anyone who has coded for me. 90% of my joins are in house. . I have loyal affiliates. I go above and beyond for them.
affiliate sales started dropping off around 2 years ago. That's when we just looked beyond the horizon and looked, seriously looked at the industry and how it changed. Don't get mad at me that I am one of the few companies that got the memo.
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Then it's exactly as I said and I guess no one shouldn't be surprised by you having a banner there or your statements. I'm not mad. I pretty much knew what to expect. The only surprise is that you bother responding.

I always wanted to ask someone who makes statements such as yours, what's the purpose of the affiliate banner or the advertising if you don't need affiliates? Explain that one to me please. It doesn't make sense. Is it an ego thing? Okay, well I have to get other stuff done. It's nothing personal. Take care.

Why wouldn't I respond. You seem like a credible person who deserves a dignified reply.
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Okay I appreciate that. I edited that after you hit reply. I'm curious why you keep the banner and the ads if you don't need affiliates. I've always wondered. Is it ego or maybe just to support GFY?

you dont need much legit affiliates if you have few hand picked warez sources with high traffic :) i dont understand this thread so much but my problem i need to learn how to live with it :)

The program is closed as in someone needs to contact us for the password to join up so we can limit fraud. It's not closed as in we won't take your business. We also like to speak to people first before they send traffic etc.
ego? common. I'm not a chest puffer. But funny you mention the banner. We had someone make our most recent one and they didnt put a link in it the flash. So that went 3 months unlinked. Yea, I know. Dumb mistake. The best banner we had was the duke of new york banner. That worked great. It pissed some of the sheep off though. So I pulled it. It was a bad mistake pulling that banner. That's when I realized that gfy popular opinion means jack shit. So I do what I do. I'm not here to make pals. At this stage of the game it's all B to B anyway, and they are much less judgemental.
Duke

This guy opened a thread and reported that DukeSkywalker pays this illegal forum "Extreme Board" to post his banner from FacialAbuse (DukeDollars), am I right?

The problem is that you ban the thread CREATOR? What is going on here? This is extremely unfair. Why did you ban this guy for telling the truth? No sense!

I will make sure to post on my network of sites that this DukeSkywalker is a motherfucker who sponsors Illegal places and I will recommend everyone to stop promoting his program, I will give further details, I won't post here, because it's dangerous to talk against this sucker DukeSkywalker, supporter of forums with stolen content, pirate and ilegallity.

I hope someone makes something about it and this guy DukeGaySkywalker gets punished.

Nice to see where you stand. Again, I'm not surprised. Have a happy holiday season. :)

please.. post your allegations. Make sure they are facts.
operating word "facts"
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Post proof with allegations or accusations, or face the BAN HAMMER.

It's the rule.
:2 cents:

When will you realize that we're not supporting the piracy? When you have a site publishing our content at an alarming rate, and the only way to remove it is through paying them off via an ad spot, you HAVE to weigh out the options:

1. Pay a bit to have our content policed and removed by the forum mods.
2. Do nothing, send ignored DMCA's and allow hundreds of thousands of dollars in content to be posted, and revenue to be lost.

Wake up guys...It's 2010. For those that think we'll be one of the guys going down this year, think again. The action you see above is to assure that we'll still be pushing forward, not falling back. While you see it as us supporting piracy, we see it as us protecting our content, which keeps it fresh, which keeps our existing affiliates converting. There are 2 sides to every coin.

We have an invite only program and we are not soliciting anybody for business. We appreciate your point of view and we can agree that doing business together wouldn't be the best thing. We respect that and hope that you can respect the fact that we will do what is needed to assure the success of our company.

On a sidenote, our content is a commodity as it is unique and heavily desired. We're not putting out vanilla porn that is cookie cutter and indistinguishable from others. When you have a company that has entire boards dedicated to mainly publishing your content, and they tell you that it won't stop unless you purchase an ad, let's see how you react. It's sink or swim, and we're wearing our floaties.

Man ignore the broke dick crybabies. You are not doing anything illegal and at the end of the day you made money. One thing I have learned is that all the people crying about tube sites etc are broke and on their way out of this business anyway. Fuck them.

He's punishing himself. :2 cents: