Dying TGP

[pzelf]

After many years of not being into adult sites, i recently created a BDSM TGP site, and got someone to setup Comus and AT3 lite tradescript.
I bought some traffic to get started, and after the bought traffic died my site was around 11K dayly, its been there for several weeks, but instead of growing, traffic is decreasing with about 1k weekly :-(

Right now im only at 5K dayly, and traffic is still decreasing!
Problem is that i dont know what im doing wrong!?

Im using Comus productivity template, wich is supposed to help traffic grow.
Fist 2 clicks are controlled by Comus, and average productivity in Comus is 250% ( wich isnt so bad i think?)

AT3 is running as tradescript with an average skim of 65% / the very good trades are skimmed 80% ( they send productive traffic so i figure to send these to the galleries more to gain bookmarkers)

Im adding trades regulairly, the site has been up for almost 2 months now and so far i tried about 90 tradepartners.. I got rid of the bad ones, and have an average of 15-20 active trades..

Problem is that AT3 doesnt reward the really good trades ( it sends back to little traffic ( 65 to 85% ) In AT3 average productivity of the complete site ( including notrades/SE ect of 90-110% Wich is really low?)

I really dont know what to do here, if you have any suggestions, please post them, or contact me on ICQ 253 724 898

[Gruntled]

Trades, software, trades, software....

If your traffic is coming, but never returning, you need to look at the content on the site. look at the mainpage as a surfer and ask yourself if you would bookmark it and come back. is there enough going on? arethere new galleries? is every click traded to another site that looks the same as yours?

[DBS.US]

Whats your site link?

[pzelf]

www.bondageserver.net

[Grizzy]

Just a few suugestions on your how to boost trade productivity on your site.

Put your thumbs higher up on your page. On my 1024x768 monitor i cant see your thumbs unless i scroll down. For the average surfer that may be just enough to make em close that window that just popped up and go back to the site they were just at. Get rid of that banner or make it horizontal.

And mabey make the "book mark this page" link bigger and more noticable. That might help you keep some more of your traffic.

Making your thumbs a little bigger couldnt hurt either in my opinion.

[pzelf]

thanks for the tips!

I did plan to make the thumbs larger, i agree they are to small.
Also ill try to move the tumbs up so people dont have to scroll to see them..

If anyone has more tips, please post them!

[Gruntled]

BTW, it's 'daily'.

[badboyyy1974]

I'm just a nobody, but in my oppinion, the problem lies may lie with your setting "Fist 2 clicks are controlled by Comus" ... i suspect that you are referrering to the comus operational control settings called "First Clicks To Gallery, controlled by Comus?" ... which means that the first 2 clicks are being sent to galleries. Which, with a productivity of just 250% is not sustainable.

I'm not a mathametician, but consider this ... if you receive 1000 visitors, with a productivity of 250% then they are generating 2500 clicks ... but comus is sending the first 2 clicks to galleries (ie 2000 clicks to galleries) ... and then of the remaining 500 clicks, your trade script is sending 65% to galleries also (ie an additional 325 clicks).

So, from 2500 clicks, it means 2325 clicks are going to galleries, and leaving only 175 clicks to trades. So your trades must be receiving far less in return than they are sending you.

If you wish to grow, you need to either increase your productivity enourmously (ie. 400% or higher) ... or more easiliy achieved - change your settings, to delogate more clicks to trades (ie. remove the setting of first 2 clicks to galleries). By doing so, with 250% prod and 65% skim, then from 1000 visitors, 1625 clicks would go to galleries and 875 clicks would go to trades. Which is still less than 1000 but much better than your current settings. With a prod of 250%, consider a skim of 60% or 55% and zero first click control.

Experts, am i totally wrong ?

[badboyyy1974]

Can you give us some feedback/update on which settings you decided upon, and what the results have been?
Have you managed to get it back to positive growth?

[VicD]

add your site here http://freepornplaya.com/toplist/index.html
some extra traffic can't hurt

thanks VicD

[pzelf]

Thanks all for your replies and suggestions..

