Mac or PC?

[L-Pink]

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

WOW! This is the exact advise given to me a long long time ago.



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[Amputate Your Head]

So your notebook is not portable anymore when all those devices are connected. Why don't you use a normal desktop computer then?

Why isn't it portable? It takes me 3 seconds to disconnect and toss it in a bag. That's not portable?

[qwe]

That's a fact huh... that's weird because Adobe has never run better than on my Mac. In windows it crashed daily, multiple times. And if there's something out there better than the Adobe Suite, please share.

if it crashes daily on your pc then something's wrong with it or you're a moron.... I had alot of pc's in the last 10 years, no issues other then some faulty hard drives, I even have old ahtlon amd running strong 24/7 for god knows how many years.... I used my buddies brand new mac, and it felt like it's made for grandmas and girls with all this tiny/cute/curvy design, macs are for people who are clueless about computers and how to operate them imo

[Amputate Your Head]

if it crashes daily on your pc then something's wrong with it or you're a moron.... I had alot of pc's in the last 10 years, no issues other then some faulty hard drives, I even have old ahtlon amd running strong 24/7 for god knows how many years.... I used my buddies brand new mac, and it felt like it's made for grandmas and girls with all this tiny/cute/curvy design, macs are for people who are clueless about computers and how to operate them imo

Yeah.... lol

I built custom PCs for 15 years.

[Vick!]

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

I am a PC guy, and I agree with you.

I hear this angle all the time, yet it doesn't bother you that PCs get nailed 24/7 with that crap.

If hackers/virus writers are targeting Windows, may be it tells that PC (Windows basically) is more popular?

Same applies to the available softwares. There are shit load of more developers for Windows than any other OS, including X.

[qwe]

Yeah.... lol

I built custom PCs for 15 years.

I highly doubt that if your abode crashed on your pc machine daily...

[just a punk]

Why isn't it portable? It takes me 3 seconds to disconnect and toss it in a bag. That's not portable?

But it even better if you don't disconnect anything. If you want to move, you just leave the desktop as is, then pick up your notebook to go

[Amputate Your Head]

If hackers/virus writers are targeting Windows, may be it tells that PC (Windows basically) is more popular?

And why is that a good thing again?

Same applies to the available softwares. There are shit load of more developers for Windows than any other OS, including X.

There is nothing I can't do on a Mac that I used to do on Windows. Not one thing. The 3rd party software available today is much more stable & reliable than anything in Windows.

[Amputate Your Head]

I highly doubt that if your abode crashed on your pc machine daily...

Some portion of it did, whether it was PS or Illustrator or DW.... it was always something.

[Amputate Your Head]

But it even better if you don't disconnect anything. If you want to move, you just leave the desktop as is, then pick up your notebook to go

For security reasons I choose not to leave that particular laptop unattended anywhere, ever. Everything else in here is bolted down.

[AlCapone]

That was the exact thing that finally forced me to make the switch. Had a brand new top-of-the-line Dell laptop, 6 months old... keyboard died, had to use an external.... monitor died so had to use an external.... then it stopped booting altogether.... reinstall from scratch, no better.... finally got it running again, (still using external monitor & keyboard) but had to run like 6 different virus/malware scanners, registry "fixers" defraggers & optimizers and on and on and on.... was spending 6 hours of every work day "fixing" my pc. (and not just this Dell lemon, but every PC I ever had was the same way.... endlessly running scanners & "fixers".

One day I snapped and shitcanned the whole fucking works. Bought Macs and never looked at a fucking PC again.

If you aren't visiting sites that might have an auto-installer, downloading shit you shouldn't (or from places you don't trust), or being stupid in your email... There's no reason you should ever get any viruses / malware.

2cents

[natas]

It's a FACT that adobe runs like shit on OS X compared to Windows. (Totally not Apple's fault it's all Adobe)...

I hate these pc vs mac threads, use what works best for you at the end of the day is all

I switched to mac over 2 years ago now and will never go back to pc.
For me Adobe runs waaaay faster on my mac than on my pc of similar power.
Just my experience, might not be the same for other people who knows...

That's a fact huh... that's weird because Adobe has never run better than on my Mac. In windows it crashed daily, multiple times. And if there's something out there better than the Adobe Suite, please share.

yes. this...

What I like best about macs is that you can push the fuck out of them. Open more apps, then more, then more. The thing never falls over.
When I try this on my pc, it slows down, more, and more, then crashes. Reboot, cry, bash desk in frustration. Etc.

[Amputate Your Head]

If you aren't visiting sites that might have an auto-installer, downloading shit you shouldn't (or from places you don't trust), or being stupid in your email... There's no reason you should ever get any viruses / malware.

2cents

Have you visited some of the porn sites out there? All it takes is ONE website to fuck you. It has nothing to do with being stupid. A single bad malware popup or viewing one fucked up email can install that crap on your systems and bring Windows to it's knees. Don't be stupid, you already know this.

[AlCapone]

Gimp + *nix ftw!

[Serge Litehead]

i hear Lynx is the safest internet browser, runs on most OS'es
http://lynx.browser.org/

[AlCapone]

Have you visited some of the porn sites out there? All it takes is ONE website to fuck you. It has nothing to do with being stupid. A single bad malware popup or viewing one fucked up email can install that crap on your systems and bring Windows to it's knees. Don't be stupid, you already know this.

I don't surf porn or sites that I have never heard of, or browse gallery lists. I also don't view email in HTML view or open email from anyone I don't recognize or am expecting an email from, or download pirated software. I just work with the tools I've been using for ages. Outside of working, I sleep, relax and eat pussy.

[just a punk]

For security reasons I choose not to leave that particular laptop unattended anywhere, ever. Everything else in here is bolted down.

http://www.truecrypt.org/

[Amputate Your Head]

http://www.truecrypt.org/

Yeah, I used to use TrueCrypt until '08. No point encrypting your system if the whole system goes missing though. The best security is physical security. And no one's taking shit as long as it's with me.

[tranza]

PC all the way!

[mgtarheels]

Those 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' commercials made people think that Macs are somehow not 'personal computers'. heheh

Mac hardware is different than PC hardware.

[just a punk]

Mac hardware is different than PC hardware.

What exactly part of is different there? Chipset, CPU, RAM, something else?

[mikke]

mac + parallel with windows = almost pc ;)

[Amputate Your Head]

What exactly part of is different there? Chipset, CPU, RAM, something else?

The quality of the components and the processes used to merge them. I've had top-of-the-line PCs and top-of-the-line Macs. The Macs are still running. The PCs are long gone sitting in a landfill. That means something. PCs might be a little cheaper up front, but how many do you need to buy to last as long as one Mac?

[mgtarheels]

What exactly part of is different there? Chipset, CPU, RAM, something else?

It's the kernels, you retard.

[mgtarheels]

The quality of the components and the processes used to merge them. I've had top-of-the-line PCs and top-of-the-line Macs. The Macs are still running. The PCs are long gone sitting in a landfill. That means something. PCs might be a little cheaper up front, but how many do you need to buy to last as long as one Mac?

How long have you had your mac?

The pc I'm typing on I've had for four years now, 0 issues. The PC before this one, was about 5 years.

[Amputate Your Head]

How long have you had your mac?

The pc I'm typing on I've had for four years now, 0 issues. The PC before this one, was about 5 years.

I have one MBP in the kitchen from '07 still running like new. My iMac is from '07. My studio MBP is from '09. The longest I ever had a PC run (before either complete failure or so much degraded that it was useless) was 2 years.

[mgtarheels]

I have one MBP in the kitchen from '07 still running like new. My iMac is from '07. My studio MBP is from '09. The longest I ever had a PC run (before either complete failure or so much degraded that it was useless) was 2 years.

TBH, sounds more like a user issue or just plain bad luck. Ive been working from home for years and have had 0 problems. I don't even turn my PC off at night, I leave several threads running.

[Amputate Your Head]

TBH, sounds more like a user issue or just plain bad luck. Ive been working from home for years and have had 0 problems. I don't even turn my PC off at night, I leave several threads running.

Then I must have had bad luck between 1993 and 2007 (my Windows Era), because as soon as I switched, all my computer problems went away. Every one of them.

[mgtarheels]

Then I must have had bad luck between 1993 and 2007 (my Windows Era), because as soon as I switched, all my computer problems went away. Every one of them.

Must be so. Guess it's a good thing I didn't have you build any PCs for me.

[Amputate Your Head]

Must be so. Guess it's a good thing I didn't have you build any PCs for me.

The custom builds were the most reliable of all, ironically. It was the shelf systems that always failed gloriously. Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc.... all failed. The custom builds just died a slow death from computer age.

[Amputate Your Head]

I have another HP laptop here with Vista on it that's from '05. The battery exploded three years ago so it's permanently on the power cord, and the keyboard only half works... but I haven't turned it on in over a year, so not sure if it'll even boot.

[mgtarheels]

The custom builds were the most reliable of all, ironically. It was the shelf systems that always failed gloriously. Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc.... all failed. The custom builds just died a slow death from computer age.

So, then you just disproved half your argument from earlier. You just turned your argument into quality control of major PC makers vs Apple, and not PC vs Mac, nor PC hardware vs Mac hardware.

[mgtarheels]

I have another HP laptop here with Vista on it that's from '05. The battery exploded three years ago so it's permanently on the power cord, and the keyboard only half works... but I haven't turned it on in over a year, so not sure if it'll even boot.

Your issue there is HP, lol.

I used Vista for a bit, and I never had any issues with it but only used it for about 3 months.

[just a punk]

The quality of the components and the processes used to merge them. I've had top-of-the-line PCs and top-of-the-line Macs.

No that's mot true They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer?

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China

The Macs are still running. The PCs are long gone sitting in a landfill. That means something. PCs might be a little cheaper up front, but how many do you need to buy to last as long as one Mac?

Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC ) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

[mgtarheels]

No that's mot true They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer?

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China



Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC ) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

You're wrong.

[just a punk]

It's the kernels, you retard.

You are idiot, son. The kernels of hardware are:
1) CPU
2) Chipset
3) RAM

That's all. Please stop posting bullshit and learn what computer is.

[Amputate Your Head]

No that's mot true They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer?

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China



Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC ) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

Well then it appears that it's a matter of "what works for you".
Obviously PCs have worked out for you. For me, I'll never touch another one. I think they are cheaply made and Windows is too prone to catastrophe, (all on it's own, no viruses needed).

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....... we're back to where we started.

[just a punk]

You're wrong.

LOL, go to back to the school, boy. PLEASE!

[just a punk]

Well then it appears that it's a matter of "what works for you".

Exactly the same thing as I can say to you You had no issues with Mac but had problems with other brands like HP and Dell. As about me, so I don't use any branded computers except notebooks. The only notebook I had real headaches with was iBook.

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....... we're back to where we started.

We started with what's better for a regular work: desktop or notebook. I still believe that desktop is better and I have mentioned some serious arguments to back it up.

[scarlettcontent]

windows and linux, cant stand mac

[Amputate Your Head]

Exactly the same thing as I can say to you You had no issues with Mac but had problems with other brands like HP and Dell. As about me, so I don't use any branded computers except notebooks. The one notebook I had real headaches with was iBook.



We started with what's better for a regular work: desktop or notebook. I still believe that desktop is better and I have mentioned some serious arguments to back it up.

Well, desktops are still cheaper if you're looking for maximum performance. (low end models you can get a $200 PC laptop now.... disposable.) However... I still prefer having the space on my physical desk rather than a big hulking computer, and I will always opt for the ability to grab the entire system and go with no notice. Just the way I'm wired.

[bronco67]

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

[Amputate Your Head]

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

Wrong. (on just about every count.)

[Serge Litehead]

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

i guess some developers can be non technical and some artists technical) i didn't even mention programmers or artists)
technical are those who can take things apart and put it back together
and then there are those who like just using things without getting into inner workings of things like computers/os/cars/etc.

if a person doesn't know much about computers and os and is asking which one to get and doesn't want to have headaches let them buy a Mac and be worry free and happy that its so shiny that they even never have to dust it off ;)

[bronco67]

Wrong. (on just about every count.)

I know a lot of 3d artists, and almost all of them use PCs. That's a fact.

It's been like that for years. If you're getting into high end animation, you're smarter to go the PC route. There's just more available to you.

The machines are cheaper and usually faster also.

[bronco67]

i guess some developers can be non technical and some artists technical) i didn't even mention programmers or artists)
technical are those who can take things apart and put it back together
and then there are those who like just using things without getting into inner workings of things like computers/os/cars/etc.

if a person doesn't know much about computers and os and is asking which one to get and doesn't want to have headaches let them buy a Mac and be worry free and happy that its so shiny that they even never have to dust it off ;)

I didn't say you were saying one is mutually exclusive of the other, it's just a stereotype that maybe fit back in 1995, but not today. As far as hardware goes, yes a PC is for more technical-minded people. You don't have to take a PC apart during its lifetime, but many PC'ers like to build their own rigs. One thing I've noticed about Mac users I know is that they always have the same system for years, while I constantly update my processor to the latest and fastest.

[Serge Litehead]

I didn't say you were saying one is mutually exclusive of the other, it's just a stereotype that maybe fit back in 1995, but not today. As far as hardware goes, yes a PC is for more technical-minded people. You don't have to take a PC apart during its lifetime, but many PC'ers like to build their own rigs. One thing I've noticed about Mac users I know is that they always have the same system for years, while I constantly update my processor to the latest and fastest.

lol try upgrading iMac ))) good luck with that)

[Amputate Your Head]

I know a lot of 3d artists, and almost all of them use PCs. That's a fact.

It's been like that for years. If you're getting into high end animation, you're smarter to go the PC route. There's just more available to you.

The machines are cheaper and usually faster also.

Sorry, I ran out of time here on that last post, had to take care of something...

but what I was meaning was, yeah it's a stereotype...

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

but it has truth to it. Just for different reasons. Corporate America likes PCs because they don't want to spend money on upgrading their junk. That's why they're still using XP, IE6 and PCs. (Also because PCs are ultra cheap). And guys like me prefer Macs because I don't want to spend my limited time in this world (that I personally think of as valuable), fixing something that should already work as it's supposed to. I'd rather spend that time working or doing something fun. Fixing busted, jacked up PCs does not interest me in the least.

It's not "artists use Macs, offices use PCs" because of the stereotype... the stereotype exists because of the fact that it, for the most part, it just works out that way in nature.

Hollywood uses PCs predominately? News to me. As I understood it, most new movies are being cut & scored in Final Cut. Wasn't Hurt Locker created entirely on Macs? Wasn't Microsoft's own advertising created on Macs? Just saying, the stereotype has teeth. Not across the board of course, nothing is a 100% sweep.

[Amputate Your Head]

lol try upgrading iMac ))) good luck with that)

I just upgraded my iMac last month. Plucked the screen off, yanked the HDD, and dropped in a 1tb drive. Piece of cake.

[JBlack]

Fuck it! I am going with a super stable linux mint host running an xp virtual machine for those SEO apps that refuse to run w wine.

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