Absolutely. Your productivity will skyrocket and you will have fun with it too.

yay for sure

I'd rather bang smack than go for a Mac...

The heck does that have anything to do with anything? I guess if you want to play that game, then go to any pro gaming series in the world. NOBODY runs a Mac or IPS monitors. It's all Windows-based machines. Lot of people still run CRTs where speed is all that matters. Don't get me wrong, Macs are nice, but in pro competition it's like brining a Bently to a top fuel drag race.

An iMac is a PC.

Ok, here is the real deal.

Unix is and will always be the best operating system known to man. OSX is a gui on unix. There is absolutely no better way to run a system other than unix, none. Linux is great, but I mean none. Unix > * always and forever.

That said, your obviously a big do-it-yourselfer. I used to be too. I did it all, water-cooled, crazy procs, insane amounts of ram, the coolest fucking mobo on the market. When I went to macs, I kept up the custom pc gig for about 2 years. Eventually I just stopped. Specially when macs went to the one-click windows dual/virutal windows boots.

This is how it is. Apple uses some of the best hardware available on the market in their computers. Sure, in some instances - there is hardware on the market better than what apple is using. However with that said there is no retail computer manufacturer offering it. With apple you get the best hardware that is being used in the retail market. That is the only reason they are more expensive than most retailers (however with your specs, you know $2k for a computer is cheap as all hell).

Now. Since I've gone mac, I upgrade every 12-18 months (as usual, seeing your specs I'm sure you do the same). Apple products keep their value. Literally, it's insane (I just got the iphone4 for $200, and sold my iphone3G the next day on ebay for $213). When I opt in for a new apple computer - I do so soon as they launch a new line. For example, last year I did so with the macbook. Right now my macbook is as powerful as the top of the line macbook pro. This is just how apple does it, when they launch a new version of a product it totally pwns the rest. I'm trailing here though. My point is, in a couple months when apple launches the new macbook pro line, I'll sell my macbook and buy a pro. I'll make up for at least half the price of the new one for the price I'll sell my old one for -- they just keep value like crazy.

Oh, and another great thing about macs. When I but my new one -- they transfer my whole system to the new computer. Because it's unix, and the hardware they've chosen for their operating system - it works that way.

.... Oh, and everyone saying hackintosh is the way to go (building a pc as close to apple specs as possible and installing osx). Fun, and very cool -- try it - it is fun. Not good on a production computer. I did it for two and a half years. Wicked cool, and lots of fun and I had a blast running the system. However it's a timebomb waiting to happen. OSX is simply too structured for the specific hardware lines apple uses.

Yeah, it speaks volumes of the sheep you're talking about.

If you think you can't do something on a PC that can be done on a Mac, for even cheaper, you're mistaken.

Wrong...

Easy for you to say that eh? If you really wanted to prove your point you would have actually provided some evidence to support your opinion. I built my own computers for nearly half my life.

I know what good parts are, and what aren't. The last line of mac pro's used a $900 Intel Server Motherboard. Show me one retailer that had that kind of mobo in their system.

My opinion:

Keep your whitebox. If you really want to try OS X, then dual boot. Your whitebox is better than what you can get with Apple.

I'd recommend going Ubuntu, though.

Don't speak in the now when your examples are in the past.

Show me what you don't believe is in the retail market from another retailer.

nVidia GT330m is the best hardware on the market now?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

1. I said retail, not market. I mean I literally said that you could find better stuff but not retail.

2. I was using the mac pro as the example. Which would be the ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5

3. If you want to use the laptop's vid card as the example. Then show me a retail laptop with better, because even the highest end laptops have almost the exact same video card.

Really? You sure about that?

I've done the dual boot, I've done the osx on custom built pc. And no, ubunu is not better than unix. I do love linux, but it's no where near the system unix is.

Mac Pros STILL use Intel Server mobos. Show me one single retailer with that type of hardware in their system

Your point was to say this instead of actually proving me wrong?

1. Uh, what? Reread what I typed.
2. Lol, even a shitty ibuypower can top the 5770.
3. Toshiba laptops come with 460m GPUs.

Just reformat it and installed games!!

I was trying to give you an opportunity to take your foot out of your mouth. The ATI 5770 is a great tier 2 card, but it's nowhere near the tier 1 class nVidia GTX 285m SLI available in Alienware laptops (among others).

An optioned out MacBook Pro can probably match (and in some cases beat) the performance of my 11" netbook though, I'll give it that much.

