high dollar domain - need input

[RadiantX]

For those of you with experience selling/buying domains...

The domain shamrox.com had been used as a webcam toplist and a teen nn tgp for the past eight years. I have it reserved for another 10 years (inluding .net and .org versions).

Well, since the new "Chicago Shamrox" professional lacrosse team was announced earlier this year, popularity in the name has jumped and I've been bombed with requests to sell the domain.

The team offered me $2500, but that was far below the offer of $5000 from someone who owned a web design biz in that name. There is also a couple bar/hotels using the name, and a ton of other athletic teams.

What I was thinking is, the season hasnt even started yet so the team's popularity has not reached its peak.

Should I hold on to it? Im shooting for 10k (Sale price listed as 12k for negotiating room). Or should I jump on the first big offer?


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[~Ray]

sell advertising space to all of those businesses.

[RadiantX]

Very good idea! Thanks.

[~Ray]

Very good idea! Thanks.

how about a very small link at the bottom of the page?

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www.unscripted.com

[Jes]

I'd just let them bid against each other. Tell the lacrosse team about the design company and see if they want to outbid them. Try to get as high as you can without losing your leads. You don't want to come across as not approachable; just keep the game fair and see how high they'll go.

[Boobs]

what Jes said

[JimiJimi]

what are the stats trends and conversions $?

[RadiantX]

Thanks for the input Jes, its definitely a fine line to walk.

Jimi, even though its a PR4 domain, PR and stats are irrelevant. Its a domain only sale (mainstream not adult) and its the name recognition/use that makes it valuable. Stats, trends, and conversions play a bigger role in adult related sites that rely on sponsor sales.


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[dj pussy]

Thanks for the input Jes, its definitely a fine line to walk.

Jimi, even though its a PR4 domain, PR and stats are irrelevant. Its a domain only sale (mainstream not adult) and its the name recognition/use that makes it valuable. Stats, trends, and conversions play a bigger role in adult related sites that rely on sponsor sales.


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the domain PR IS 0 NOT 4.
the "4" is a fake pr ( belog to http://demo.opensourcecms.com/postnuke/admin.php)

fake PR check

[RadiantX]

Interesting. I did at one time have postnuke installed on the domain, but it was a PR4 even before postnuke was installed. Its an 8 yr old domain that at one time had over 500 webcam sites linking back to it (it was a toplist), so I think there is an error somewhere along the line. Ive checked 8 other PR tools and all are consistent. I will have to do some research.... Although as I stated above PR is irrelevant in this case.

Thanks for the tool though, never knew you could "fake" a google pr.

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[Verbal]

You should be seeing steady stream of lot of traffic to that site ... wonder what that might be worth in the long-run. I'd definitely keep it until the season started. They are going to be doing a lot of marketing I'm sure.

[Toker]

For those of you with experience selling/buying domains...

The domain shamrox.com had been used as a webcam toplist and a teen nn tgp for the past eight years. I have it reserved for another 10 years (inluding .net and .org versions).

Well, since the new "Chicago Shamrox" professional lacrosse team was announced earlier this year, popularity in the name has jumped and I've been bombed with requests to sell the domain.

The team offered me $2500, but that was far below the offer of $5000 from someone who owned a web design biz in that name. There is also a couple bar/hotels using the name, and a ton of other athletic teams.

What I was thinking is, the season hasnt even started yet so the team's popularity has not reached its peak.

Should I hold on to it? Im shooting for 10k (Sale price listed as 12k for negotiating room). Or should I jump on the first big offer?


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Do yourself a favor, get back to the $2500 offer and try to talk
them up to $3,500.
If they're set on the $2500 take it and run..
I'm sure they have a TM on Shamrox and
he next thing you know you'll be getting a C & D from one of their
Legal Beagals.
If they want to take you to court over a TM issue you'd lose even
if you won after paying the Legal fees.
Also if you did win in court which you won't there's always the
threat of your Host being served and he'll shut ya down.
Then again there's always ICAN which can also pull the domain..

You're treading on this ice and the spring thaw isn't too far away..
1 More thing $2,500 is a good price on that domain...

[RadiantX]

I already trademarked the name in 2001.

BUT, when you trademark a name, you're reserving it for a specific field of business. For example, I trademarked it under Internet marketing. They probably trademarked the term "Chicago Shamrox" for sports or something similar. A pharmaceutical company actually trademarked the name back in the 1980s, and it had no effect on my federal trademark app. So I'm not worried about that.

I've had 2 offers far over 2500 that I regretfully turned down last month. I like Verbal's advice though, holding on to it until the season starts and popularity rises sounds like a much better idea. I guess its a matter of if you need the money or not. Hold out and take a risk, or take the sure thing and run.

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[Jes]

You might want to hold on to it until /closer/ to the season but once the season starts they won't want it anymore. You can't stop an advertising juggernaut in motion. If they start advertising chicago-shamrox.com everywhere, it'd be almost impossible to get them to change it.

2 cents,
Jes

[JimiJimi]

Thanks for the input Jes, its definitely a fine line to walk.

Jimi, even though its a PR4 domain, PR and stats are irrelevant. Its a domain only sale (mainstream not adult) and its the name recognition/use that makes it valuable. Stats, trends, and conversions play a bigger role in adult related sites that rely on sponsor sales.


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I've used this type of data in domain name negotiations to project the long term earnings and justify my over-valuation of the URL.

[RadiantX]

I've used this type of data in domain name negotiations to project the long term earnings and justify my over-valuation of the URL.

Hey Jimi, yeah man thats great - PR, conversions, trends, traffic, etc. is all good stuff when determining the value of a web site. Glad you use those factors when selling your domains. However this is just a domain name, there is no site. There are no conversion ratios, trends, or even traffic stats. Just a name.

I personally am not a domain guru but Ive been researching on sedo, tdnam, and other misc. domain web sites. Some domains like "gev.com" or "myspacegirls.com" are selling (and getting appraised) at over $100,000. To me, that's a little silly. I don't see how anyone could make a decent return on that kind of investment on a domain name.