CCW Permit...

[AaronM]

Your scenario is as ridiculous as the scenario of Donny playing Rambo to save the neighborhood.

Really?

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

[Deej]

Your scenario is as ridiculous as the scenario of Donny playing Rambo to save the neighborhood.

Exactly my thought. J, we all know your vendetta against Donny. Seriously though... the scenario is bunk.

[Deej]

Really?

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

THats nothing like the scenario laid out...

[Sly]

Really?

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

Uh... ok?

[BigDeanEvans]

Aaron, how many times have you been out in public and a gunman has opened fire on a crowded populace? What are the odds of that happening? The general public is in much greater danger from a pack of paranoid Rambo-survivalist types running around in public with loaded firearms than they are from some 20,000,000 to 1 chance they'll run into psycho randomly spraying bullets in the mall. You think the risks of someone having a gun in their home are GREATER than Bubba tea-partier with a messiah-persecution complex carrying his 9 to the local Arby's?

Also, I'm ex-military. If I'm shooting at you from the distance of my bed to my bedroom door, I'm not going to miss. And if I do, I've got 15 more shots following hot behind the first one. You don't need to be super trained to hit someone from 20 feet away anyway.

A person who never shot a pistol might miss that's why its better to have this..

[baddog]

I'll bet all 16 round you keep in your mag are the same right? Unfortunately the military doesn't teach you any better.

Could you elaborate on this please?

Picture some guys in the gun shop wanting to buy a gun but can't and they hear this idiot bragging having to on him. What stops them to jump him, steel his guns and possibly hurt him and go shoot someone.

To me there is way more chance of this happening to someone flaunting about carrying a gun then Donny having to use it to protect himself from a violent attack

[AaronM]

Exactly my thought. J, we all know your vendetta against Donny. Seriously though... the scenario is bunk.

No, it's really not bunk at all.

Letting the world know you are carrying can generate a few different reactions:

1: If there is somebody who intends harm to others and they know you are packing, you have just painted a target on yourself. People still rob banks that have armed guards, but they typically neutralize that threat.

2: Since not everybody is comfortable around guns, you could inadvertently create a situation that ends up hurting you like 21 days ago when Police murdered a man in a Las Vegas Costco store simply because somebody noticed he was packing and called the cops.

3: Just like on GFY, some people run their mouths in real life. They wanna call you a pussy for carrying a gun in public or whatever. The bottom line is that this creates a challenge situation when no situation needed to be created in the first place.

4: The element of surprise is completely gone. Should you need to use your weapon, you've lost that second or 2 advantage.

All this being said, there are some states that I do not have a CWP for. In those states, I often open carry, when allowed, but I'm very aware of my surroundings and I take extra precautions to limit the visibility of my gun. IE, while standing at a counter I will turn sideways so my gun is under the counter and out of site of those standing around me. I'll also make sure my gun side is towards the inside of a table instead of exposed to the entire restaurant. Etc...

If you're carrying a gun simply to let others know you are carrying a gun, you're a fucking tool and yes, you most likely will end up with trouble.

[stocktrader23]

What city is this?

Shreveport, LA.

[stocktrader23]

You don't need to be super trained to hit someone from 20 feet away anyway.

This is what you would think but nobody can shoot. Don't believe me? Take a cop or thug to the shooting range.

[AaronM]

THats nothing like the scenario laid out...

Mostly because that article is full of lies to cover up the cops fuck ups.

Bottom line is the man was licensed to carry and somebody called the cops on him for it because he was arguing with store management. The cops reacted wrong, put excessive rounds into the man, & killed him.

Big ass cover up ensues.....

Had nobody known he was carrying, he would still be alive.

[CheeseHead Nacho Burger]

Letting the world know you are carrying can generate a few different reactions:

1: If there is somebody who intends harm to others and they know you are packing, you have just painted a target on yourself. People still rob banks that have armed guards, but they typically neutralize that threat.

2: Since not everybody is comfortable around guns, you could inadvertently create a situation that ends up hurting you like 21 days ago when Police murdered a man in a Las Vegas Costco store simply because somebody noticed he was packing and called the cops.

3: Just like on GFY, some people run their mouths in real life. They wanna call you a pussy for carrying a gun in public or whatever. The bottom line is that this creates a challenge situation when no situation needed to be created in the first place.

4: The element of surprise is completely gone. Should you need to use your weapon, you've lost that second or 2 advantage.

And here Aaron makes the arguments for the other side/opinion I mentioned before... but since you ended your post by talking about your own carry habits, I'd say you must think letting people know outweighs the risk of them knowing. Is that correct?

[dig420]

So you question how many times I've been around an unlikely situation by comparing it to another unlikely situation and calling it more dangerous? You're talking out your ass man.

You can protect your bedroom. Congrats. I can protect my entire neighborhood and more if needed.

Being ex-military has fuck all to do with this topic. I'd bet that I can out shoot you, and most any other GFYer, with pretty much any modern gun...And I have no military background. And I'm not talking out my ass. Enough GFYers have been to the range with me to vouch for this. Did I mention that I also build my own gas guns, bolt guns, and 1911's as well as own 2 firearms related businesses?

No, you don't need to be "super trained" to shoot somebody at 20 feet but most people can't consistently hit any vital areas at that distance on stationary targets while standing, let alone hitting moving targets while laying in bed in a dark room and half asleep.

I'll bet all 16 round you keep in your mag are the same right? Unfortunately the military doesn't teach you any better.

What the hell are you talking about? You said you don't carry a gun to avoid a fight, you carry it to resolve some situation where a madman is shooting up some place in public. You also pointed out that people who only have a gun in the house for protection in case of a break-in are more dangerous than these weird-ass survivalist nutballs that carry guns in public. I pointed out that situation one is about as likely as winning the lottery, or less so. Your second hypothesis is just ridiculous.

I shot 38 out of 40 human silhouettes for an expert rating in the US Army. Whether you can shoot better than me or not doesn't really matter, because I can definitely hit some fuck sneaking around in my house, as can just about anyone at close range. I also don't need hollow point cop killers to stop the crackhead who just jimmied my back door.

See, it's shit like that that makes gun fanatics so dangerous. Carrying around a 9 on your ankle and a .45 in your waistband loaded with hollow points, just waiting for somebody to fuck with you. That may not apply to you personally, but it applies to probably about 95% of these guys. They carry those guns in case of road rage. Or in case some black dude disrespects them in a mall. A chickenshit gun nut walking around mad at the world who thinks the govt. and Mexicans are out to get them is just about the most dangerous individual to have walking our streets I can imagine.

[AaronM]

This is what you would think but nobody can shoot. Don't believe me? Take a cop or thug to the shooting range.

Or a group of webmasters.

Most of you fuckers should not be allowed around firearms.

[dig420]

A person who never shot a pistol might miss that's why its better to have this..

Yeah shotguns are best for home defense, but I like keeping my pistol in the drawer right by my head. I don't want to leave a shotgun out on display where I can get to it quick, and I don't want it on a closet shelf in case I DO need to get to it quick. I have a 9mm with 16 rds in the clip, and if I can't take someone out with that, I don't deserve to live lol

[AaronM]

And here Aaron makes the arguments for the other side/opinion I mentioned before... but since you ended your post by talking about your own carry habits, I'd say you must think letting people know outweighs the risk of them knowing. Is that correct?

Not at all. I never intend to let people know and prefer that they never do. I'm always covering my gun with my arm to decrease exposure. I'd prefer that all states honor each others CCW permits.

[Deej]

No, it's really not bunk at all.

Letting the world know you are carrying can generate a few different reactions:

1: If there is somebody who intends harm to others and they know you are packing, you have just painted a target on yourself. People still rob banks that have armed guards, but they typically neutralize that threat.

2: Since not everybody is comfortable around guns, you could inadvertently create a situation that ends up hurting you like 21 days ago when Police murdered a man in a Las Vegas Costco store simply because somebody noticed he was packing and called the cops.

3: Just like on GFY, some people run their mouths in real life. They wanna call you a pussy for carrying a gun in public or whatever. The bottom line is that this creates a challenge situation when no situation needed to be created in the first place.

4: The element of surprise is completely gone. Should you need to use your weapon, you've lost that second or 2 advantage.

All this being said, there are some states that I do not have a CWP for. In those states, I often open carry, when allowed, but I'm very aware of my surroundings and I take extra precautions to limit the visibility of my gun. IE, while standing at a counter I will turn sideways so my gun is under the counter and out of site of those standing around me. I'll also make sure my gun side is towards the inside of a table instead of exposed to the entire restaurant. Etc...

If you're carrying a gun simply to let others know you are carrying a gun, you're a fucking tool and yes, you most likely will end up with trouble.

1. People rob banks for the money and yes they neutralize a threat... thats a plan of success. They didnt enter the bank to go at the guys with guns because they know they have them. I dont see this as the same...

