Who else hates planes?

[MarkTiarra]

FINALLY went to Vegas for a show and got my ass on a plane for the first time since 1988. Yeah I know - big puss!

Wasn't bad at all though... my consulting client bought the ticket for me before he knew I wouldn't fly so I ended up just letting go of the flying fear and doing it rather than inconvenience the guy.

So anyway... who else avoids flying or really doesn't like it?

At least by the second flight to go home I wasn't nervous about it anymore... that is until DK has to go and tell me about some awful flight he had where the turbulance was so bad it become a pukefest on the plane!

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[[Labret]]

I have flown quite a bit, and I hate every single fucking bit of it. I am torn actually, I love looking out the window... and just the whole concept of flying 30k feet up in the air inside a pressurized aluminum tube is fascinating.

BUT, what a terrible way to die. Fuck I hate flying. The only thing thats gets me on a plane, is a take great stock in stats. Flying is gambling with your life.

Nothing makes my asshole tighter than turbulence. And any turbulence that would be so bad as to make others puke, would have me praying to Jesus and crying like a 12 year old girl.

[quiet]

flying definitely freaks me out. i find the whole thing so damn surreal. yet i do it all the time.

[Marcus]

I hate flying so I had my doctor prescribe Lorazepam for me before an 8 hour flight.

2 of those right before the flight and a glass of wine and it knocked me right out

[MarkTiarra]

You make me blush. =] It was good chatting with you as well. Looking forward to hanging out in the next couple months.

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[Labret]--
Trying flying in an 18 seater over the Grand Canyon.
Beautiful and terrifying. We were fine on the way to the Canyon, on the way back we must have been going against some wind pattern because the flight was full of turbulence.

[421Fill]

I've only flown once in my life, and I ws so scared on that 2 hour flight that I read Thinner by Stehpen King from start to finish.. never took my eyes off of the book. I purposely avoid flying, and really don't see myself changing that anytime soon. Like [Labret], to me it seems the scariest way to die. Besides drowning that is...


Go greyhound. lol

[MarkTiarra]

Originally posted by Marcus
I hate flying so I had my doctor prescribe Lorazepam for me before an 8 hour flight.

2 of those right before the flight and a glass of wine and it knocked me right out

I tried to stay awake the whole night before so I'd be beat. Didn't work. I was too wound up and every time we hit turbulance I was wide awake. I won't take drugs so that left one course of action... Zen Bhudda Yoga Tantra Mumbo Jumbo Zoning Out. Also known as grabbing the seat for dear life. =]

[quiet]

yet flying in a helicopter doesn't bother me at all.

[MarkTiarra]

Originally posted by turbo
Like [Labret], to me it seems the scariest way to die. Besides drowning that is...


Go greyhound. lol

I have a tour bus I use and I took trains everywhere. It was just time to go fly though. And I have to agree it's a scary way to go... that 5 minutes of knowing you're gonna die instead of just instant boom!

Learned something neat though... my main biz partner (Mark2) flies planes and is a mechanic for them. He is the kinda guy that thinks turbulance is fun cuz he likes to fly upsidedown and shit... he infomred me that no passenger jet has ever gone down due to turbulance.

[[Labret]]

My worst plane ride was in a 12 seat prop style plane going from Seattle to Pullman Washington. In the process, you immediately have to cross over the Cascade moutain range. Just as we got over them, the turbulence got to what I can only describe as insane. The plane literally was thrown up and down like a little toy, and dropping so hard and fast that I was straining against my seatbelt. 2 Japanese exchange student girls who were in the plane started screaming and crying. I assumed we were dead at this point. It didnt help when I looked at the little steward buckled into his seat and he was looking like "oh fuck".

And almost as quickly and brutally as it started, it stopped. Two minutes later, the captain comes on laughing... fucking laughing, and says (in his sterotypical captains voice) "welllllll... looks like we had ourselves a little turbulence. We were never in any danger, sit back and enjoy the rest of the flight".

After that, the turbulence in a 747 never quite bothered me as much.

[Marcus]

Originally posted by MarkTiarra


I tried to stay awake the whole night before so I'd be beat. Didn't work. I was too wound up and every time we hit turbulance I was wide awake. I won't take drugs so that left one course of action... Zen Bhudda Yoga Tantra Mumbo Jumbo Zoning Out. Also known as grabbing the seat for dear life. =]

Haha I stay up the night before a long trip too and it never works for me, I can never fall asleep.
Any turbulance and I'm like "FUCK!! SHIT!!!!!!!"
It's just so unnatural to be that high up.

[KRL]

The worst scare I had was on a helicopter from LA to Catalina Island. Midway out over the ocean the thing started to shake like a motherfucker and my wife at the time and I were freaking out thinking ok this is it what a fucked way to go, we'll crash land and get eaten by fucking sharks. Then it just dropped and my stomach felt like it went out of my head from the g-force. What got me really worried was watching the pilot, cause I could tell he was panicking to figure out what was wrong. He then tilted it sideways and it descended way down fast, and whatever that action did when he righted the heli back straight the shaking stopped. I nearly pissed in my pants and haven't been on a helicopter since.

[TheFLY]

The air on planes is always stale and 90% of the time after a flight I feel ill afterwards... I always point the vents away from me... This last flight to Vegas there was a burning smell -- most people around me noticed it and complained... the freakin' flight attendants act like it's just normal... burnt air smell -- oh that's normal... hehe...

[UnseenWorld]

I like flying. The biggest problem is the occasional inconvenience, and for a short hop, like Portland to Seattle, since you have to get to the airport about 2 hours (or at least 90 minutes) in advance, flying doesn't actually save you all that much time. Statistically, it's the safest form of travel, and the average person could fly everyday for several lifetimes before being killed in a flying accident.

[BV]

I used to fly all over on biz, didn't like it but I tolerated it. I won't do it any more. (after getting stuck overseas during 9/11)

Too much human error involved in the equation now.

[TheFLY]

[i]The average person could fly everyday for several lifetimes before being killed in a flying accident. [/B]

Do you have an average chance of being average?

[quiet]

sure, driving a car is far more dangerous than flying. i don't think that's what is being discussed here.

The worst in-flight experience I have ever had was during a 24h-flight from Frankfurt to Melbourne. Could you imagine a crappy Alitalia 747 with 10 hours of straight turbulences? You don't want to, trust me. The worst thing was that I sat right at the wings and could clearly see the tip of the wing flexing with an amplitude of about 3 feet. I am thankful that those things flex that much. Otherwise we would have been toast.

[MarkTiarra]

I noticed people always coming back from Vegas all sick. Prolly fromm partying getting their immune system down then being on the plane with all those people sneezing and coughing in the recycled air and shit. My honey gave me this powedered vitamen drink stuff - Emrgen-C I think it was. I took it the morning before the flights and also a couple times in Vegas. Never got sick so maybe it helped.

Originally posted by TheFLY
The air on planes is always stale and 90% of the time after a flight I feel ill afterwards... I always point the vents away from me... This last flight to Vegas there was a burning smell -- most people around me noticed it and complained... the freakin' flight attendants act like it's just normal... burnt air smell -- oh that's normal... hehe...

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by quiet
sure, driving a car is far more dangerous than flying. i don't think that's what is being discussed here.

But I just feel my odds of surviving a crash is better when I am only doing 40 and have airbags all around me. Not strapped to a chair and hitting the earth at 400 miles an hour, surrounded by fuel.

[Martin]

I love flying.. No fear in flying for me..

[Darin]

Flying is for the birds man.

I almost died twice in a plane. Yet still I manage to have to get on a plane to go somewhere. Not fun.

.. and I agree with the turbulence, that shit is crazy. Ever watch the wings bounce up and down while that shit is happening?

