Why is it....

[shayde]

that bigger sites think they are 'too good' to link smaller sites?

I thought the more your site was linked, the higher your pr was. Is this not true, or is there more to it?

[mortenb]

Think about it.. It is not just about PR.. If they send you 5000 uniques and they only get 25 back, it is going to be a rotten deal for them.. Even with the added PR..

[shayde]

Yay, go them.

But do they remember how it was when they first started?

Then think about the long term.

I know if some big site traded links with me, I'd definately make sure that when I get big (assuming I do) I'm sure as hell gonna remember that one site that helped me out.

[Wiggles]

Originally posted by shayde
Yay, go them.

But do they remember how it was when they first started?

Then think about the long term.

I know if some big site traded links with me, I'd definately make sure that when I get big (assuming I do) I'm sure as hell gonna remember that one site that helped me out.

yeah but why should they work their asses off to make a big site, and some smoe pops up demanding a link without putting a stitch of effort in? Not saying thats what your doing, but you need to work hard to build a big site, not just beg your way to the top.

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

Question: do you ALWAYS give money to the pan-handlers? Not sometimes ... ALWAYS?

What happens if you never get 'big'? How about this: I have a site that receives the grand total of one ... 1 ... hit per day. I want to trade with you. What do you think about it?

I have given away tons of free traffic (I am not joking, I gave many 'newbies' what I could, and lost!) only to see the Webmaster walk to another program. So now what do I do!

We have a few free sites and we do things the normal way ... normal being, we contact other webmasters with similar traffic/quantity and progress from there: ?If you send me X amount of hits, I will reciprocate, if we fall behind a little within the first test period/week, suspend traffic and I will catch up. After that, we can hammer out a new deal for what I am capable of producing."

Make some solid traffic trades, develop a long-term relationship and as your hits or traffic goes up, so should your trade agreement.

In addition, many persons work seven 18?s to get their project up and running, never asking for a hand out but simply looking for what is fair -- I send you 5000 hits, and you reciprocate. If you cannot produce, lower the figure of the trade agreement and catch up or on to the next period, lower the figure.

To answer your question: YES! Most do remember what it was like at the beginning: WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest.

Reinvest every dime made back into the business and back to

WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest

... or do you think we all hunted around looking for charity/hand outs?

I am not trying to be rude, just honest and to the point.

Tell you what, I will send you traffic on one condition: you sign a contract stating you will dedicate ALL you traffic and time to promote 'X' Cash program. Once you become big, you reciprocate by sending all that was sent to you.

Sound fair?

[SinSational]

supposedly linking to too many lower PR sites actual penalizes you. i heard that it is better to link with 10 PR 6 sites than 100 PR2 sites etc.

[shayde]

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
Question: do you ALWAYS give money to the pan-handlers? Not sometimes ... ALWAYS?

Actually, yes. May not be much, but I'm always willing to help out another human being.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. What happens if you never get 'big'?

Then I was never meant to run a website in the first place.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. How about this: I have a site that receives the grand total of one ... 1 ... hit per day. I want to trade with you. What do you think about it?

I'll tell you sure, because I'm just starting out myself, and that I think we can benefit from each other. Even if you can only send me 7 hits in a week.

Hey you never know. Those 7 hits could be repeat visitors who might actually buy stuff from my site.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. I have given away tons of free traffic (I am not joking, I gave many 'newbies' what I could, and lost!) only to see the Webmaster walk to another program. So now what do I do!

I'm sure you've got some kind of connections. Spread the word that he's not a good person to do business with. I'm sure plenty of the webmasters here and on other boards would like to know that kind of informatiom.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. We have a few free sites and we do things the normal way ... normal being, we contact other webmasters with similar traffic/quantity and progress from there: ?If you send me X amount of hits, I will reciprocate, if we fall behind a little within the first test period/week, suspend traffic and I will catch up. After that, we can hammer out a new deal for what I am capable of producing."

Make some solid traffic trades, develop a long-term relationship and as your hits or traffic goes up, so should your trade agreement.

In addition, many persons work seven 18?s to get their project up and running, never asking for a hand out but simply looking for what is fair -- I send you 5000 hits, and you reciprocate. If you cannot produce, lower the figure of the trade agreement and catch up or on to the next period, lower the figure.

To answer your question: YES! Most do remember what it was like at the beginning: WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest.

Reinvest every dime made back into the business and back to

WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK WORK rest

I know how all that feels already. I went and coded a whole layout in valid xhtml and CSS. Then once I was done and I started adding in shit, I started getting stupid not valid comments, and things wouldn't look the same in different browsers. I then scraped the whole layout, and went to a mix of tables and css, and not worrying about validation.

I've also gotten quite a few link exchanges already. Within the first week of my site being live, I've already recieved 10k 'hits', which is a rough estimate based on my referrer script. However many uniques I've had, I don't know because my server stats havent updated since the first. So all in all, I think I'm doing a okay.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. ... or do you think we all hunted around looking for charity/hand outs?