For starters, Unix doesn't exist anymore. Lookalikes and clones exist. Also, no one was ever better than the other. It was a matter of preferences based on your needs.

Second point - looking.

It also gets destroyed by the 480s out now

Oh, and pieces of shit HP's come with Intel Xeons.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en...5-3718663.html

You do realize the GTX 285 is an upgrade, so it's a literal "optioned out" video card at that point.

And that same laptop doesn't come with as good of a CPU, and it doesn't have the LED display.

Yeah dude, customize that to the lowest end mac pro and it's 3X as much money ($4,700). You can't just find the cheapest friggin server on hp.com and compare it because it has the same proc.

Thanks, mate, repped!

that's enough computer warage for me. i've done linux, unix, osx, windows, and always owned custom built pc's my whole life (never once owned a retail store bought pc).

i'll take my own opinion over anyone on here any day of the week. night ;)

Why can't I?

You said no other retailer offers Intel server CPUs. I showed you one that does.

You're changing your initial arguments.

Because you can't play games?

what the hell is wrong with u.. MAC? Mac is a horrible outdated system for peoplpe who want to be fashioned and look classy.. nothing like a PC..its like comparing a muscle car with a bmw JEEZ!

yay!!!!!!

I had one for a few weeks, hated it and got rid of it.

I think not!

:arcadefre

Fine dude, by going to Dell's obscure server catalog and optioning out the system. Totally missing the point I was making, and taking what I said to the extreme literal meaning - you win.

...There, you happy? :thumbsup

it's about cost/time/workflow for me...

All I did was go to HP's website, just the same as I did for Apple's.

no

another pc vs mac thread.......

Yes it does still exist actually. Mac OS X Snow Leopard is certified unix, for instance.

OS wars...lol. Amiga ftw!

which half???

Again, UNIX does not exist anymore. They're all clones.

OS X was based off UNIX, but it is NOT UNIX.

"Apple's Mac OS X Leopard has received the stamp of approval as an official unix operating system. The official UNIX 03 certification, which entitled the company to use the Unix brand, came from the Open Group"

And?

Again, it's based off UNIX.

Specifically, it's called Darwin. Darwin is from BSD. BSD is from UNIX when UNIX stopped being free.

University of California at Berkeley was able to use ATT's unix code to create the Berkeley Standard Distribution (BSD). All of the BSD operating systems are direct descendants and are unix. "Historically, BSD has been considered a branch of UNIX?"BSD UNIX", because it shared the initial codebase and design with the original AT&T UNIX operating system."

Linux was a made from scratch clone and I don't consider it a real unix.

Mac OS X is a Unix-like operating system built on technology that had been developed at NeXT through the second half of the 1980s and up until Apple purchased the company in early 1997.

I don't consider Linux real UNIX, either.

iMacs:

- Very high res display? Check. (2560x1440)
- Amazing display? No really, AMAZING display? Check.
- Fast? Check.
- Runs everything a PC does? Check.
- Runs Windows? Check. (But why would you want to? )
- Built-in 802/11 N WiFi? Check.
- Bluetooth? Check!
- Whisper Quiet? Check.
- Wireless Keyboard and Wireless Mouse standard? Check!
- Multi-Touch Mouse? (Think iPhone natural use) Check.
- Built in High quality webcam? Check!
- Built in Microphone and Speakers (that both sound pretty decent?) Check.

There's just nothing to hate and everything to love about these machines. Wireless is particularly nice. I have a single cable coming out of the back of mine, compared to my PC which has 10 Cables. (2 x power, keyboard, mouse, ethernet, monitor data, 2 x speakers, microphone, camera). 10 !!

It's time to evolve pc users. Don't resist the temptation. Come on over. It's ok, its ok.. shhhh... shhhhh... there ya go... one of us...one of us...

The only issue I have with Macs is the price and how pretty they try to make everything.

IMO, cut down on the aesthetics and put it into hardware. Then I'd be a fan.

Oh, and be more compatible, without ||s, for gaming :>

you yourself stated that OS X uses BSD code. BSD is unix. OS X is also certified unix. Therefore your argument is wrong.

God damn man. Stop arguing if you haven't a clue.

UNIX does NOT exist anymore. UNIX is a STANDARD, NOT an OS.

Ok then, what do you call Solaris? A unix-like OS? :1orglaugh

Perhaps it's you that needs to educate yourself before getting into these discussions :winkwink: