Designer warning

[SGS]

Guy calling himself Ironhorse at: http://www.sexymojo.com/ took a 50% deposit off of us for a paysite tour just over a month ago and then fell off the face of the earth. No response either by email or ICQ. Needless to say, the PayPal deposit already wired to him will be charged back.

[SicChild]

argh....people like that give us a bad name.

[SGS]

Yes, not bad... Two in a month...

[SicChild]

I'd recommend not paying up-front anymore. Good designs will also have references for you to check. And you should be able to give the designer references also.

[RFC]

Originally posted by SGS
Guy calling himself Ironhorse at: http://www.sexymojo.com/ took a 50% deposit off of us for a paysite tour just over a month ago and then fell off the face of the earth. No response either by email or ICQ. Needless to say, the PayPal deposit already wired to him will be charged back.

Well, option is not to deposit, but as I'm designer, I have expirience with waiting for my money for about 4 months! It's all in the trust!
Anyway, that Ironhorse sucks in every sense! Compare portfolio and prices! Bollocks...

[TheViper]

Not being paid up front is too much of a risk for the designer SicChild, but paying up front also seems to be a risk for the buyer.....GFY IronHorse, you make designers look bad!

[SGS]

Twice in a month is just too much. We will never pay a deposit again.

[Roald]

I mostly let people pay half before half after, but in the end it's all about trust.

[Mr Cheeks]

yo,
Tib from sexymojo has done a lot of work for me and he was always upfront with me with work status and deadlines. i always paypaled him deposits and never had a problem with him completing the work. i am positive that there is an explanation to all this.
again, he does great work and has always been on target with deadlines.

[flashfreak]

Originally posted by SicChild
I'd recommend not paying up-front anymore. Good designs will also have references for you to check. And you should be able to give the designer references also.

I've been ripped off few times too, so 50% upfront is a must.
If a guy pays a designer 50%upfront and the designer doesn't make his stuff he can make a chargeback but if the designer makes it without upfront payment and he isn't payed he can whistle and dream about his money.... just my

[Snake Doctor]

Ironhorse has been around a long time. I'd be pretty shocked if he just disappeared with the intention of stealing people's deposits.

Hopefully he'll catch wind of this and come clear his name.

[Roald]

Originally posted by flashfreak

I've been ripped of few times too, so 50% upfront is a must.
If a guy pays a designer 50%upfront and the designer doesn't make his stuff he can make a chargeback but if the designer makes it without upfront payment and he isn't payed he can whistle and dream about his money.... just my

True

[eroswebmaster]

I don't know what's up with Tib and can't speak for him, but I will say the last time I did speak to him which has been a few weeks his father was in seriously ill health.

He may be taking care of this...sometimes bad things happen to good people.

[SGS]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I don't know what's up with Tib and can't speak for him, but I will say the last time I did speak to him which has been a few weeks his father was in seriously ill health.

He may be taking care of this...sometimes bad things happen to good people.

Business is business and no response to email or ICQ is just sloppy no matter what the problem is. We just wanted a design not a drama and I am sick of having to have several designers on the go at the same time just to make sure we meet a simple deadline. How hard can it be for fuck sake?

[Lykos]

Hello SGS,may i have a word with u on icq?I would like to ask u something private,Hit me on ICQ#295778036 ,any time u can,thanx in advance....

[SureFire]

I don?t have an adult website that I own and haven?t figured out who to promote in my sig, however, I am tired of ?hearing how I got screwed? from a designer only to find out it is just another webmaster turned to designing too.

SexyMojo/Ironhorse has a solid portfolio and I don?t know him/her but, the work shown on the internet is far more professional than SGS?s post.

As a mainstream designer, I quote a 33% 33% 33% at least I only have to wait three months to get the last payment or let it go as a lost.

Show proof or show tits before you make accusations!

[Undutchable]

I think I know SexyMojo from AWI. My memory tells me that this guy is not someone that fucks others over and I'm almost never wrong about these things.

If it's really his father's (perhaps terminal) illness then you should show some respect. A reputation is a precious thing - a bit of caution with regards to that and perhaps even sympathy never killed anyone.