2. Sure they noticed a gun and that may have triggered the cop response and evacuation, but as I read it, the guy was abusing their store and when confronted by police pulled his gun. I believe thats a bit more than just having a gun got him killed. He fucked up big time while having a gun. Probably didnt go through or abide by the training he was offered.

3. If someone finds another as a challenge simply because they are carrying... then youre dealing with a mental issue. If the person carrying is not posing a threat other than having himself armed... then there ideally shouldnt be an problem.

4. lost advantage... right... but again. people reading this arent going to be seeking Donny out... at least id hope not as theyd be giant hypocrites.

I was merely talking about the scenario Jman laid out about having a dude eager for a gun at a gun store eye balling Donny brag about his 2 firearms he now carries.

Obviously you know far more about fireamrs and their contorl, but I was arguing the logic of the comparison.

You wanna duke this out?

[Deej]

Mostly because that article is full of lies to cover up the cops fuck ups.

Bottom line is the man was licensed to carry and somebody called the cops on him for it because he was arguing with store management. The cops reacted wrong, put excessive rounds into the man, & killed him.

Big ass cover up ensues.....

Had nobody known he was carrying, he would still be alive.

well then...

[AaronM]

You also pointed out that people who only have a gun in the house for protection in case of a break-in are more dangerous than these weird-ass survivalist nutballs that carry guns in public.

Um...No, I didn't.

"That may not apply to you personally, but it applies to probably about 95% of these guys."

And I'm not necessarily speaking directly about YOU throughout that post either. Not one thing I have posted is ridiculous but pulling bullshit stats out of your ass that detract from your credibility is.

[AaronM]

Yeah shotguns are best for home defense, but I like keeping my pistol in the drawer right by my head. I don't want to leave a shotgun out on display where I can get to it quick, and I don't want it on a closet shelf in case I DO need to get to it quick. I have a 9mm with 16 rds in the clip, and if I can't take someone out with that, I don't deserve to live lol

So knowing this, you should also know that you can get shotguns that will fit in your nightstand nicely. The Serbu Super Shorty comes to mind and it's around the same price as a good handgun plus the one time cost of the tax stamp.

[Deej]

So knowing this, you should also know that you can get shotguns that will fit in your nightstand nicely. The Serbu Super Shorty comes to mind and it's around the same price as a good handgun plus the one time cost of the tax stamp.

Nice, I dig the flip grip.

[dig420]

Um...No, I didn't.

"That may not apply to you personally, but it applies to probably about 95% of these guys."

And I'm not necessarily speaking directly about YOU throughout that post either. Not one thing I have posted is ridiculous but pulling bullshit stats out of your ass that detract from your credibility is.

I don't need stats to know that some guy who bought the seed bank from the Glenn Beck show to prepare for the coming apocalypse walking around the mall armed to the teeth is a bad thing. And that's who most of these CCW freaks are, walking into restaurants with a loaded sidearm in a holster like Doc Holliday. It's ridiculous.

[dig420]

So knowing this, you should also know that you can get shotguns that will fit in your nightstand nicely. The Serbu Super Shorty comes to mind and it's around the same price as a good handgun plus the one time cost of the tax stamp.

I got a 9mm, I got a pit bull, I got bjj training too although I'm fat and old now. If that's not enough, then I'm never going to feel safe enough. I think I've done what's necessary already lol... Although if I had known about that before I got the handgun it would have definitely been an option.

I can see maybe carrying some Mace or a stun gun in public. Something non-lethal. A loaded gun is overdoing it.

[Deej]

I don't need stats to know that some guy who bought the seed bank from the Glenn Beck show to prepare for the coming apocalypse walking around the mall armed to the teeth is a bad thing. And that's who most of these CCW freaks are, walking into restaurants with a loaded sidearm in a holster like Doc Holliday. It's ridiculous.

completely false... Sure there are those nuts. But far more sane people carry for reasons rather than delusions.

[CheeseHead Nacho Burger]

I don't need stats to know that some guy who bought the seed bank from the Glenn Beck show to prepare for the coming apocalypse walking around the mall armed to the teeth is a bad thing. And that's who most of these CCW freaks are, walking into restaurants with a loaded sidearm in a holster like Doc Holliday. It's ridiculous.

You're obviously very ignorant of real facts, and instead make up your own. In the last 4 months I've had conversations with literally dozens of people who carry concealed. I've known some of them for years and never had a clue they carried. These are conservative little grand mothers, college aged guys and girls, pastors, business owners... normal, everyday people.

