Something to think about

[Theo]

Which life you consider has more value? The life of an American citizen or the life of an Afghanistan citizen and why?

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[BruceM]

I plead the 5th.

[Amputate Your Head]

This is what you've boiled it all down to?

[Big Ben]

Stupid question.

[Theo]

avoiding answering to the exact question is stupid.

[Amputate Your Head]

That question doesn't deserve an answer.

[FADE19]

What life is more important Soul_Rebels or some Camel over in IRAQ? right now the camel has the lead bud....

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
avoiding answering to the exact question is stupid.

[Theo]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
That question doesn't deserve an answer.

what's your opinion Amputate or you're not willing to express it?

[FetishTemptress]

Who in their right mind puts a Value on ANY HUMAN LIFE or compares the value of one human to the next
I hate what has happened this past week but, I still wouldnt compare the value of any life.
God doesnt even do that so are you implying your greater than He by trying to do so.
Fetish Temptress

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[Theo]

so for you fetish, all human lives worth the same. The life of an Afghanistan worths the same with the life of an American.

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[FADE19]

So I take you consider yourself better than others...that because by the luck of the draw you are who you are and someone else got the shaft and is starving in another country...so that makes you worth more, better, more intelligent...I think not...and by the way the camel is kicking your ass at this point...

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
so for you fetish, all human lives worth the same. The life of an Afghanistan worths the same with the life of an American.

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[Hot Tropical Babes]

You are presenting this question to the wrong people, try bin laden. I believe he prematurely answered your question on Sept 11th.

I think you are just trying to stir people up. are you that bored today?

[Theo]

At least this is what I understood.
Which God? The one that christians believe? There are more than one religions you know and some of them do value human life.

[Hot Tropical Babes]

Why don't you use your boredom to figure out what you can do to help in this time of crisis. You could donate money to the victoms.
You could pray for our nation and leader.
You could support our nation.
There are many more positive things that could be done. oh wait, arent you in Greece?

[FetishTemptress]

Originally posted by Hot Tropical Babes:


I think you are just trying to stir people up. are you that bored today?

Going for the longest thread in my opinion ...
On the flip side...Normal people ask an opinion of a certain subject by also inject or give their own opinion on the subject at hand..Why didnt YOU (SoulRebel) do this when you expect others to?
Fetish Temptress

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[Theo]

Originally posted by FADE19:
So I take you consider yourself better than others...that because by the luck of the draw you are who you are and someone else got the shaft and is starving in another country...so that makes you worth more, better, more intelligent...I think not...and by the way the camel is kicking your ass at this point...

i don't think i said something like that nor someone can assume it for my posts. The problem is that you don't like my question and for different reasons eachother.

[Big Ben]

You know what I'll answer you anyway.
Lets take for example 3 citizens for a compare Afghanistan, Us, Greece.
All are just got born. Do you want to say that any of those babies have the right to live more then other? I think no. The real problem is in education. The babies are like a plasticine you can make from them what ever you want. If afghanistan produces terrorists it should and will face the consequences.

[Theo]

I don't go for the longest thread since I don't find any point on it, but yes I would like to see the opinions of a lot of people.
I got this question from someone that I met today. I'll express my opinion later on although people that know me, even a bit, know the answer.

[Lane]

the value of someone as a person and the value of his/her life are different things for me.

a person might be more valuable than someone else depending on his/her career, intelligence or power.

but while the lives of human beings cannot be compared to anything or to eachother, they have the same value for me.


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[FADE19]

Hey your right you did not give an opinion that's why I gave one for you...you obviously can't form one for yourself, or you would have. So beat it loser...the Camel won
oh...and you might want to break out that "Geek(uhhh..I mean Greek..really ) --> English dictionary" and brush up a little..
i mean you want to explain this one more
time...
"The problem is that you don't like my question and for different reasons eachother"

I mean I know a couple of afgans that speak better than this...oh man!!! does that mean that Soul_Rebel is not as good :O....

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
i don't think i said something like that nor someone can assume it for my posts. The problem is that you don't like my question and for different reasons eachother.

[Theo]

obviously Fetish you don't like me
why? I don't know
I made a question today,it's my 1st topic on this board if I'm right over 2 weeks now although you and many others have open a dozen of new topics. For you I'm the one that is bored and don't do anything.

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[Amputate Your Head]

Alright Soul. Just remember... you asked for it.

"Which life has more value..."

Well, gosh... I don't really know. Which lives are we talking about? Are we talking about Bin Laden's life versus a 3 year old child in daycare somewhere in Iowa?

And what are we basing the merit on? Money? If that's the case, I'd probably have to say Bin Laden's got more value. Are we basing it on a history of evil deeds done? If so, I'd probably go with the 3 year old.

What exactly is your definition of value and where are you getting it from? Value meaning what? Are they both important people? Sure. They're both important to someone somewhere.

Is this based on geographic location? If so, what if they were to switch places? Does that make them different people? I don't think it does. One is still a three year old and the other is a terrorist.

None of this applies? Then what does?

All things being equal between the two, how can ANYONE suggest that one is worth more than the other. But all things are not equal... are they. They never are.

You're asking a question that defines no boundaries and gives no frame of reference with which to objectively evaluate the situation. No person in their right mind would choose one over the other on that broad of a scope. Notice I said 'right mind'.

Still, on a broad scope of things, is one life worth more than another? Sure. I believe so.

But I also believe that it must be guaged on merit. Was Jeffery Dahmer's life worth the same as some broker on Wall Street? No. Why? Because Dahmer's life had no merit whatsoever. He was a freak of nature and civility. Even people with less than optimal merit in life (the prisoners in Portage, WI) could not live with him and ultimately dispatched his worthless ass.

I said that question didn't deserve an answer for a reason. Not because I don't like you. By asking that question, you are asking people to choose between one or the other with zero knowledge of either. Most people simply won't do that.

Nor, should they.

[FADE19]

AMP as good as your post was...it is going to take him days to translate all that....so don't be expecting a response right away

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Alright Soul. Just remember... you asked for it.

"Which life has more value..."

Well, gosh... I don't really know. Which lives are we talking about? Are we talking about Bin Laden's life versus a 3 year old child in daycare somewhere in Iowa?

And what are we basing the merit on? Money? If that's the case, I'd probably have to say Bin Laden's got more value. Are we basing it on a history of evil deeds done? If so, I'd probably go with the 3 year old.

What exactly is your definition of value and where are you getting it from? Value meaning what? Are they both important people? Sure. They're both important to someone somewhere.

Is this based on geographic location? If so, what if they were to switch places? Does that make them different people? I don't think it does. One is still a three year old and the other is a terrorist.

None of this applies? Then what does?

All things being equal between the two, how can ANYONE suggest that one is worth more than the other. But all things are not equal... are they. They never are.

You're asking a question that defines no boundaries and gives no frame of reference with which to objectively evaluate the situation. No person in their right mind would choose one over the other on that broad of a scope. Notice I said 'right mind'.

Still, on a broad scope of things, is one life worth more than another? Sure. I believe so.

But I also believe that it must be guaged on merit. Was Jeffery Dahmer's life worth the same as some broker on Wall Street? No. Why? Because Dahmer's life had no merit whatsoever. He was a freak of nature and civility. Even people with less than optimal merit in life (the prisoners in Portage, WI) could not live with him and ultimately dispatched his worthless ass.

I said that question didn't deserve an answer for a reason. Not because I don't like you. By asking that question, you are asking people to choose between one or the other with zero knowledge of either. Most people simply won't do that.

Nor, should they.

[Theo]

Thanks all of you for your responses.
I don't see a point to continue. My question was about citizens and not terrorists. Some of you have confused these two meanings.
Fade, I'm very sorry I don't speak english like you. Do you speak a language that has a hundred times more words than english? You do speak some Greek words and probably you don't even know it.

