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  • AmericanVice
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    • Apr 2007
    • 36

    #1

    HD is a Gimmick

    It is just a gimmick when someone shoots in HD (1080i) and puts out a 480 DVD.

    And frankly, hi def porn is scary looking. IMO it's a marketing angle for the consumer. Most porn is for wanking, and true high def porn gives more than than I want to see. Especially since most porn is shot at close distance.

    Have you noticed that news broadcasts (or the NFL today) that are shot in HD are not using tight close-ups any more? It's because the commentators looked like shit with their make-up, toupees and wrinkles.

    As a corrollary, I have some high-res production stills. Ping me and I'll send you one of Annette Schwarz. You can see all her busted mascara and male/female pubes scattered around from fucking. It's not attractive.

    Keep in mind, anything that's going to be watched on the Internet will be compressed to MPEG4 at best and with less resolution than a DVD.

    Now sports and Discovery Channel -- HD is some cool shit.
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  • cartelcash_roupen
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    • Mar 2007
    • 110

    #2
    Planet Earth rocked in HD ;) I do agree though we shoot everything in HDV and it does not look great when you have it at such a hi res. When we do convert down to 16:9 DVD though the quality is slightly better than just shooting it in SD to begin with. I don't think the bulk of DVD studios will move into hd dvd. The trend seems to be either move onto the internet and make it or find something else to do for money

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    • BOSS1
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      • Sep 2005
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      #3
      But its a gimmick that works thats why I am launching a new exclusive HD site

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      • AmericanVice
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        • Apr 2007
        • 36

        #4
        Originally posted by BOSS1
        But its a gimmick that works thats why I am launching a new exclusive HD site
        Just out of curiousity, what is the resolution and bitrate of your vids?
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        • Mickey Mouse
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          • Apr 2006
          • 104

          #5
          Big Bump! I could not agree more. I'm annoyed by the frequent emails I'm getting from people wanting to know if we use HD cameras. It's not only a gimmick, but I don't believe these HD video cameras are perfected yet. I'll wait a few more years for them to get the bugs out before I invest in HD.

          I was recently in the market for another video camera. I looked into the HD to educate myself and make the best selection on a new camera, but I went with a good quality 3CCD with large chips. For the same price or less I could have easily gotten a HD camera, but I decided on a "perfected" 3CCD (with large chips) instead of a buggy new technology that's all gimmick.

          I'll put up anything we shoot with our quality 3CCDs against something shot with HD any day. Our cameras are better I believe and will perform better. Ok, the HD will be high def, but after we compress the HELL out of that for web display, I think what I shoot will look better. My camera will handle the light better and display the colors better.

          What I should do is buy a HD camera and use it as a webcam. That way we can tell people "Yes, we use HD cameras."

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          • teg0
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            • Jan 2006
            • 4204

            #6
            yeah its marketing more than anything. If most people didn't watch porn with the sound off then we'd probably be marketing the awesome sound quality.

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            • HouseHead
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              • Aug 2003
              • 5539

              #7
              I dont think HD is a gimmick.. See sig, we have some really good HD site.. what fake about them?
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              • AmericanVice
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                • Apr 2007
                • 36

                #8
                Originally posted by Mickey Mouse
                Ok, the HD will be high def, but after we compress the HELL out of that for web display, I think what I shoot will look better. My camera will handle the light better and display the colors better.
                Bingo!!! No point in shooting hi def if you are going to compress the video for Internet.
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                • AmericanVice
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                  • Apr 2007
                  • 36

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Insane Matt
                  I dont think HD is a gimmick.. See sig, we have some really good HD site.. what fake about them?
                  Just checked out your vids.

                  http://www.justlegalbabes.com/traile...inamikeyHD.wmv

                  While the movies are 16:9, you're encoding at 2Mb. So congratulations -- your videos look like any other 2Mb video on the Internet -- you've eliminated all the supposed high definition.