[AaronM]

1. People rob banks for the money and yes they neutralize a threat... thats a plan of success. They didnt enter the bank to go at the guys with guns because they know they have them. I dont see this as the same...

2. Sure they noticed a gun and that may have triggered the cop response and evacuation, but as I read it, the guy was abusing their store and when confronted by police pulled his gun. I believe thats a bit more than just having a gun got him killed. He fucked up big time while having a gun. Probably didnt go through or abide by the training he was offered.

3. If someone finds another as a challenge simply because they are carrying... then youre dealing with a mental issue. If the person carrying is not posing a threat other than having himself armed... then there ideally shouldnt be an problem.

4. lost advantage... right... but again. people reading this arent going to be seeking Donny out... at least id hope not as theyd be giant hypocrites.

I was merely talking about the scenario Jman laid out about having a dude eager for a gun at a gun store eye balling Donny brag about his 2 firearms he now carries.

Obviously you know far more about fireamrs and their contorl, but I was arguing the logic of the comparison.

You wanna duke this out?

1: Sorry, I thought we were discussing whether or not announcing to the world that you are carrying a gun is the right thing to do and could potentially cause you problems.

2: The guy was flat out murdered. What you read in that article is lies. Too many eye witnesses with a different story and a video system that just happens to be experiencing "technical difficulties."

3: Agreed, however, see my response to #2.

4: I'm not talking about Donny specifically.

[AaronM]

I don't need stats to know that some guy who bought the seed bank from the Glenn Beck show to prepare for the coming apocalypse walking around the mall armed to the teeth is a bad thing. And that's who most of these CCW freaks are, walking into restaurants with a loaded sidearm in a holster like Doc Holliday. It's ridiculous.

That's your misguided interpretation and opinions, not facts or laws.

[Deej]

1: Sorry, I thought we were discussing whether or not announcing to the world that you are carrying a gun is the right thing to do.

2: The guy was flat out murdered. What you read in that article is lies. Too many eye witnesses with a different story and a video system that just happens to be experiencing "technical difficulties."

3: Agreed, however, see my response to #2.

4: I'm not talking about Donny specifically.

I accept your apology...

[Jman]

Exactly my thought. J, we all know your vendetta against Donny. Seriously though... the scenario is bunk.

It as nothing to do with donny, any Idiot letting the world knows he carries to weapons IS an idiot.

And is this Donny we are talking to, seems to me cheeseburger man been arguing he was not

[Deej]

It as nothing to do with donny, any Idiot letting the world knows he carries to weapons IS an idiot.

And is this Donny we are talking to, seems to me cheeseburger man been arguing he was not

well its obvious he is, so lets get past that, although he didnt say he was or wasnt. Word games. good times...

[dig420]

You're obviously very ignorant of real facts, and instead make up your own. In the last 4 months I've had conversations with literally dozens of people who carry concealed. I've known some of them for years and never had a clue they carried. These are conservative little grand mothers, college aged guys and girls, pastors, business owners... normal, everyday people.

Uh huh. Sure you have. You have a conversation nearly every day - assuming 'dozens' refers to at least three dozen - in the past four months with random people in which they confess to you that they have a pistol in their underwear. Especially little old ladies, they're really well known for being so forthcoming about that. What, are you going to NRA meetings every single day?

Isn't there something in the bible about giving false witness?

[Deej]

Uh huh. Sure you have. You have a conversation nearly every day - assuming 'dozens' refers to at least three dozen - in the past four months with random people in which they confess to you that they have a pistol in their underwear. Especially little old ladies, they're really well known for being so forthcoming about that. What, are you going to NRA meetings every single day?

Isn't there something in the bible about giving false witness?

YOu think little old ladies and school moms and tax accountants and college girls and strippers and church folk and aunt margret arent CCW?

Its just 90% nutjobs waiting to pop a cap on any confrontation?

come on now...

[CheeseHead Nacho Burger]

Uh huh. Sure you have. You have a conversation nearly every day - assuming 'dozens' refers to at least three dozen - in the past four months with random people in which they confess to you that they have a pistol in their underwear. Especially little old ladies, they're really well known for being so forthcoming about that. What, are you going to NRA meetings every single day?

Isn't there something in the bible about giving false witness?

Do you always insist on seeing everything from your own perspective, never considering your perspective might need glasses?