[HairToStay]

I waited 13 weeks for my work from a designer and paid upfront.

I recently paid for a design and was 'promised' it would take 2 days -- it's now been 5 days with no word from the designer. That one site is totally hanging up the end of another major project.

I told another I needed my work done in a 'week' and it's now been 19 days -- the work is done but his server is down and I can't email him (it bounces) to find out what's up with that.

It's a shame so many damned good designers have no concept of time deadlines.

[sextoyking]

Hi,

Sucks to hear if you had problems with a design company, but if that designer has family issues, better to show some respect and wait for an answer.

99.5% of the time we are always right on sched. with designs, etc. There is times of course that we do fall behind.

thanks

Todd

[SGS]

Originally posted by Undutchable
I think I know SexyMojo from AWI. My memory tells me that this guy is not someone that fucks others over and I'm almost never wrong about these things.

If it's really his father's (perhaps terminal) illness then you should show some respect. A reputation is a precious thing - a bit of caution with regards to that and perhaps even sympathy never killed anyone.

If you have a reputation that matters to you then you don?t drop off the face of the earth for four weeks when you have promised to do something. It?s a matter of showing some respect for your customers. If that?s the way you conduct your business then fine but personally I would advise anyone treated like that to just charge back the deposit and move on to someone a bit more reliable.

[SothArtist]

Its a really difficult situation. I have done complete site designs for people and never been paid. But what Ironhorse did he should have all his fingers broken so he can never designs again.

So it works both ways.

[SGS]

Originally posted by sextoyking
Hi,

Sucks to hear if you had problems with a design company, but if that designer has family issues, better to show some respect and wait for an answer.

99.5% of the time we are always right on sched. with designs, etc. There is times of course that we do fall behind.

thanks

Todd

Some design companies have a very strange business ethic.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by SothArtist
Its a really difficult situation. I have done complete site designs for people and never been paid. But what Ironhorse did he should have all his fingers broken so he can never designs again.

So it works both ways.

Quit pretending as if you've heard both sides of the story.

Anyone can come on this board and make claims, it doesn't make it true.

I know Tib, met him in Vegas and have kept up some contact with him, can't vouch for him 100% but he's a pretty nice guy and did post on this board awhile back that he was having some family health issues.

Give the guy a chance to respond if he can before you start doling out punishments.

[SureFire]

Originally posted by sextoyking
Hi,

Sucks to hear if you had problems with a design company, but if that designer has family issues, better to show some respect and wait for an answer.

99.5% of the time we are always right on sched. with designs, etc. There is times of course that we do fall behind.

thanks

Todd

Sorry I really don't give a fuck!

You just put another designer/company down with out knowing all the facts promoting your biz to a troll!

[SothArtist]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Quit pretending as if you've heard both sides of the story.

Anyone can come on this board and make claims, it doesn't make it true.

I know Tib, met him in Vegas and have kept up some contact with him, can't vouch for him 100% but he's a pretty nice guy and did post on this board awhile back that he was having some family health issues.

Give the guy a chance to respond if he can before you start doling out punishments.

I have never met him and he may be a great guy. But you seem to think its acceptable to take someones money then just dissapear.

If he had said 'I am sorry but because of this or that difficulty I havent been able to fullfil this, here is your money back and here is the name of another designer I would recommend' Thats all it would take.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by SothArtist



I have never met him and he may be a great guy. But you seem to think its acceptable to take someones money then just dissapear.

If he had said 'I am sorry but because of this or that difficulty I havent been able to fullfil this, here is your money back and here is the name of another designer I would recommend' Thats all it would take.

No I don't think it's acceptable for a designer to take someone's money and run...

I also don't think it's acceptable for you to assume you know the facts...

Reread my post...you don't know the WHOLE story...you've only heard ONE side.

[SothArtist]

But you are right I guess. I prolly am being a little harsh. So I do apologise for that

[demented]

I will usually ask people to pay at least half up front if its a rather large order and is a large amount of money. For friends and people I know, I just ask them to pay me after the designs are done. Most people ARE honest and you can usually tell by talking to them for more than 5 minutes. Never been ripped off either "knock on wood"

[sextoyking]

Surefire,

who the fuck are you??