                  My guess is that you'd have to encode at 4Mb, which is prohibitive for several reasons.
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                  • HouseHead
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                    • Aug 2003
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AmericanVice
                    Just checked out your vids.

                    http://www.justlegalbabes.com/traile...inamikeyHD.wmv

                    While the movies are 16:9, you're encoding at 2Mb. So congratulations -- your videos look like any other 2Mb video on the Internet -- you've eliminated all the supposed high definition.

                    My guess is that you'd have to encode at 4Mb, which is prohibitive for several reasons.
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                    • Buzz
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                      • Apr 2004
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by AmericanVice
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                      My guess is that you'd have to encode at 4Mb, which is prohibitive for several reasons.
                      May we hear that reasons?

                      Just curious since we encode our vids at 4mbps

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                      • AmericanVice
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 36

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Buzz
                        May we hear that reasons?

                        Just curious since we encode our vids at 4mbps
                        Congrats on being one of the few guys to have a true HD vid. I checked out your site. It's the real McCoy.

                        The negatives are:

                        1) Your 1 minute file took over 2 minutes to start playing on my 10 Mb connection
                        2) Your 1 minute file is over 32 MB big

                        Bandwidth and file size are the two issues for HD on the Internet. Frankly, it's an issue for cable and satellite as well -- and one that they are struggling with. Both providers are throttling down (using more compression) on less popular channels to free up bandwidth for their HD offerings.
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                        • AaronM
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                          • Oct 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by AmericanVice
                          Bingo!!! No point in shooting hi def if you are going to compress the video for Internet.

                          Actually there's another reason for doing it.

                          A lot of webmasters use screen caps to market sites. HD screen caps are much better than SD screen caps. As for the video itself.....Yeah, you're right.....But there's more to think about than just the video.

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                          • AmericanVice
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 36

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AaronM
                            Actually there's another reason for doing it.

                            A lot of webmasters use screen caps to market sites. HD screen caps are much better than SD screen caps. As for the video itself.....Yeah, you're right.....But there's more to think about than just the video.
                            Touche! Screen grabbing video is a bitch and usually pixelated. I could see how the higher resolution would help that out.
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                            • alexxx
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                              • Aug 2007
                              • 393

                              #15
                              Whats the point of shooting in HD if the dumbfuck who runs the cam is not even able to do the proper white balance... While another dumbfuck will compress a native HD format into flash... Please, bring back that old XL1 from the closet and try first to shoot some apples & oranges...
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                              • kesey
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                                • Feb 2006
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by alexraco
                                Whats the point of shooting in HD if the dumbfuck who runs the cam is not even able to do the proper white balance... While another dumbfuck will compress a native HD format into flash... Please, bring back that old XL1 from the closet and try first to shoot some apples & oranges...
                                Hmm. I can't recall exactly what camera was used for this, it was definitely not HD. It was a Canon, though, XL something. The video is encoded at 1024 kilobits per second and the audio is at 128. I think the cameraman might have even nailed the white balance, whatcha think?

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                                • Dollarmansteve
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                                  • May 2005
                                  • 2849

                                  #17
                                  HD : SD what Color TV : black and white TV

                                  HD is the standard of the future. There will be no SD production in north america 10 years from now. Porn, as usual, is just ahead of the curve.
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                                  • kesey
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                                    • Feb 2006
                                    • 305

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                    HD : SD what Color TV : black and white TV

                                    HD is the standard of the future. There will be no SD production in north america 10 years from now. Porn, as usual, is just ahead of the curve.
                                    Eh, kinda sorta. I mean I believe that's where it's all going, but it's also going handheld, wireless, cellphone iPod, mobile. It'll be really cool to see a two inch HD movie on cellphone.

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                                    • gwkg
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                                      • Dec 2006
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by alexraco
                                      Whats the point of shooting in HD if the dumbfuck who runs the cam is not even able to do the proper white balance... While another dumbfuck will compress a native HD format into flash... Please, bring back that old XL1 from the closet and try first to shoot some apples & oranges...
                                      Thats funny because my friend has an XL1 in his closet he keeps wanting to shoot with.