No, just merely a helping hand, because you never know. You could be the one needing a helping hand down the road, and I look back at those who helped me and those who just shrugged their shoulders and thought they were 'too good' to link to my site.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. I am not trying to be rude, just honest and to the point.

I completely understand. I'd probably act the same way if some new guy came to my forums asking a question like I did.

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash. Tell you what, I will send you traffic on one condition: you sign a contract stating you will dedicate ALL you traffic and time to promote 'X' Cash program. Once you become big, you reciprocate by sending all that was sent to you.

Sound fair?

Sounds pretty fair. As long as I'm covering my server/hosting costs, and I have a little extra spending money in my pocket, for a rainy day.

Originally posted by SinSational supposedly linking to too many lower PR sites actual penalizes you. i heard that it is better to link with 10 PR 6 sites than 100 PR2 sites etc.

I've 'heard' that, but I've also 'heard' that google basis your pr on how many site are linking you. Unless you do actual SEO work, noone could really know for sure.

[incredible1]

You can always trade links that may produce cash. Sign up at www.adultpaycenter.com and grab your code and swap with others. We would be glad to swap links, size irrelevant

[Paco, of Large Cash.]

shayde, I am not trying to say 'you are not worth the time ...'
Ask around ... I help more newbies or lower volume/small (sorry, not meant to offend, merely describe) webmasters all the time - I enjoy working with and helping all out. If anything, I sometimes shoot myself in he foot as I ignore the big dogs more (too much barkin/flexin goin on).

I understand the frustrations, but from what I read, it sounds like you believe ALL webmasters that have mass amounts of traffic have serious egos ... not true, many are humble.

I'm sure you've got some kind of connections. Spread the word that he's not a good person to do business with. I'm sure plenty of the webmasters here and on other boards would like to know that kind of informatiom.

NEVER! Unless you are pushing CP or bestiality, I do no such thing.

[shayde]

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
shayde, I am not trying to say 'you are not worth the time ...'
Ask around ... I help more newbies or lower volume/small (sorry, not meant to offend, merely describe) webmasters all the time - I enjoy working with and helping all out. If anything, I sometimes shoot myself in he foot as I ignore the big dogs more (too much barkin/flexin goin on).

I understand the frustrations, but from what I read, it sounds like you believe ALL webmasters that have mass amounts of traffic have serious egos ... not true, many are humble.




NEVER! Unless you are pushing CP or bestiality, I do no such thing.

I never thought you were implying that I wasn't worth the time. In fact, I figured you were doing the complete opposite by replying to this thread.

I wouldn't really say frustrations. Originally I just wanted to know if pr was the only thing webmasters looked for when linking to sites, then I got such a response from you, I just had to comment.

Honestly, I wasn't looking to step on anyones toes. I was just hoping to get insite from a few bigger sites and smaller ones alike.

[FunForOne]

I understand your frustration.


Its the grand conundrum. (sp)

You need high PageRank and lots of traffic to secure trades with big sites.

You need trades with big sites to get high pagerank and lots of traffic.



Its tuff.



Bottom line, you have to figure out a way to get traffic from other sources than just trades.

Dont start a page and sign up for 30 trades and put 30 links on your site. The big dogs will suspend you and you will be wasting precious traffic.

You need a way to get some visitors. One way might be to purchase some text links on the big sites or purchase some traffic.

When you begin, why not only register for a about 4-6 trade partners and make sure you display them prominently on your page. That way you "trade up".

You become as important to them as a bigger site. If your site is getting 5,000 hits a day, send 1,000 to a trade. They will return just as many or more.

You are giving them enough to honor your trade. Slowly, (week by week, or month by month) as traffic grows, add more link trades so that each trade is keeps getting the same amount of visitors.


Thats the best way to grow your site.

[erehwon]

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
Question: do you ALWAYS give money to the pan-handlers? Not sometimes ... ALWAYS?

Unrelated to the matter at hand, No I don't give any money to panhandlers, and here's why...

Many years ago I was working outside sales without the benefit of sales leads, it was all cold-calling and whatever direct mail I did on my own. So this dude wheels up in a busted old wheelchair and asks if a bigshot like me could help a veteran like him get a meal tonight with a few bucks.

I was far from bigshot status, but I still gave him what I had left after buying my bus pass home, and had a cold left over pizza from the night before. I felt good about my good deed for about a week, until I saw this same panhandler walking and loading up his busted up wheelchair into a late model Caddy and get behind the wheel.

I hate to sound like some uptight Republican, but one scammer ruined it for all the panhandlers in downtown Chicago for me. I hate the ones that want a few bucks for something to eat, but shy away when you offer to buy them dinner in a real resturant.

The one that really makes my blood boil is the lady with two kids giving me the bullshit story about not having enough cash to take the bus to the shelter, but won't wait long enough for me to call the shelter for their pickup service.