I didn't put anyone down, and I sure don't need business that bad to go around and stomp on someone when they might be down or having problems.

I said better to show some respect for now
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Sorry I really don't give a fuck!

You just put another designer/company down with out knowing all the facts promoting your biz to a troll!

[Snake Doctor]

I'm pretty sure overall designers get screwed out of payment alot more than the other way around.

Originally posted by HairToStay

It's a shame so many damned good designers have no concept of time deadlines.

I agree with you on that one. Either all designers have no concept of time by nature, or, I think what really happens is that if they're honest with you and tell you they have a 4 week backlog, they know that you'll take your business elsewhere to someone who promises to do it quick.
So they tell you what you want to hear regarding a time frame, take your $$$, and then avoid you until the design is done.

It might be good for biz in the short term, but honesty goes a long way in my book. If you're good I expect you to be busy, and I'll be willing to wait because I know I'll get quality.
Lie to me and that's the last $ of mine you'll ever get.

[SureFire]

Originally posted by sextoyking
Surefire,

who the fuck are you??

I didn't put anyone down, and I sure don't need business that bad to go around and stomp on someone when they might be down or having problems.

I said better to show some respect for now
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Sorry I really don't give a fuck!

You just put another designer/company down with out knowing all the facts promoting your biz to a troll!

sextoyking,

JMHO.

[Validus]

Ah the good old days of Free lancing.. However you might spell that.

[Undutchable]

Originally posted by SGS


If you have a reputation that matters to you then you don?t drop off the face of the earth for four weeks when you have promised to do something. It?s a matter of showing some respect for your customers. If that?s the way you conduct your business then fine...

Let's not redirect this to me. I don't miss deadlines, I always reply and I never dodge anyone. But what I do as a designer is my own business. I personally think I owe it to my customers to stay in touch even if times are hard.. But you don't know his situation, things can get really ugly in life sometimes. The fact that he hasn't been in this thread defending himself lets you know that he simply isn't around to answer anyone at all.

I personally think customers deserve more respect like you said, but lately people are very quick to jump to the boards in a conflict. An accusation is made in a few minutes, a reputation is built for years & years. Just something to consider..

[SGS]

Originally posted by Undutchable


Let's not redirect this to me. I don't miss deadlines, I always reply and I never dodge anyone. But what I do as a designer is my own business. I personally think I owe it to my customers to stay in touch even if times are hard.. But you don't know his situation, things can get really ugly in life sometimes. The fact that he hasn't been in this thread defending himself lets you know that he simply isn't around to answer anyone at all.

I personally think customers deserve more respect like you said, but lately people are very quick to jump to the boards in a conflict. An accusation is made in a few minutes, a reputation is built for years & years. Just something to consider..

Not heard a thing from this guy in about four weeks despite our continual attempts to reach him. We have used several excellent designers from this board and other places and these good designers set the standards that we expect. We don?t run our business like a soap opera and I am not interested in dramas. Both a working timescale and a *firm* deadline was agreed in advance of the job. Business is business and I think that any designer, server or pay site owner would expect to be charged back in the same situation.

This is not a problem of a slow job or a missed deadline. This guy has taken payment and disappeared. We understand that people have problems but surely a month without even a word is long enough. It does take many years to build a reputation but taking payment for work and then disappearing without a word gets you one a lot quicker.

[Roald]

K, let me tell you something I had lately.

I made an agreement with some guy to do 3 full paysites for him on wednesday. The next day my girlfriend her grandma dies and I mail this dude about it and hopes he understands that I wasn't able to work on his sites until the next thuesday because of the funeral and all. When I came back that thuesday I got this ICQ message from him saying something like "hey I haven;t heard anything from you anymore so I went to somebody else". So I contact this guy and asks him if he received my mail, and guess what. He didn't receive the email. Now he doesn't want me to do the sites anymore.

This is just an example to show you it happens the other way around too. Maybe Ironhorse tried to contact you too, but failed somehow. I think 4 weeks is a long time and I agree with you beeing affraid he run with the $$, but according to me he is a pretty nice guy.