Site is slowly ( but steadyly) growing now :-)
I think you should be a mathametician Badboy, your post did make a lot of sense to me, so i changed settings and let the tradescript handle all the traffic ( skim set 70%) From that point on i could see a change in traffic - more hits were send to trades, so obviosly more traffic comes to my site via the trades..

After a couple of days i decided to remove the top banner as well, wich definately brought an increase of productivity...

The one thing i still cannot understand is the difference in prod values in Comus ( around 270% average) and AT3lite ( around 140-150%)???

This i find very weird! So if anyone has an idea, i sure would be happy to her it!

Thanks again for your replies!

[munki]

Hit me on ICQ... I'm up for a trade.

[badboyyy1974]

hi pzelf,

I've heard many people complaining about differences between the productivity reported by comus vs the productivity reported by their trade scripts. I wonder if its related to comus calculating it based on uniques vs clicks out ... and the trade scripts calculating it on raw vs clicks out. ? i don't know this for sure, but its just a thought.

Having said that, this anomoly would not in any way cause such a huge discrepency that your seeing. 270 vs 150 is too different. Without looking into it deeply, i suspect that neither is accurate, and your true productivity would be slightly higher than the highest of these numbers.

The reason why i say that is because both comus and at3 track the hits in using the inclusion code in the header ... so, so long as the surfer stays long enough to load the header, then most HITS IN should be recorded fairly accurately ... BUT, both comus and at3 can only track HITS OUT if you are linking out via their respective out files.

eg for comus it is ct/cx.php ... any hits that exit your site via any links that do not use this file won't contribute to the calculation of the productivity reported by comus.
for at3 it is at3/out.cgi ... and correspondingly, any hits that exit your site via any links that do not use this file won't contribute to the calculation of the productivity reported by at3.

Now, having said that, i see some links on your page are going out via one of these and not the other, and vice versa ... and there also seem to be some links that are exiting via neither comus nor at3. Are some hardlinks?

And so i suspect that of the productivities that each softwares report - neither would not be totally accurate. But the one that is most accurate would be the one that is used by the highest % of your links out.

My suggestion is: In the comus settings control center, make sure you have the at3 prefix set for both the thumbnail link settings (which you obviously currently have in place) AND the text link settings (which i'm guessing you probably have blank currently).

ie. the way to get a totally accurate productivity reported, is to send as many of your links via at3 as possible. Of course by sending your hardlinks through at3 instead, would likely affect your search engine optimisation, so i don't necessarily recommend it. But i'm mentioning to give an idea of why each of those reported productivities would probably not be accurate for your site currently.

Hope that helps.

[pzelf]

Thanks a lot for your replie!
I do understand what you are saying, but im not understanding exacty what you sugggest i should change!?
I do have some hardlinks on my page, ( but only 4 outgoing links on hardlinkscript)

As for the text and thumb settings in Comus, these are the values in the settings:
/cgi-bin/at3/out.cgi?s=%tshave%&l=thumb&u=
/cgi-bin/at3/out.cgi?s=%tshave%&l=text&u=

I thought this means that both thumbs and text should be going out trough the tradescript!?
The problem is that i dont understand both scripts exactly ( still learning) and had someone else integrate the scripts for me..

Please let me know what you think!?
Thanks again!

[badboyyy1974]

hmm sorry pzelf, my mistake. the first time i visited your site, i clicked on the comus text links at the bottom about 10 times, and didn't get skimmed once, so i assumed it wasn't going through at3. But i am getting skimmed today, so sorry for the advice above.

The way to test if there is an error is to compare the actual statistics in comus and at3 - comparing total hits, uniques and clicks for a 24 hour period. They should be fairly similar but not exact.

Keep in mind that comus calculates prod based on uniques and not raw hits. But at3 doesn't directly report uniques. So, in at3's site totals use the TOTAL IN and multiply it by the UNIQUE % and then use that result with the TOTAL CLICKS to calculate the unique productivity. And this should be similar to the prod reported in comus.

I guess a large difference in productivities may occur if a site is trading with other sites that recycle the same visitors back, and thus creates a low Unique % . Thereby causing comus's prod to be extra high, and at3's prod to be extra low, whilst both being accurate.

I don't know if this is happening with you, but other than that, i'm out of ideas for now.