Tips For Improving Outbound Prod ?

[garett]

I run http://www.coedcherry.com.

I've been consistently experiencing poor returns from my traffic trades. I've asked my trade partners how my productivity is at their site and sure enough they've told me it's not so good (about 130% usually).

I'm returning between 160% and 180% to some of my better trades. I'd like to get that down to like 125% to 130%.

I use Arrow Trader Extreme.

My average internal productivity is usually between 310% and 320% with my average from trades at around 220%.

My site is usually around 17k - 18k but this weekend it dropped down to 15k.

I'm skimming about 74%.. so 26% of clicks are sent to trades. I use variable skimming so top row of thumbs sends 90% to galleries, second row 80% and so on. So the vast majority of first clicks go to gallery.

I just can't figure out why my productivity sucks so much. I have really good productivity within my site but once I send my surfers to trades they get pissed or something. My trade partners send me really good prod and I can't figure out why the clicks seem to stop at my site.

I only have about 20 trades that are blind trades. I'm wondering if maybe, because my trade script doesn't have so many choices, it ends up sending bad traffic to my better trades ?

Oh and I only get about 10k from trades. I've got about 3k to 4k of bookmarkers each day and another 3k of filtered 404 traffic with a prod around 200%.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been struggling with this for a long time, playing with my skimming and toplsits etc.. I'm all out of ideas now.

[the_wizz]

I set up a trade with your site and one of mine (houseofpussy.net).

I show I've received one hit in from you in the past 24 hours that didn't produce any out clicks (meaning it never clicked on my thumbs...) and I've sent 18 hits back to you in return........ (I have a force of 2 an hour set.

If you wanted to send crap traffic, you've acheived your goal.

Most of my prods are set to 150. Send me good traffic and I'll send you some in kind.....

[garett]

Originally posted by the_wizz
I set up a trade with your site and one of mine (houseofpussy.net).

I show I've received one hit in from you in the past 24 hours that didn't produce any out clicks (meaning it never clicked on my thumbs...) and I've sent 18 hits back to you in return........ (I have a force of 2 an hour set.

If you wanted to send crap traffic, you've acheived your goal.

Most of my prods are set to 150. Send me good traffic and I'll send you some in kind.....

I have all trades disabled by default thanks to cheaters. I did not approve your trade. You signed up and didn't send hardly anything. You need to force a lot more than 2 per hour to get the trade going. I usually force 20 - 30 per hour for 24 hours to get a new trade started up. My largest trades are pushing 2k / day which are still pretty small.

[the_wizz]

Originally posted by garett
I have all trades disabled by default thanks to cheaters. I did not approve your trade. You signed up and didn't send hardly anything. You need to force a lot more than 2 per hour to get the trade going. I usually force 20 - 30 per hour for 24 hours to get a new trade started up. My largest trades are pushing 2k / day which are still pretty small.

I don't even push 20/30 an hour on my big trades.

I upped it to 5.

[garett]

Originally posted by the_wizz
I don't even push 20/30 an hour on my big trades.

I upped it to 5.

Ok I'll restore your trade. But the rules on the sign-up form said a minimum of 300 / day and you were supposed to contact me on ICQ after signing up. That's why I deleted your trade.

I honestly don't care that much about the 300 min. I've got trades lower than that .. but they're productive. As long as the trade is productive and profitable for both sites it's cool. But if people are going to use the sign-up form and then not contact me, I'd like them to force a lot so I can judge the quality of their traffic. You can't tell anything by 18 hits in. And when people sign up and don't force anything I have to wonder if they're a cheater etc.

Anyway thanks for the bumps lol .. does anyone have any suggestions for improving outbound prod ? I'd like to see my outbound prod over 200% to trades that resemble mine... but that's obviously not the case

[ifreesmut]

garett, you have a nice site and it should do well. The only think I can see is that your skimming is set to high. I personally set my at 70% near the top and 60 furthur down. This seems to work for me pretty good.

But I want to comment on this trade business. It just makes me mad when I see webmasters signing up for a trade and then they expect you to force hits to them. I'm not talking about the_wizz here, I am talking about webmasters in general. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting everyone in the same basket, but there are a handfull of scumbags that are so hungry for money, that they will use any method to fuck you.

What gets me even more upset is that even after forcing all kinds to these new trades, some will send in a few hits just to make it look good, and others just simple don't send anything. It almost seems like they sign up to a bunch of trades in hopes of receiving a few hits from every trade they signed up with, and they never intended to send anything back, which means it did not cost them anything. Hey....I see it all the time.

Another thing that makes me laugh, is when webmasters say that they are not returning anything because your traffic is not productive. I just can't understand this reasoning when you have a clean site and are sending out traffic in an honest manner. Maybe some webmasters should ask themselves if their site is up to par. If I send you traffic, it is not up to me to sell your site. I did my job to send you clean traffic, it's up to you to sell your product.

Am I fucked up here. Am I missing something. If so please let me know, because I really don't understand the thinking behind this trading business. I know I do pretty good with most of my trades, but that is because I baby my trades all day. I will reward those that I feel deserve it. The rest will get just my overflow traffic if they are lucky.

[garett]

Originally posted by ifreesmut
Another thing that makes me laugh, is when webmasters say that they are not returning anything because your traffic is not productive. I just can't understand this reasoning when you have a clean site and are sending out traffic in an honest manner. Maybe some webmasters should ask themselves if their site is up to par. If I send you traffic, it is not up to me to sell your site. I did my job to send you clean traffic, it's up to you to sell your product.

Thanks for your comments. Regarding the skimming .. I've played with different skims... I recently figured that I was probably sending too much to galleries .. so that by the time I sent a surfer to a trade he's probably had enough and won't click much. So I skimmed more to trades and less to galleries and things just got worse.

About the not returning because of your prod. You have to understand that if I send you 100 visitors and you send me 100 back .. but your prod is only 50% then I only got 50 clicks out of the 100 surfers that I sent you. In this case I'm wasting traffic on your trade. So if you're sending too much to a trade who's prod is bad then you're not profiting off of the trade.

In my case I'm returning about 160-180% to some of my trades. In all cases the trade is still valuable .. but not as much as it could be. IMO I'm not being an ass about this. I just think that I should be able to grow a trade with a lower return. I'm still willing to send more to my highly productive trades than they send me .. but not 160-180%. I should be able to grow the trade with a return of 125-130%.

[ifreesmut]

Yes I agree with you garett. I set my trades between 130 and 150, and it seems to be more than enough.

As for productivity, I also agree with you. If a trade is constantly sending me unproductive traffic, they will fall into my overflow traffic and then will probably delete the trade. In alot of cases, I will be patient with most trades if I see some kind of effort. For sure, if your traffic is not good for me, it doesn't mean that it will not be good with another trader, and that is when you have to take some kind of decision for that trade.

My point was that if a webmaster does not take care of his or her site, and keeps constantly getting poor productivity from all their trades, well, maybe it's time to change something rather than keep blaming the trades. And then you have those that as simple out their to scam you.

I still don't understand why your site is not doing good. I wish I could help you as you seem to be an honest guy. Just keep playing around with it, and try out some new trades. If I could send you 300 hits a day, I would trade with you, but I know that I cannot, and I don't want to cheat you. Good luck.

[Lifeisawaste]

I think the thumbs are bringing you down. Try to show more closeup faces, I see a lot of bodies. Leave the full bust girls alone and let the flatties show their faces.

My 2 cents, no offence.