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by quiet
sure, driving a car is far more dangerous than flying. i don't think that's what is being discussed here.

Sure that's what they want you to believe to make you buy more tickets -- but the fact is that those stats factor in all the people with poor eyesight -- senior citizens -- teenage drivers, drunk drivers, crack heads, people speeding, police chases, miata drivers, and on and on... If you have good reflexes, good defensive driving skills, a solid car, and you're not driving like a maniac, AND you're wearing your seatbelt, have anti-lock brakes on all 4 wheels, AND front and side airbags -- LOL your chances of death are pretty slim and I'd much prefer to die at my own hands at the wheel of my own car.

[cherrylula]

fuck, this thread alone is giving practically giving me a panic attack.

but i'll take a road trip any day of the week... ground, safe.

[BV]

Originally posted by Equinox
The worst thing was that I sat right at the wings and could clearly see the tip of the wing flexing with an amplitude of about 3 feet. I am thankful that those things flex that much. Otherwise we would have been toast.

The 747s wing tips can flex 26 feet before they snap off.

[quiet]

Originally posted by [Labret]


But I just feel my odds of surviving a crash is better when I am only doing 40 and have airbags all around me. Not strapped to a chair and hitting the earth at 400 miles an hour, surrounded by fuel.

exactly. there are no 'accidents' on a plane (for the most part). either you are fine, or you are dead. there are no degrees of severity.

that's part of what freaks me out...

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by quiet


exactly. there is no 'accidents' on a plane (for the most part). either you are fine, or you are dead. there are no degrees of severity.

that part of what freaks me out...

I always pack a parachute into my carry-on...

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by BV



The 747s wing tips can flex 26 feet before they snap off.

My dick can flex 26 inches before it snaps off...

Originally posted by BV



The 747s wing tips can flex 26 feet before they snap off.

good to know

[quiet]

Originally posted by BV



The 747s wing tips can flex 26 feet before they snap off.

seriously? cool.

[Mr Pheer]

If i'm going less than 500 miles and the weather is nice, I fly my own plane. Anything farther than that, I go commercial

By the way guys, dont let the flexing wings on the big planes bother you, they are designed to do that. If they didnt flex, the spars would crack and then you have a huge problem after a while

The drive to the airport, no matter what you drive, is by far more dangerious and life threatening than the flight is.

[Ted]

I have no fear of flying, but I still hate it.

Being trapped in a cabin with a bunch of people who on an ordinary day you wouldn't even nod to as you pass them in the street. Then you gut stuck next to the lonely old guy who wants to talk about his 73 great grandchildren and gets up 14 times to visit the loo but wont give up his window seat so you have to keep getting out of your seat for the fear of being pissed on by the incontinent old bastard.
Or being stuck next to a mother with a child on there lap and both of them are getting air sick and the mother passes you the vomit soaked kid so she can fill the flimsy advertising coated bags that they call an airsick bag these days.

The only time I have any fun when flying is when I sit next to a first time flier and say things like "I've never heard that noise before" and "the ground shouldn't be that close yet" and "I hope that vapour coming off the wing isnt fuel, we're gonna need that to land"

[Nasty D]

Whenever I look out the window I sometimes see little gremlin looking demons tearing up the wings and laughing at me, like on the Twighlight Zone Movie, and usally only a few drinks can make them disappear!

[Darin]

What amazes me is everytime I need to fly somewhere the night before I'll be turning the channel and wouldn't you know..

a movie about crashing airplanes, or documentary of past airplane crashes, it never fails!

[MarkTiarra]

Got to agree with ya there. You drive safe and the only likely way to go is from a drunk driver being stupid around you.

And besides... if you die in a car wreck it's quick. You got too much time to think about it in a plane!

Originally posted by TheFLY


Sure that's what they want you to believe to make you buy more tickets -- but the fact is that those stats factor in all the people with poor eyesight -- senior citizens -- teenage drivers, drunk drivers, crack heads, people speeding, police chases, miata drivers, and on and on... If you have good reflexes, good defensive driving skills, a solid car, and you're not driving like a maniac, AND you're wearing your seatbelt, have anti-lock brakes on all 4 wheels, AND front and side airbags -- LOL your chances of death are pretty slim and I'd much prefer to die at my own hands at the wheel of my own car.

[pine]

Originally posted by [Labret]
But I just feel my odds of surviving a crash is better when I am only doing 40 and have airbags all around me. Not strapped to a chair and hitting the earth at 400 miles an hour, surrounded by fuel.

Yep. Plus, I'm the one controlling this chunk of metal...not some guy who may or may not have had enough sleep last night.

I loved flying as a kid. Once I started getting older, and wiser, I realized there some really fucking unnatural about being 30000 feet in the air travelling 600 mph. Problem is, how can you do cool vacation stuff without flying? It's a long swim to Hawaii.

[iroc409]

i hate flying... but maybe it's because i'm not a the wheel. i've always wanted to be a pilot, and i have several cool designs for my own plane. who knows, i guess when i rack up enough cash, i'll go for it.

i think i inherited my flying hatred from my father, but i'm not as bad as he is. he needs muscle relaxants. and the turbulance was HORRIBLE last time i flew, which was to nyc. laguardia's runway is on a FREAKIN PIER! agh!

[BV]

Originally posted by quiet


seriously? cool.

yep saw it on discovery channel
they set up a 747 in a jig and then started flexing both wings at the same time until they fail.

Many plain manufacturers run these tests.
I am facinated with the technology, but I'm still scared as hell to get on one any more. You never know when some flopdick is not going to do his job correctly.

Go to the NTSB website and just read all of the near mishaps that happen that you never hear about on the news. You'll see actual reports about engines falling off in flight, pilots pulling out onto the wrong runway where planes are landing, all sorts of shit.

When terrorists got added to the list i said scew it, no more for me.

[MarkTiarra]

Too bad ultralights don't go far and fast. At least you know you'd have to TRY to crash one of those. =]

[KC]

I love flying! It's such a blast..

Anyone afraid of flying should take a flying lesson or two and once you understand the mechanics of flying, you'll feel a lot better about flying through "bumpy" air in a big plane.

[archer]

the comments above re flying in a small plane are right on the money.

being in a large plane is like being in a large car/van/truck.... psychologically you feel safer ... (like the rule of physics don't still apply)


i've been in those small prop jobbies and man u realize just how fragile planes really are.... especially if it's just a single engine plane

[HomerFromTheBlock]

When we came back from Vegas I think we landed on one wheel... The flight attendant looked scared... I was terrified. Fun shit... but ehh Vegas and internext was worth it. Pics should be up soon @ www.classorsex.com .
Homer

[BV]

These are the mishaps that you never hear about on the news:

On January 6, 2003, at 1248 eastern standard time, an Embrear ERJ-145LR, N16571, operated by Continental Express as flight 2051, was substantially damaged when it overran the departure end of the runway while landing at Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport (CLE), Cleveland, Ohio. There were no injuries to the 2 certificated airline transport pilots, 1 flight attendant, and 47 passengers. Instrument meteorological conditions prevailed for the scheduled, domestic flight that last departed from Bradley International Airport (BDL), Windsor Locks, Connecticut. Flight 2051 was conducted on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan under 14 CFR Part 121.

According to an inspector from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), there were no reported problems with the en route or approach phases of the flight. The ILS runway 6L approach was performed. After touchdown, the flight crew was unable to stop the airplane on the runway. The airplane continued beyond the departure end, on extended runway centerline, and struck the ILS runway 6L localizer antenna. It came to rest with the nose about 600 feet beyond the departure end of the runway. The passengers exited the airplane through the main cabin door, and were taken to the terminal via vehicles.

The ILS runway 6L localizer antenna was located 510 feet beyond the departure end of the runway. The ILS DME antenna was co-located with the ILS runway 6L localizer antenna.

Examination of the airplane revealed that the tail of the airplane was abeam of the localizer antenna. In addition, the nose landing gear had collapsed rearward and deformed the forward pressure bulkhead. Minor damage in the form of scrapes were found on the leading edge of both wings.

According to the flight data recorder, the air/ground squat switch on the main landing gear transitioned from air to ground when the airplane was about 0.38 nm from the ILS DME antenna, with an indicated airspeed of about 150 knots (KIAS). When the airplane was about 0.13 nm from the ILS DME antenna, the airspeed was about 100 KIAS. At the same time that the main landing gear squat switch transitioned to ground, the spoilers deployed, and 3 seconds later, the thrust reversers were deployed.

At 1147, a NOTAM was issued that runway 6L/24R was covered with thin wet snow. The runway had been "broomed" full length and width, and liquid deicer and sand had been applied to a width of 100 feet. "Tapley" readings at the touchdown, middle, and rollout zones of the runways measured 60, 60, and 60. There was no record of any further treatment or snow removal from the time the runway was opened, until after the accident.

The recorded weather observation at Cleveland, at 1242, included winds from 330 degrees at 19 knots, with gusts to 29 knots, visibility 1/2 statute mile, snow, blowing snow, mist, broken clouds at 1,100 feet, overcast clouds at 1,600 feet, temperature -3 F, dew point -4 F, altimeter 30.07.

At 1251, the weather observation included winds from 330 degrees at 17 knots, gusts to 26 knots, visibility 1/2 statute mile, snow, blowing snow, mist, few clouds at 700 feet, overcast clouds at 1,600 feet, temperature -4 F, dew point -4 F, altimeter 30.07.

At 1259, "Tapley" readings were taken on the runway. The readings varied between 25 and 30 on all sections of the runway.

According to FAA data, runway 6L was 6,800 feet long, 150 feet wide, and had an asphalt surface. The landing threshold for runway 6L was displaced 530 feet.

The cockpit voice recorder and digital flight data recorder have been retained for review.

[Amputate Your Head]

flying rocks....


plus it's the only way I can get home.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
Too bad ultralights don't go far and fast. At least you know you'd have to TRY to crash one of those. =]

Trust me, you dont have try hard

[Fletch XXX]

I love to fly.

The whole thing is kick ass.

I've been fiending to go to Az and do that Lightspeed trick jet shit since I downloaded their videos.

Nothing better, i cant wait to get down there one day and actually do it.

Fucking right.

I love belly rushes, and butterflies involved in free falling and gravity. Its one of the only constants known. The rollercoasters here at Magic Mountain have a few of the most tightly torqued free rolling coasters and i fucking cant get enough. Love the vertical free falls and drops.. the Viper and Superman rule.

love it all. i get hype thinking about it now. fuck.

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/magicm...ides/index.asp

[Fletch XXX]

Nothing beats barrel rolls at 70 + mph.

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/magicm...des/Viper.html

well barrel rolls in a jet would ;)

check the vert.

http://www.sixflags.com/parks/magicm.../superman.html

[Raven]

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
FINALLY went to Vegas for a show and got my ass on a plane for the first time since 1988. Yeah I know - big puss!

Wasn't bad at all though... my consulting client bought the ticket for me before he knew I wouldn't fly so I ended up just letting go of the flying fear and doing it rather than inconvenience the guy.

So anyway... who else avoids flying or really doesn't like it?

At least by the second flight to go home I wasn't nervous about it anymore... that is until DK has to go and tell me about some awful flight he had where the turbulance was so bad it become a pukefest on the plane!

It's not the flying so much..it's the take offs and landings that I hate.....Ativan works quite well....that, and expending all my energy to get those damned wings up and the landing gear down....

I fly anyway...it gets me where I need to go..and I truly don't want the fear of flying to ruin my good times.

Good that you made it to the show.