Amputate, you gave an answer on my question, so my question deserved an answer. I didn't eliminate anyone to avoid chosing one of the two situations. As I said before, a person I met today asked me this.
I believe that all human lives worth the same. I remind you that my question is reffered to citizens like you and me and not to terrorists.

FADE read the title and act.
I don't like people that when they don't have something to say try to accuse, make jokes or shits on other. I understood what Amputate wrote. But, can you translate me please this?

"Exeis enan poytso ston kolo kai enan sto myalo soy alla den mporeis na to katalabeis"

If you didn't understand, I tell you that it is not something good

Thanks


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[Theo]

Greetings from me. I'm going to continue my work. I'm sorry I didn't create a topic like how to kill B.Laden, which cities we should nuke, how to make Afganistans suffer more.....

[Theo]

Fade, some extra homework for you. Traba tis kolotrixes soy na nioseis antras.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
I remind you that my question is reffered to citizens like you and me and not to terrorists.

You do realize that with this statement comes an inherent acknowledgement of the basis of merit in regard to human life.

By eliminating terrorists from the equation, we have narrowed the scope of evaluation. And why do we eliminate the terrorists? Because their merit in life cannot be compared to that of law abiding citizens, thus making their lives less worthy and incomparable to that of citizens.

You said ALL human life was worth the same. But you just validated my entire argument.

[Theo]

terrorists should not be included in the question in order to have answers independent country laws or states. Amputate, I appreciate that you expressed your opinion and didn't do any stupid comment like Fade. One of the reasons I stayed away from topics all this time is the fact that webmasters with no answers or opinion just accuse others. It's a stupid practise I have learnt not to avoid, but to "kill".

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[Theo]

Btw, I think the word murderers is more suitable than terrorists in our case.
I know the majority of fellow Americans don't feel any fear or terror. I speak with a lot of friends and I know it.

[Theo]

shit, I just saw a topic concerning my friend Snow! Gotta move. I have promised him to participate all the time!

[Amputate Your Head]

Yes, I too find the threshold of intellect displayed throughout GFY's recent history to be somewhat sub-par at various intervals, (my contributions not withstanding)... but if I had to analyze embedded undertones and intention in order to hack out a reasonable perception of a basic response in every single thing I ever read, my head would hurt alot more at night than it already does.

Sometimes it just doesn't matter.

[Theo]

back from snow's topic,

Fetish said before why I don't spend my time thinking ways to help instead posting. I can't say I did a lot of things. The only thing that worth to refer is that i proposed to KC to link paycounter to red cross and later on to give the opportunity to webmasters to donate the money they earn from clicks.

ok, I figured!
Some of the webmasters (included me) have Amateur Pages acccounts where they have stopped using them and there's a gab in order to get paid. I propose to AP to put the same option for webmasters to donate to red cross their money earned for a period. In this way we gain the following:

- money to red cross
- we finally work on some sites in order to cover the gap for the minimum payment, so AP will be able to donate the money.

I know that many of you use AP as one of your primary sponsors and obviously the idea is not suitable for you. But, for the rest lazy bastards like me it can work. Also, in this way AP will gain through time more active webmasters that have stuck in boards and don't do a shit! Everybody happy!

ok,now I'll message Eric to spam Lensman to activate us!

[Theo]

Eric liked the idea, but we have to see what Lensman will say and if it's easy to be done. I don't know a lot about American laws concerning donations and how easy is to be implemented. Sometimes such processes are harder than we think.

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[FetishTemptress]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
back from snow's topic,

Fetish said before why I don't spend my time thinking ways to help instead posting.

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
obviously Fetish you don't like me
why? I don't know


[This message has been edited by Soul_Rebel (edited 09-17-2001).]