Imagine this, genius:
You live in a smallish community. In that community are a handful of gun stores. Almost every time you visit one, which is pretty regularly, the place is packed so full of people that you must wait for significant amounts of time to be assisted. Now imagine that instead of just standing there silently you actually have conversations with others. And, since you all happen to be in a GUN STORE, one topic of conversation is CCW laws. Now, since aforementioned community is smallish, do you think you might run into people you know? Do you think you might say something like, "Well, Betty! I never took you for the gun owning type! In fact, my preconceived ideas about gun owners sure have been changing these last 4 months!"


Imagine... it's easy if you try.

[AaronM]

Uh huh. Sure you have. You have a conversation nearly every day - assuming 'dozens' refers to at least three dozen - in the past four months with random people in which they confess to you that they have a pistol in their underwear. Especially little old ladies, they're really well known for being so forthcoming about that. What, are you going to NRA meetings every single day?

Isn't there something in the bible about giving false witness?

And if I told you I have had similar conversations?

BTW....Everybody needs an M79 for home protection these days, I suggest you pick one up ASAP. A little too big for the nightstand but it can lean up beside one and still not be "on display."

[Deej]

And if I told you I have had similar conversations?

BTW....Everybody needs an M79 for home protection these days, I suggest you pick one up ASAP. A little too big for the nightstand but it can lean up beside one and still not be "on display."

Is that a fucking grenade launcher?


EDIT - Its the fucking Thumper!

[AaronM]

Is that a fucking grenade launcher?

Indeed, it is.

[Vendzilla]

And if I told you I have had similar conversations?

BTW....Everybody needs an M79 for home protection these days, I suggest you pick one up ASAP. A little too big for the nightstand but it can lean up beside one and still not be "on display."

I qualified on that in the Navy, damn fun with the right ammo

Favorite thing to shoot in the military was the M-14, I really didn't see missing with that


As for how cops shoot, I would agree most can't shoot for shit, I've been to the range when they were qualifying, scary how bad some were
Daughter got a ribbon for the pistol in boot camp, hehe

[AaronM]

I qualified on that in the Navy, damn fun with the right ammo

Favorite thing to shoot in the military was the M-14, I really didn't see missing with that


As for how cops shoot, I would agree most can't shoot for shit, I've been to the range when they were qualifying, scary how bad some were
Daughter got a ribbon for the pistol in boot camp, hehe

I was shooting with 2 US Air Marshals last week. They were practicing drawing and shooting from airplane seats. They need still need more practice.

[Vendzilla]

I was shooting with 2 US Air Marshals last week. They were practicing drawing and shooting from airplane seats. They need still need more practice.

Dad is a member of the Single Action Shooters Society, they're cowboy shooters, they set up all sorts of scenarios to shoot from, I saw one time, they had to shoot while sitting in a bathtub

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

You guys crack me up...

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[BigDeanEvans]

Aaron, how many times have you been out in public and a gunman has opened fire on a crowded populace? What are the odds of that happening? The general public is in much greater danger from a pack of paranoid Rambo-survivalist types running around in public with loaded firearms than they are from some 20,000,000 to 1 chance they'll run into psycho randomly spraying bullets in the mall. You think the risks of someone having a gun in their home are GREATER than Bubba tea-partier with a messiah-persecution complex carrying his 9 to the local Arby's?

Also, I'm ex-military. If I'm shooting at you from the distance of my bed to my bedroom door, I'm not going to miss. And if I do, I've got 15 more shots following hot behind the first one. You don't need to be super trained to hit someone from 20 feet away anyway.

[PenisFace]

...I haz one! Finally showed up in my mailbox today.

Went to get it laminated at Mail Boxes Etc. The kid who did it asked, "Are you carrying now?" "Yep. Two, actually." "Cool!"

Can't help but feel like everyone I meet today somehow knows, despite the concealment holsters.

Cheesehead Nacho Burger was at the mall yesterday, here is an exclusive photograph obtained by PenisFace news.

[Grapesoda]

Pretty decent pricing, too. I just might have to take one or two or nine of those.

why don't you pay tobe off instead?

[stocktrader23]

Or a group of webmasters.

Most of you fuckers should not be allowed around firearms.

AaronM, I can shoot. My dad was a competition shooter in the National Guard and he taught me well. He has plenty of toys now but he also has a concealed carry permit as he desperately needed it for his job.

That said, most cops / thugs can't shoot for shit so I agree with you.

[bdjerk]

shoot yourself with both of them.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

shoot yourself with both of them.

LOL, he would probably shoot his nuts off, if he had any...

Once a cuckold, always a cuckold:



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[Z]

I'm working on getting mine down here in Panama. Gotta get that resident visa first.