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                                      • gwkg
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                                        • Dec 2006
                                        • 179

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by kesey
                                        Eh, kinda sorta. I mean I believe that's where it's all going, but it's also going handheld, wireless, cellphone iPod, mobile. It'll be really cool to see a two inch HD movie on cellphone.

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                                        • alexxx
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                                          • Aug 2007
                                          • 393

                                          #21
                                          [QUOTE=kesey;13073257]Hmm. I can't recall exactly what camera was used for this, it was definitely not HD. It was a Canon, though, XL something. The video is encoded at 1024 kilobits per second and the audio is at 128. I think the cameraman might have even nailed the white balance, whatcha think?

                                          Interesting...
                                          white balance ok
                                          general exposure 1 stop over
                                          carefull with them frezzi lamps, especially if the subject is less than 1m from the camera, danger zone 0-50cm...
                                          Usefull when it comes to have decent light in dark areas, but if the subject is sweating, tons of lube/baby oil... you'll end up with orange/yellow - over exposed spots... colored gells or syntetic material to diffuse the light are always a good bet...
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                                          • Buzz
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                                            • Apr 2004
                                            • 1908

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by AmericanVice
                                            Congrats on being one of the few guys to have a true HD vid. I checked out your site. It's the real McCoy.

                                            The negatives are:

                                            1) Your 1 minute file took over 2 minutes to start playing on my 10 Mb connection
                                            2) Your 1 minute file is over 32 MB big

                                            Bandwidth and file size are the two issues for HD on the Internet. Frankly, it's an issue for cable and satellite as well -- and one that they are struggling with. Both providers are throttling down (using more compression) on less popular channels to free up bandwidth for their HD offerings.
                                            Good points
                                            that's why we offer 640x320 resolution wich is 5 times smaller, to suit everybody's needs.

                                            My idea is: if you can offer BIG resolution - you can offer SMALL either, so just give surfer a choice

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                                            • kesey
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                                              • Feb 2006
                                              • 305

                                              #23
                                              [QUOTE=alexraco;13086062]
                                              Originally posted by kesey
                                              Hmm. I can't recall exactly what camera was used for this, it was definitely not HD. It was a Canon, though, XL something. The video is encoded at 1024 kilobits per second and the audio is at 128. I think the cameraman might have even nailed the white balance, whatcha think?

                                              Interesting...
                                              white balance ok
                                              general exposure 1 stop over
                                              carefull with them frezzi lamps, especially if the subject is less than 1m from the camera, danger zone 0-50cm...
                                              Usefull when it comes to have decent light in dark areas, but if the subject is sweating, tons of lube/baby oil... you'll end up with orange/yellow - over exposed spots... colored gells or syntetic material to diffuse the light are always a good bet...

                                              Shit, dude. You're hired. I'm shooting Harmony Rose again next weekend. You live in LA?

                                              PS:
                                              The pussy handshake ONLY works with lots of lube. But spot on about the lighting.

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                                              • Raptor-Designer
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                                                • Aug 2005
                                                • 33

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Buzz
                                                My idea is: if you can offer BIG resolution - you can offer SMALL either, so just give surfer a choice
                                                I agree with you.

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                                                • Angie77
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                                                  • Aug 2007
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                                                  #25
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                                                  • AGS-17
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                                                    • May 2005
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                                                    #26
                                                    HD video nice !!!

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                                                    • limitedcat
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                                                      • Dec 2006
                                                      • 102

                                                      #27
                                                      If you think HD is only a gimmick and not worth it...you have obviously never edited or compressed a bunch of SD and HD footage. HD is the future, it does not matter that it's not TRUE HD. The picture quality and resolution sizes will always be much better. Pretty much every decent paysite is making the transition. Those who wait, will be left behind. And for those of you who think HD shows too much detail??? your in the wrong Biz

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                                                      • divine116
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                                                        • May 2007
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                                                        #28
                                                        I think so, I already noticed that before! Instead of focusing about the show some other things caught my attention!
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                                                        • yahoo-xxx-girls.com
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                                                          • Jul 2006
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                                                          #29
                                                          HD is good for video games with SLI !

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