I never said any such thing SoulRebel
Why do you assume that I dont like you? I dont even know you. Is it because I didnt respond to your post again last night?
I dont have to explain why but, I will anyway - I wasnt home..I had more important things to do with my time and life.
Fetish Temptress


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[Rose]

Soul_Rebel
You are a moron. During the war innocent lives are lost.
How many "Innocent" german innocent lives
had been lost during WWII? Maybe if the world
didnt waste any "german innocent lives",
We'd be all be speaking german today
and drive VolksWagens

[Gary]

The life of anyone from a 1st world country is far more valueable than a life from a third world country. Sorry, but the truth is, the most succesfull members of the Afghan society will at best become a warlord, the most successful member of western society could change the world.

Anyone who thinks these lives are equal, has been hitting the peace pipe far too often.

[Theo]

Originally posted by Rose:
Soul_Rebel
You are a moron. During the war innocent lives are lost.
How many "Innocent" german innocent lives
had been lost during WWII? Maybe if the world
didnt waste any "german innocent lives",
We'd be all be speaking german today
and drive VolksWagens

thanks for your good words and for you intelligent remark.

[Theo]

Gary, why don't you leave the board and spend more time on the KKK meetings you attend?

Fetish, I said that you don't like me because you said not to do posts and to spend more time on trying to help. This was my 1st topic over two weeks. Check how many topics you have created this week. Perhaps I misunderstood you. If this is the case, I'm glad

Anyway, how do you find my idea for donating money through your sponsor accounts?

[FADE19]

Well what did you expect FOOL! ask a stupid question...get a stupid answer....maybe if you spend more time thinking up somewhat intelligent posts/questions..your responses may be a little nicer!(or not)

[Gary]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
Gary, why don't you leave the board and spend more time on the KKK meetings you attend?

Fetish, I said that you don't like me because you said not to do posts and to spend more time on trying to help. This was my 1st topic over two weeks. Check how many topics you have created this week. Perhaps I misunderstood you. If this is the case, I'm glad

Anyway, how do you find my idea for donating money through your sponsor accounts?

Hey dont get me wrong, an Afghans life is more valuable than your, just not more valuable than mine.

[Theo]

Originally posted by FADE19:
Well what did you expect FOOL! ask a stupid question...get a stupid answer....maybe if you spend more time thinking up somewhat intelligent posts/questions..your responses may be a little nicer!(or not)

glypse moy t'arxidia poytanas gie!


wow, this time I became very rude.

[Rose]

I still think you are a moron

[FADE19]

Say it in english dumb fuck....you don't see me going over to some Greek board asking stupid fucking questions...and then insulting the folks that do answer my post...

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:
glypse moy t'arxidia poytanas gie!


wow, this time I became very rude.

[Theo]

I want to see the responses of others on your post that you consider that the life of an American worths more than the life of an Afghanistan.

When people expressed that they don't want war some of you characterised them as anti-Americans.

FOR ME GARY YOU'RE A FUCKING RACIST.

[Theo]

I don't speak fine english like you do. Sorry, but I can't express my feelings in your native language.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by FADE19:
What life is more important Soul_Rebels or some Camel over in IRAQ? right now the camel has the lead bud....

Camel eh...

[Theo]

come on! Anyone else willing to unhide his racistic feelings? It's the ideal topic, that's why I created for.
Please, feel free

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[FADE19]

At this point I think I insulted the Camel...

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
Camel eh...

[FetishTemptress]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel:

Fetish, I said that you don't like me because you said not to do posts and to spend more time on trying to help. This was my 1st topic over two weeks. Check how many topics you have created this week. Perhaps I misunderstood you. If this is the case, I'm glad

Anyway, how do you find my idea for donating money through your sponsor accounts?

I NEVER SAID THAT TO YOU OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT! I think you should read through the posts again!!
Fetish Temptress



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[Theo]

fetish,your post is edited, so i can't see your original words. Anyway, you said that you didn't say anything not even closed to that and I believe you.