Lets hope this will be solved pretty soon.

My 2 useless cents

Q.

[SGS]

We have tried to contact him several times over the last few weeks by email, ICQ and also by going through his site. Charging back through PayPal isn?t a decision that we made lightly as we know that this will lock his account. Personally I think that its a problem of reliability rather than any kind of dishonesty but my only consideration that every day that the design was delayed was costing us money and I had no intention of paying for a design twice.

[Ironhorse]

Thanks alchemist for the heads up. There is a very good explanation to my dissappearing as my father fell into a coma, my sister trashed her car and my father ended up dying while on life support. I went through a bit of a breakdown from it all and this is the first time back online since. I feel like a total shit and SGS has all the right to post this kind of thread. I hope I will be able to work things out with you, I will follow shortly with email explanation and a full post. I have been in the industry for 4 years and do not intend to ruin my good standing.

I apologize.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
Thanks alchemist for the heads up. There is a very good explanation to my dissappearing as my father fell into a coma, my sister trashed her car and my father ended up dying while on life support. I went through a bit of a breakdown from it all and this is the first time back online since. I feel like a total shit and SGS has all the right to post this kind of thread. I hope I will be able to work things out with you, I will follow shortly with email explanation and a full post. I have been in the industry for 4 years and do not intend to ruin my good standing.

I apologize.

Damn Tib, I'm so sorry to hear that your father passed.

Anytime you need anything, you've got my icq.

[D_Nell]

Originally posted by SicChild
argh....people like that give us a bad name.

I AGREE

[SGS]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
I feel like a total shit and SGS has all the right to post this kind of thread. I hope I will be able to work things out with you, I will follow shortly with email explanation and a full post. I have been in the industry for 4 years and do not intend to ruin my good standing.

I apologize.

Good and the best way to start rebuilding your rep as far as I am concerned is to wire me my money back I paid you weeks ago.

[Ironhorse]

There is now an explanation post for my absence http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=131136 and I am refunding SGS downpayment shortly so thanks everyone for giving me a chance to explain. There will be further posts about the matter as I don't intend to rob anyone despite people going after my fingers with mallets.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by SGS


Good and the best way to start rebuilding your rep as far as I am concerned is to wire me my money back I paid you weeks ago.

Did you already do a chargeback on the paypal transfer?

[Ironhorse]

You can't do a chargeback on Paypal this late. I will give him a refund as soon as possible, we have already agreed on terms. Paypal cannot just liberally go into your account and withdraw funds without an attempt to have this sorted out between the parties involved. Even so the seller can simply close their account if the funds have already been withdrawn.

Thankfully SGS did not initiate a chargeback, waiting for my reply and we are now working it out.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
You can't do a chargeback on Paypal this late. I will give him a refund as soon as possible, we have already agreed on terms. Paypal cannot just liberally go into your account and withdraw funds without an attempt to have this sorted out between the parties involved. Even so the seller can simply close their account if the funds have already been withdrawn.

Thankfully SGS did not initiate a chargeback, waiting for my reply and we are now working it out.

Don't take that post the wrong way. I was meaning he said in the first post he was going to charge back and then said he wanted a refund. If he had already started to chargeback they would have taken it and you could have been out the money.
Anyway, glad you got it worked out and sorry about the problems you had. Hope everything gets better for you.

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by QuaShe
I mostly let people pay half before half after, but in the end it's all about trust.

who would use you as a designer anyhow? you're atrocious!

[vicki]

I hear ya on the designers *sigh*

I hired one that came highly recommended (at the time) and waited a month just for a preview.

long story short, the preview sucked, excuses made, design instruction ignored ... then she tries to resell me someone ELSE's designs!
Told her to refund the $, she says it worked out well because she just sold the layout to webquest and huster.

Well you guessed it, this was in fact the now infamous Traci Daily and we all know the rest of the story on that.

Hey Traci, if yer out there ... we're still waiting on the refund!

[Nysus]

Hey designers! QuaShe in particular - Who wants to make a huge network of sites for me?? I'll Paypal you $10 upfront and the rest later! ;)

Cheers,
Matt